E-M5 Firmware update... V 2.0 today..

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Christophotog OP Forum Member • Posts: 68
Re: Great!

Jasonmon wrote:

Still no focus peaking?

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No... I looked under AF/MF menu and the only focus assist option is still MAGNIFY

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Christophotog OP Forum Member • Posts: 68
Re: E-M5 Firmware update... V 2.0 today..
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baxters wrote:

To select the small target via SCP:
-bring up the SCP
-highlight the focus box and press OK
-press INFO.

Now you can use either the rearmost dial or up/down arrow buttons to cycle thru the focus box choices. The left/right arrows or frontmost dial cycle thru face detect modes.

OK. I selected small target box and get it when it locks focus. But I use touch screen to position the focus box, I get the big target box. Anyone care to explain?

I can see that too.. But I also just tested the same process on my E-M1 and guess what! It does the same thing. Small square focus-point when using the half-press or EVF but large square focus point when using touch focus.

CJ

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mchnz Contributing Member • Posts: 570
Re: E-M5 Firmware update... V 2.0 today..
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Sourze wrote:

Whoah! Fantastic news

With access to lower ISO, does this mean we can also expect a slightly higher dynamic range?

It's marked as an "extension" ISO setting - like the very high ones.  It's only simulated in firmware to make it easier to use fast lenses in bight daylight.  DR will likely be down a bit.  The E-P5 does this, so E-P5 users would have a feel for it.

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Jasonmon Forum Member • Posts: 60
Re: Great!

Christophotog wrote:

Jasonmon wrote:

Still no focus peaking?

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No... I looked under AF/MF menu and the only focus assist option is still MAGNIFY

Not fair... em10, em1 & ep5 has focus peaking. and EM10 is considered as the lower end model of the OMD.

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Sergey Borachev Senior Member • Posts: 3,303
Re: E-M5 Firmware update... V 2.0 today..

Hallelujah!

I hope this means that Olympus does monitor this forum and has heard the numerous complaints about the lack of updates to provide features that have long be available on lower models like the E-PL5 etc.

Let's hope there will be a V 2.1 soon with Focus Peaking.

Olfdee Regular Member • Posts: 124
This update is a joke.
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It makes E-M5 the most retarded function-wise camera in the whole lineup, missing features already introduced (so readily available as source code) on other Oly cameras:

- custom self timer

- auto IS option

- time lapse counter

- adjustable direction of both dials

- focus peaking

as well as it doesn't fix flaws present from the very beginning, like option to assign quick access to bracketing settings to any of Fn buttons.

I'm sure there are other things missing and and I'm not even trying to point to ideas offered by competition...

If this, plus option to buy more expensive kit is all Olympus has to offer to keep E-M5 alive for another year (at least) then well... RIP.

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duartix Veteran Member • Posts: 3,573
Re: E-M5 Firmware update... V 2.0 today..

Sourze wrote:

With access to lower ISO, does this mean we can also expect a slightly higher dynamic range?

As others have said before me, NO.

This should be looked at as if it was a JPEG effect. The base ISO on the camera is still 200, which means that this is nothing more than ISO 200 overexposed by 1 stop.

RAW DR will likely be lower, because the camera will expose more to the right (possibly over the point of clipping) and will leave you with less headroom for recovery of highlights.

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stefano888 Senior Member • Posts: 1,010
Re: E-M5 Firmware update... V 2.0 today..

WOW!!! I like very much the 100 iso thing!
Thank you!

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Olfdee wrote:

It makes E-M5 the most retarded function-wise camera in the whole lineup, missing features already introduced (so readily available as source code) on other Oly cameras:

- custom self timer

- auto IS option

- time lapse counter

- adjustable direction of both dials

- focus peaking

as well as it doesn't fix flaws present from the very beginning, like option to assign quick access to bracketing settings to any of Fn buttons.

I'm sure there are other things missing and and I'm not even trying to point to ideas offered by competition...

If this, plus option to buy more expensive kit is all Olympus has to offer to keep E-M5 alive for another year (at least) then well... RIP.

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Pixnat2
Pixnat2 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,056
Re: Great!

Jasonmon wrote:

Christophotog wrote:

Jasonmon wrote:

Still no focus peaking?

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My Speak Art blog.

No... I looked under AF/MF menu and the only focus assist option is still MAGNIFY

Not fair... em10, em1 & ep5 has focus peaking. and EM10 is considered as the lower end model of the OMD.

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Focus peaking isn't terribly well implemented nor useful in the E-M1. You don't miss a lot.

Olympus should rework this feature to make it fully useable. But that's not a must IMHO.

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Guy Parsons
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LCD touch AF uses Magnify box
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Christophotog wrote:

baxters wrote:

To select the small target via SCP:
-bring up the SCP
-highlight the focus box and press OK
-press INFO.

Now you can use either the rearmost dial or up/down arrow buttons to cycle thru the focus box choices. The left/right arrows or frontmost dial cycle thru face detect modes.

OK. I selected small target box and get it when it locks focus. But I use touch screen to position the focus box, I get the big target box. Anyone care to explain?

I can see that too.. But I also just tested the same process on my E-M1 and guess what! It does the same thing. Small square focus-point when using the half-press or EVF but large square focus point when using touch focus.

CJ

Use Magnify - Info to twiddle the box down to 14x size then the touch focus uses that 14x box. It works that way on my E-PL5.

Regular shutter button AF uses the small box if selected, the screen uses the Magnify box whatever size that was set to.

Regards...... Guy

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AndyPalf Forum Member • Posts: 88
Re: This update is a joke.

Olfdee wrote:

- adjustable direction of both dials

I don't have my E-M5 in front of me as I'm at work, but I thought that you could already change the direction of the 2 control dials? I admit I haven't done it as I was happy with the default direction though.

Great about the firmware. Sorry to sound like a noob idiot but, will this lower ISO equate to genuinely lower ISO or some form of software wizardry that attempts to cheat better IQ at base ISO? i.e. will there be a difference between the previous ISO200 and the new ISO100?

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Ulfric M Douglas Veteran Member • Posts: 4,545
Re: E-M5 Firmware update... V 2.0 today..

Christophotog wrote:

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LOW ISO extension also added....

?? Seriously ??

I'm in the hunt for a used E-M5 if that's the case!

Maybe you Christo could test something for me?

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Re: E-M5 Firmware update... V 2.0 today..

duartix wrote:

Sourze wrote:

With access to lower ISO, does this mean we can also expect a slightly higher dynamic range?

As others have said before me, NO.

This should be looked at as if it was a JPEG effect. The base ISO on the camera is still 200, which means that this is nothing more than ISO 200 overexposed by 1 stop.

RAW DR will likely be lower, because the camera will expose more to the right (possibly over the point of clipping) and will leave you with less headroom for recovery of highlights.

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Can someone explain the updates more clearly? Maybe I'm just not understanding it completely.

I don't get the concept of the "overexposed" ISO200 by 1 stop. Wouldn't that mean it looks like ISO400?

And the smaller focus box, is it smaller than the 14x you can already set for the AF focus point, as well as the 14x magnification? Does it just change the autofocus area to smaller boxes covering the same AF area as before?

And how about some examples showing the differences with the ISO100 and ISO200, with subsequent edits where you bring down overexposed highlights or bring up underexposed shadows in each to see which holds up better.

Thomas Niemann Veteran Member • Posts: 4,335
A few things explained
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Two new features were included in the firmware update: ISO 100 and small focus points.

ISO 100. In the ISO menu you'll notice ISO 100 is marked as LOW and ISO 200 is Recommended. This indicates that ISO 100 is actually ISO 200 over-exposed by one stop. For example, if the ISO 200 exposure was 1/100 @ f/4, and you shot it at 1/50 instead, you would be over-exposing by one stop. And 1/50 @ f/4 would be the proper exposure for ISO 100. The result would be highlight clipping and less dynamic range because ISO 200 is the optimal ISO for the sensor. As a benefit, shadows would receive more exposure and, consequently, less noise.

Small focus points. To implement this feature, do the following:

1. Click the left arrow on the control wheel to bring up focus points

2. Click on the Info button

3. Click the up/down arrows on the control wheel to select a smaller focus point

A very nice addition!

Ulfric M Douglas Veteran Member • Posts: 4,545
Re: E-M5 Firmware update... V 2.0 today..

Heyseuss Hoolio wrote:

duartix wrote:

Sourze wrote:

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Can someone explain the updates more clearly? Maybe I'm just not understanding it completely.

I don't get the concept of the "overexposed" ISO200 by 1 stop. Wouldn't that mean it looks like ISO400?...

A RAW file at ISO200, overexposed by 1 stop looks like an overexposed ISO200 RAW file,

BUT

A 'fake' ISO100 Jpeg will be that same overexposed ISO200 RAW file but using the darker end of the exposure information ... making it look correctly exposed for ISO100.

I use it all the time in daylight with my older Olympii.

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Re: E-M5 Firmware update... V 2.0 today..

Ulfric M Douglas wrote:

Heyseuss Hoolio wrote:

duartix wrote:

Sourze wrote:

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Can someone explain the updates more clearly? Maybe I'm just not understanding it completely.

I don't get the concept of the "overexposed" ISO200 by 1 stop. Wouldn't that mean it looks like ISO400?...

A RAW file at ISO200, overexposed by 1 stop looks like an overexposed ISO200 RAW file,

BUT

A 'fake' ISO100 Jpeg will be that same overexposed ISO200 RAW file but using the darker end of the exposure information ... making it look correctly exposed for ISO100.

I use it all the time in daylight with my older Olympii.

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Cheksa wrote:
You're evil Ulfric.

Okay thanks for the answers to all that answered, I understand now how the overexposed ISO200 would be.

So...has this been verified what it actually does?  How does the new ISO100 RAW file look?  Does it look like an over exposed ISO200 file, or is the RAW file brought down in the camera then presented as a RAW ISO100 file?

reygon Senior Member • Posts: 2,036
Re: A few things explained

Thomas Niemann wrote:

Two new features were included in the firmware update: ISO 100 and small focus points.

ISO 100. In the ISO menu you'll notice ISO 100 is marked as LOW and ISO 200 is Recommended. This indicates that ISO 100 is actually ISO 200 over-exposed by one stop. For example, if the ISO 200 exposure was 1/100 @ f/4, and you shot it at 1/50 instead, you would be over-exposing by one stop. And 1/50 @ f/4 would be the proper exposure for ISO 100. The result would be highlight clipping and less dynamic range because ISO 200 is the optimal ISO for the sensor. As a benefit, shadows would receive more exposure and, consequently, less noise.

Small focus points. To implement this feature, do the following:

1. Click the left arrow on the control wheel to bring up focus points

2. Click on the Info button

3. Click the up/down arrows on the control wheel to select a smaller focus point

A very nice addition!

Thanks Thomas. The small focus point will be very useful!

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texinwien Senior Member • Posts: 3,320
Incorrect

Kelpie wrote:

The base iso of the Em-5 is 200 highest dynamic range should remain there, I believe

The base ISO setting on the E-M5 is 200, but the actual (sensor saturation) base ISO (according to DXO) is 107.

We'll have to test it to be sure, but if it's anything like other recent models (GX7, E-M1, etc.), the new LOW setting will be like setting ISO 100 (or thereabouts) for an actual ISO of 107, so, not really an extended setting, and no loss of DR.

JPEG shooters will have to be more careful about clipping highlights, but they should still have just as much DR as the old ISO 200, assuming this LOW ISO setting is implemented like it has been in other recent m43 cameras.

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Christophotog OP Forum Member • Posts: 68
Re: E-M5 Firmware update... V 2.0 today..

Ulfric M Douglas wrote:

Christophotog wrote:

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LOW ISO extension also added....

?? Seriously ??

I'm in the hunt for a used E-M5 if that's the case!

Maybe you Christo could test something for me?

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No, sorry, its night time here, LOW ISO isn't useful in the dark.

I don't know if it will be useful in the daylight either but I do know I haven't used f1.8 very often in bright light with shutter limitted @ 1/4000th without overexposing. CJ

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