X-T1 looks great but.....

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why did they put that same old sensor in it, they really should have developed an update 21 or 24mp sensor, I wouldn't buy an X-T1 because the sensor is likely to be replaced with in a year.

This is no different to the Nikon DF using the same sensor as the D4, the D4 sensor isn't great and caused many Nikon users to switch over to Canon

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In reply to LWS2013, 9 months ago

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why did they put that same old sensor in it, they really should have developed an update 21 or 24mp sensor, I wouldn't buy an X-T1 because the sensor is likely to be replaced with in a year.

This is no different to the Nikon DF using the same sensor as the D4, the D4 sensor isn't great and caused many Nikon users to switch over to Canon

Why do you want more MP? Do you crop by 200% regularly?

See this thread below. An x100s shot ( same 16mp sensor ) was printed to a size of 80 feet /24metres.

It covered the side of a museum.

Here: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52837127

It was "only" 16mp.

Do you just think that a big number is better than a smaller number?

Why do you think more MP is better?  Or maybe you just don't know what you are talking about?  

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LWS2013 wrote:

why did they put that same old sensor in it, they really should have developed an update 21 or 24mp sensor, I wouldn't buy an X-T1 because the sensor is likely to be replaced with in a year.

This is no different to the Nikon DF using the same sensor as the D4, the D4 sensor isn't great and caused many Nikon users to switch over to Canon

This really wasn't a surprise to you, was it? The intel on this camera has stated all along that it was the same sensor as the X100S and X-E2. I too want a 24MP Fuji with the same ISO performance as their current camera and already own the X100S and X-E2, so I will probably sit this one out, as I don't necessarily need the extra frame rate or weather sealing at this point.

The current 16MP Fuji X sensor is excellent and they have done a great job on their lense lineup so far, so I feel Fuji is headed in a great direction.  I think they need to direct some focus to their lighting system now.

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This camera just knocked any thoughts I have had about M4/3. Few cameras have enthused me like this one. Well maybe the XE2 but this one has what I have been looking for.

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topstuff wrote:

LWS2013 wrote:

why did they put that same old sensor in it, they really should have developed an update 21 or 24mp sensor, I wouldn't buy an X-T1 because the sensor is likely to be replaced with in a year.

This is no different to the Nikon DF using the same sensor as the D4, the D4 sensor isn't great and caused many Nikon users to switch over to Canon

Why do you want more MP? Do you crop by 200% regularly?

See this thread below. An x100s shot ( same 16mp sensor ) was printed to a size of 80 feet /24metres.

It covered the side of a museum.

Here: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52837127

It was "only" 16mp.

Do you just think that a big number is better than a smaller number?

Why do you think more MP is better? Or maybe you just don't know what you are talking about?

Actually, this was a pretty rude response.  Perhaps you should check yourself.

24MP would allow some additional cropping/frame adjustment for when you are printing 20x30 or larger, which is what I do for landscape prints.  It would also provide a finer level of detail for larger prints without cropping.

You can't compare an 80 foot banner viewed from hundreds of feet away to a landscape print hanging on a wall two feet in front of you.  It's all about use case.

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LWS2013 wrote:

why did they put that same old sensor in it, they really should have developed an update 21 or 24mp sensor, I wouldn't buy an X-T1 because the sensor is likely to be replaced with in a year.

This is no different to the Nikon DF using the same sensor as the D4, the D4 sensor isn't great

WHAT!?!?! You are kidding, right?

and caused many Nikon users to switch over to Canon

Can you show me a link to this info? I think you are making it up.

In any case, the X-Trans is the best Fuji have at present. Why should they wait to make a better camera? When they have a better sensor, they will put it in a new body.

You know you don't HAVE to buy the X-T1.

I am sure Fuji is working on improving their sensor, just like everyone else (only more innovative).

For me I have yet to see a 24mp APS-C sensor that retains good color (and low noise) at high ISO. It simply doesn't exist.

16mp APS-C equals 36mp FF in pixel density.

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LWS2013 wrote:

why did they put that same old sensor in it, they really should have developed an update 21 or 24mp sensor, I wouldn't buy an X-T1 because the sensor is likely to be replaced with in a year.

This is no different to the Nikon DF using the same sensor as the D4, the D4 sensor isn't great and caused many Nikon users to switch over to Canon

You probably have to wait for next generation x-pro for that. Remember fuji said pro range is still the flagship? I guess when they have a new sensor, they will probably put it in the next pro model.

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There will always be people who want more. Meh...Personally I think 16mp if totally fine, and more mp was the absolute last thing on my wish list for this camera.

All I want is AF speed to match my Olympus E5 which although old is outstanding. I would also like off camera TTL flash control. Anyone know if thats happening?

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David V wrote:

topstuff wrote:

LWS2013 wrote:

why did they put that same old sensor in it, they really should have developed an update 21 or 24mp sensor, I wouldn't buy an X-T1 because the sensor is likely to be replaced with in a year.

This is no different to the Nikon DF using the same sensor as the D4, the D4 sensor isn't great and caused many Nikon users to switch over to Canon

Why do you want more MP? Do you crop by 200% regularly?

See this thread below. An x100s shot ( same 16mp sensor ) was printed to a size of 80 feet /24metres.

It covered the side of a museum.

Here: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52837127

It was "only" 16mp.

Do you just think that a big number is better than a smaller number?

Why do you think more MP is better? Or maybe you just don't know what you are talking about?

Actually, this was a pretty rude response. Perhaps you should check yourself.

24MP would allow some additional cropping/frame adjustment for when you are printing 20x30 or larger, which is what I do for landscape prints. It would also provide a finer level of detail for larger prints without cropping.

You can't compare an 80 foot banner viewed from hundreds of feet away to a landscape print hanging on a wall two feet in front of you. It's all about use case.

There is always a 36mp D800e. Not being cheeky, but if ultimate image quality and detail is important (and you cant afford a MF 80mp back) maybe APS-C is not the right tool.

24mp APS-C might give you more room to crop, but you'll sacrifice color fidelity and dynamic range.

Is it worth it?

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In reply to LWS2013, 9 months ago

why did they put that same old sensor in it, they really should have developed an update 21 or 24mp sensor, I wouldn't buy an X-T1 because the sensor is likely to be replaced with in a year.

This is no different to the Nikon DF using the same sensor as the D4, the D4 sensor isn't great and caused many Nikon users to switch over to Canon

The D4 sensor is not great? OMG... Who said that? I have a DF and is an amazing sensor, also never read about people complaining about the D4 sensor, it's always been the other way around.
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bigpigbig wrote:

David V wrote:

topstuff wrote:

LWS2013 wrote:

why did they put that same old sensor in it, they really should have developed an update 21 or 24mp sensor, I wouldn't buy an X-T1 because the sensor is likely to be replaced with in a year.

This is no different to the Nikon DF using the same sensor as the D4, the D4 sensor isn't great and caused many Nikon users to switch over to Canon

Why do you want more MP? Do you crop by 200% regularly?

See this thread below. An x100s shot ( same 16mp sensor ) was printed to a size of 80 feet /24metres.

It covered the side of a museum.

Here: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52837127

It was "only" 16mp.

Do you just think that a big number is better than a smaller number?

Why do you think more MP is better? Or maybe you just don't know what you are talking about?

Actually, this was a pretty rude response. Perhaps you should check yourself.

24MP would allow some additional cropping/frame adjustment for when you are printing 20x30 or larger, which is what I do for landscape prints. It would also provide a finer level of detail for larger prints without cropping.

You can't compare an 80 foot banner viewed from hundreds of feet away to a landscape print hanging on a wall two feet in front of you. It's all about use case.

There is always a 36mp D800e. Not being cheeky, but if ultimate image quality and detail is important (and you cant afford a MF 80mp back) maybe APS-C is not the right tool.

24mp APS-C might give you more room to crop, but you'll sacrifice color fidelity and dynamic range.

Is it worth it?

Did you actually read any of the thread or my post prior to the one you quoted?  I think you missed my point and the point of my response to topstuff.

I own a D800 and full lineup of Pro Nikon glass. For me, a 24MP Fuji would do the job for my large landscape prints, which is why I am sticking with my X100S and my X-E2 for now and my D800 for when I need larger prints.

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In reply to LWS2013, 9 months ago

why did they put that same old sensor in it, they really should have developed an update 21 or 24mp sensor, I wouldn't buy an X-T1 because the sensor is likely to be replaced with in a year.

This is no different to the Nikon DF using the same sensor as the D4, the D4 sensor isn't great and caused many Nikon users to switch over to Canon

That "same old sensor" is still the best APS-C sensor for all round performance. All you have to do is look at the Pentax SLR forum where there are many discussions on whether the K3's 24mp sensor offers enough of an advantage over the K5IIs' s 16mp sensor to make up for its shortcomings.

I think technology needs to advance before we'll see a 20+mp sensor that offers the DR and high ISO performance of the 16mp sensor and I for one am pleased to see that Fuji aren't offering an inferior sensor just to have a prettier spec sheet.

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it it sure looks great. I'm not buying though as he Xpro1 is still serving me well. Plus, the I'm waiting for that significant improvement in image quality. Not incremental improvement.

The extra ISO dial is fantastic. External dials are why I got into the Fuji system. Their handling for shooting is great, just that the software part could do a bit better, and hopefully with the XT1 it will.

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David V wrote:

topstuff wrote:

LWS2013 wrote:

why did they put that same old sensor in it, they really should have developed an update 21 or 24mp sensor, I wouldn't buy an X-T1 because the sensor is likely to be replaced with in a year.

This is no different to the Nikon DF using the same sensor as the D4, the D4 sensor isn't great and caused many Nikon users to switch over to Canon

Why do you want more MP? Do you crop by 200% regularly?

See this thread below. An x100s shot ( same 16mp sensor ) was printed to a size of 80 feet /24metres.

It covered the side of a museum.

Here: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52837127

It was "only" 16mp.

Do you just think that a big number is better than a smaller number?

Why do you think more MP is better? Or maybe you just don't know what you are talking about?

Actually, this was a pretty rude response. Perhaps you should check yourself.

24MP would allow some additional cropping/frame adjustment for when you are printing 20x30 or larger, which is what I do for landscape prints. It would also provide a finer level of detail for larger prints without cropping.

You can't compare an 80 foot banner viewed from hundreds of feet away to a landscape print hanging on a wall two feet in front of you. It's all about use case.

Well the Op started it by posting a silly thread.  First off, the D4 sensor is generally acclaimed by the industry as being excellent and many, many, many pros are very happy with it.   Saying silly things about the D4 is simply inflammatory nonsense and deserves to be treated as such.

Secondly, it is self evident that for Fuji the 16mp sensor is all that there is right now, and Fuji are concentrating on body design and lens releases.  And quite right too.  Complaining about the MP is pretty lame.  It is what it is.

If the OP attempted to explain why he wants more MP rather than saying dumb things about the D4 then it would make more sense.

Anyway, wouldn't you be better off shooting landscapes with an A7R?

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David V wrote:

bigpigbig wrote:

David V wrote:

topstuff wrote:

LWS2013 wrote:

why did they put that same old sensor in it, they really should have developed an update 21 or 24mp sensor, I wouldn't buy an X-T1 because the sensor is likely to be replaced with in a year.

This is no different to the Nikon DF using the same sensor as the D4, the D4 sensor isn't great and caused many Nikon users to switch over to Canon

Why do you want more MP? Do you crop by 200% regularly?

See this thread below. An x100s shot ( same 16mp sensor ) was printed to a size of 80 feet /24metres.

It covered the side of a museum.

Here: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52837127

It was "only" 16mp.

Do you just think that a big number is better than a smaller number?

Why do you think more MP is better? Or maybe you just don't know what you are talking about?

Actually, this was a pretty rude response. Perhaps you should check yourself.

24MP would allow some additional cropping/frame adjustment for when you are printing 20x30 or larger, which is what I do for landscape prints. It would also provide a finer level of detail for larger prints without cropping.

You can't compare an 80 foot banner viewed from hundreds of feet away to a landscape print hanging on a wall two feet in front of you. It's all about use case.

There is always a 36mp D800e. Not being cheeky, but if ultimate image quality and detail is important (and you cant afford a MF 80mp back) maybe APS-C is not the right tool.

24mp APS-C might give you more room to crop, but you'll sacrifice color fidelity and dynamic range.

Is it worth it?

Did you actually read any of the thread or my post prior to the one you quoted? I think you missed my point and the point of my response to topstuff.

I own a D800 and full lineup of Pro Nikon glass. For me, a 24MP Fuji would do the job for my large landscape prints, which is why I am sticking with my X100S and my X-E2 for now and my D800 for when I need larger prints.

David, I did not mean to offend you. I am in the same boat as you are. I print big. Often. Any bigger than A3, I grab the D800e.

My point was that at present, 24mp APS-C would be a sacrifice in DR and color neither of which would be worth the extra detail in my opinion.

Sorry if I miss-read you or am still miss-reading you.

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topstuff wrote:

David V wrote:

topstuff wrote:

LWS2013 wrote:

why did they put that same old sensor in it, they really should have developed an update 21 or 24mp sensor, I wouldn't buy an X-T1 because the sensor is likely to be replaced with in a year.

This is no different to the Nikon DF using the same sensor as the D4, the D4 sensor isn't great and caused many Nikon users to switch over to Canon

Why do you want more MP? Do you crop by 200% regularly?

See this thread below. An x100s shot ( same 16mp sensor ) was printed to a size of 80 feet /24metres.

It covered the side of a museum.

Here: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52837127

It was "only" 16mp.

Do you just think that a big number is better than a smaller number?

Why do you think more MP is better? Or maybe you just don't know what you are talking about?

Actually, this was a pretty rude response. Perhaps you should check yourself.

24MP would allow some additional cropping/frame adjustment for when you are printing 20x30 or larger, which is what I do for landscape prints. It would also provide a finer level of detail for larger prints without cropping.

You can't compare an 80 foot banner viewed from hundreds of feet away to a landscape print hanging on a wall two feet in front of you. It's all about use case.

Well the Op started it by posting a silly thread. First off, the D4 sensor is generally acclaimed by the industry as being excellent and many, many, many pros are very happy with it. Saying silly things about the D4 is simply inflammatory nonsense and deserves to be treated as such.

Secondly, it is self evident that for Fuji the 16mp sensor is all that there is right now, and Fuji are concentrating on body design and lens releases. And quite right too. Complaining about the MP is pretty lame. It is what it is.

If the OP attempted to explain why he wants more MP rather than saying dumb things about the D4 then it would make more sense.

Anyway, wouldn't you be better off shooting landscapes with an A7R?

I'm not going to get into any high drama banter here, but what the OP posted was his opinion and not a rude shot at anyone like yours was.  If you felt that was justified by his "silly thread", quite honestly, there's not a whole lot to discuss here, but it does say a lot about who you are.

I did not agree with the D4 comment in any context, but chose not to respond to that.  In fact I own and shoot a D800 with high end Nikon glass for when I need to make large landscape prints.  It would be nice to be able to do those same large prints from a much smaller and lighter camera system that I have already invested in from a lens perspective.  A 24MP X-Trans would get that done for me (all things being equal) which is why I am sitting out this round.

I don't care for the Sony lens lineup or the shooting experience.

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bigpigbig wrote:

David V wrote:

bigpigbig wrote:

David V wrote:

topstuff wrote:

LWS2013 wrote:

why did they put that same old sensor in it, they really should have developed an update 21 or 24mp sensor, I wouldn't buy an X-T1 because the sensor is likely to be replaced with in a year.

This is no different to the Nikon DF using the same sensor as the D4, the D4 sensor isn't great and caused many Nikon users to switch over to Canon

Why do you want more MP? Do you crop by 200% regularly?

See this thread below. An x100s shot ( same 16mp sensor ) was printed to a size of 80 feet /24metres.

It covered the side of a museum.

Here: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52837127

It was "only" 16mp.

Do you just think that a big number is better than a smaller number?

Why do you think more MP is better? Or maybe you just don't know what you are talking about?

Actually, this was a pretty rude response. Perhaps you should check yourself.

24MP would allow some additional cropping/frame adjustment for when you are printing 20x30 or larger, which is what I do for landscape prints. It would also provide a finer level of detail for larger prints without cropping.

You can't compare an 80 foot banner viewed from hundreds of feet away to a landscape print hanging on a wall two feet in front of you. It's all about use case.

There is always a 36mp D800e. Not being cheeky, but if ultimate image quality and detail is important (and you cant afford a MF 80mp back) maybe APS-C is not the right tool.

24mp APS-C might give you more room to crop, but you'll sacrifice color fidelity and dynamic range.

Is it worth it?

Did you actually read any of the thread or my post prior to the one you quoted? I think you missed my point and the point of my response to topstuff.

I own a D800 and full lineup of Pro Nikon glass. For me, a 24MP Fuji would do the job for my large landscape prints, which is why I am sticking with my X100S and my X-E2 for now and my D800 for when I need larger prints.

David, I did not mean to offend you. I am in the same boat as you are. I print big. Often. Any bigger than A3, I grab the D800e.

My point was that at present, 24mp APS-C would be a sacrifice in DR and color neither of which would be worth the extra detail in my opinion.

Sorry if I miss-read you or am still miss-reading you.

Not offended and in re-reading my response, perhaps I came off a bit snarky, so I apologize as well.  I actually agree with your response above.  I shoot my D800 when I print large and would love a 24MP X-Trans sensor if they were able to deliver the same performance as the current 16MP model.

This would allow me to print the 20x30 shots I want without sacrifice with a nice light weight system and make traveling a whole lot more pleasant experience when I am out "hunting" for the next good capture.

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Totally agree - I still have A3+ prints from the Canon D30 (3 MP) that look great. Even close up.

My only wish (as expressed by others here as well) is for faster AF and AF tracking for the odd occasions I want it.

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David V wrote:

I own a D800 and full lineup of Pro Nikon glass. For me, a 24MP Fuji would do the job for my large landscape prints, which is why I am sticking with my X100S and my X-E2 for now and my D800 for when I need larger prints.

Placebo argument. The D800 hardly resolve more details than a 16MP XTrans II sensor. I have both and I don't think so, I know it

Even the a7r have a hard time to outresolve the X-E2:

http://aboutphotography-tomgrill.blogspot.co.at/2014/01/an-unfair-comparison-fuji-x-e2-vs-sony.html

Test was done @ISO 1600! Compare the provided full res files.

But marketing works always fine and a higher number means ... hhmmm ... nothing

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Operator wrote:

David V wrote:

I own a D800 and full lineup of Pro Nikon glass. For me, a 24MP Fuji would do the job for my large landscape prints, which is why I am sticking with my X100S and my X-E2 for now and my D800 for when I need larger prints.

Placebo argument. The D800 hardly resolve more details than a 16MP XTrans II sensor. I have both and I don't think so, I know it

Even the a7r have a hard time to outresolve the X-E2:

http://aboutphotography-tomgrill.blogspot.co.at/2014/01/an-unfair-comparison-fuji-x-e2-vs-sony.html

Test was done @ISO 1600! Compare the provided full res files.

But marketing works always fine and a higher number means ... hhmmm ... nothing

We all have our preferences.  Glad you found what works for you.

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Fujifilm X-E2 Fujifilm X-T1 Fujifilm XF 60mm F2.4 R Macro Fujifilm XF 18-55mm F2.8-4 R LM OIS Fujifilm XF 55-200mm F3.5-4.8 R LM OIS +6 more
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