X-trans is a winner

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marco1974
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X-trans is a winner
9 months ago

Try this with a Bayer sensor and find yourself in moiré hell:

Fujifilm official sample image for the new XF 56/1.2 at f/5.6

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Nice!

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Hi Marco,

very nice!

Couple quick questions:

Did you post process raw in ACR(LR)?

Do you think that image is more prone to moire at large aperture settings (f/1.2-2.0)?

Thanks,

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marco1974 wrote:

Try this with a Bayer sensor and find yourself in moiré hell:

Fujifilm official sample image for the new XF 56/1.2 at f/5.6

Marco

Yep, and one of the reasons the new X-T1 *could* fill the shoes of the famous S5 Pro (and to a lesser extent the S3 Pro) as a superb tool for weddings. I'm not convinced Fuji are even aiming at that with the X-T1 but it will be interesting to see how it stacks up.

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Hi Marco,

very nice!

Couple quick questions:

Did you post process raw in ACR(LR)?

Do you think that image is more prone to moire at large aperture settings (f/1.2-2.0)?

Thanks,

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This is a official fujifilm promotional shot, which Marco also posted on the Leica forum trying to start a flaming war by telling them that no Leica could take a shot like this without falling into a hell of moire. He also conveniently forgot to mention it was a fujifilm promotional shot, and sadly for Marco, they didn't rise to his childish attempts at trolling.

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Hi Marco,

very nice!

Couple quick questions:

Did you post process raw in ACR(LR)?

Do you think that image is more prone to moire at large aperture settings (f/1.2-2.0)?

Thanks,

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This is a official fujifilm promotional shot, which Marco also posted on the Leica forum trying to start a flaming war by telling them that no Leica could take a shot like this without falling into a hell of moire. He also conveniently forgot to mention it was a fujifilm promotional shot, and sadly for Marco, they didn't rise to his childish attempts at trolling.

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BillyInya wrote:

marco1974 wrote:

Try this with a Bayer sensor and find yourself in moiré hell:

Fujifilm official sample image for the new XF 56/1.2 at f/5.6

Marco

Yep, and one of the reasons the new X-T1 *could* fill the shoes of the famous S5 Pro (and to a lesser extent the S3 Pro) as a superb tool for weddings. I'm not convinced Fuji are even aiming at that with the X-T1 but it will be interesting to see how it stacks up.

The most important tool for wedding shoots is what' standing directly behind the camera, not the camera itself.

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wyldberi wrote:

BillyInya wrote:

marco1974 wrote:

Try this with a Bayer sensor and find yourself in moiré hell:

Fujifilm official sample image for the new XF 56/1.2 at f/5.6

Marco

Yep, and one of the reasons the new X-T1 *could* fill the shoes of the famous S5 Pro (and to a lesser extent the S3 Pro) as a superb tool for weddings. I'm not convinced Fuji are even aiming at that with the X-T1 but it will be interesting to see how it stacks up.

The most important tool for wedding shoots is what' standing directly behind the camera, not the camera itself.

The camera plays a critically important role. Use a camera that is incapable of capturing the right data and no matter how good the photographer the images will never be as good as ones captured by that same photographer using a camera that does.

Have you not heard of the S5 Pro's unique strengths?

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marco1974 wrote:

Try this with a Bayer sensor and find yourself in moiré hell:

Fujifilm official sample image for the new XF 56/1.2 at f/5.6

Marco

As much as I like my Fuji cam, I have several non-Fuji cameras (and lens) that could capture that shot at the same or better level of quality and without moiré...

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Don't get me wrong....I love e Xtrans sensor.  But at f9, no sensor will have moire.

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Dave Luttmann wrote:

Don't get me wrong....I love e Xtrans sensor. But at f9, no sensor will have moire.

How do you figure?

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BillyInya wrote:

wyldberi wrote:The most important tool for wedding shoots is what' standing directly behind the camera, not the camera itself.

The camera plays a critically important role. Use a camera that is incapable of capturing the right data and no matter how good the photographer the images will never be as good as ones captured by that same photographer using a camera that does.

Have you not heard of the S5 Pro's unique strengths?

Have you never heard that tools don't make the photographer; it is the photographer who masters the tools he has in hand who manages to bring his creative vision to the world.

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wyldberi wrote:

BillyInya wrote:

wyldberi wrote:The most important tool for wedding shoots is what' standing directly behind the camera, not the camera itself.

The camera plays a critically important role. Use a camera that is incapable of capturing the right data and no matter how good the photographer the images will never be as good as ones captured by that same photographer using a camera that does.

Have you not heard of the S5 Pro's unique strengths?

Have you never heard that tools don't make the photographer; it is the photographer who masters the tools he has in hand who manages to bring his creative vision to the world.

You clearly either have not read my reply to you or don't understand it. Here it is again ....

The camera plays a critically important role. Use a camera that is incapable of capturing the right data and no matter how good the photographer the images will never be as good as ones captured by that same photographer using a camera that does.

Have you not heard of the S5 Pro's unique strengths?

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marco1974 wrote:

Try this with a Bayer sensor and find yourself in moiré hell:

I think you might have misunderstood the info regarding X-Trans and moire. I have seen just as much moire in X-Trans cameras as in the average Bayer camera. The 2 cameras simply deal with moire in different ways; one with an irregular CFA pattern and the other with an AA filter. Both methods reduce moire, but neither completely eliminates it. We will never know how a Bayer camera would have handled this image, but a Bayer camera with AA filter likely would not have had a problem with it.

It is OK if you did not understand this before you posted. At least you didn't troll-post this same thing in the Leica and Nikon forums; that would have been embarrassing...oh wait...

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DonSantos wrote:

Dave Luttmann wrote:

Don't get me wrong....I love e Xtrans sensor. But at f9, no sensor will have moire.

How do you figure?

Diffraction lessens moire.  Diffraction with aps-c starts at f7.1

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BillyInya wrote:

wyldberi wrote:

BillyInya wrote:

wyldberi wrote:The most important tool for wedding shoots is what' standing directly behind the camera, not the camera itself.

The camera plays a critically important role. Use a camera that is incapable of capturing the right data and no matter how good the photographer the images will never be as good as ones captured by that same photographer using a camera that does.

Have you not heard of the S5 Pro's unique strengths?

Have you never heard that tools don't make the photographer; it is the photographer who masters the tools he has in hand who manages to bring his creative vision to the world.

You clearly either have not read my reply to you or don't understand it. Here it is again ....

The camera plays a critically important role. Use a camera that is incapable of capturing the right data and no matter how good the photographer the images will never be as good as ones captured by that same photographer using a camera that does.

Have you not heard of the S5 Pro's unique strengths?

Please define "the right data."  What modern cameras are not capable of capturing it?

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BillyInya wrote:

I found the X-E2 to fall a little short of the image quality I am getting straight out of cam from my X-E2. I am particular about depth of color and skin tones. The X-E1 is classic Fuji all the way but I did not find this with the X-E2.

BillyInya wrote:

It annoys the hell out of me they appear to have "lost the ball" with the X-E2.

BillyInya wrote:

Fuji have always had the edge when it comes to superb color rendering and amazingly true to life skin tones. But since the X-E2 (X-Trans version 2) I'm not sure Fuji has an advantage at all any more.

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Chris Dodkin wrote:

In one of the X Photographers write-ups recently, he confirmed that Fuji had a color specialist from their film team join the X Series team, specifically to ensure that 'Fuji Color' DNA was maintained through these new cameras.

BillyInya wrote:

In that case he must have been on holidays or on sick leave when they developed the X-E2 lol

Billy, do you think this beautiful OOC JPEG (taken with the X-E2) supports your claims that Fuji has "lost the ball" when it comes to image quality and skin tones? If so, could you point out what is wrong with the image. It looks pretty good to me.

Look here for more fantastic X-E1 images: Samples

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marco1974 wrote:

Try this with a Bayer sensor and find yourself in moiré hell:

I think you might have misunderstood the info regarding X-Trans and moire. I have seen just as much moire in X-Trans cameras as in the average Bayer camera. The 2 cameras simply deal with moire in different ways; one with an irregular CFA pattern and the other with an AA filter. Both methods reduce moire, but neither completely eliminates it. We will never know how a Bayer camera would have handled this image, but a Bayer camera with AA filter likely would not have had a problem with it.

It is OK if you did not understand this before you posted. At least you didn't troll-post this same thing in the Leica and Nikon forums; that would have been embarrassing...oh wait...

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Look here for more fantastic X-E1 images: Samples

Edit: Look here for more fantastic X-E2 images: Samples

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Dave Luttmann wrote:

DonSantos wrote:

Dave Luttmann wrote:

Don't get me wrong....I love e Xtrans sensor. But at f9, no sensor will have moire.

How do you figure?

Diffraction lessens moire. Diffraction with aps-c starts at f7.1

That's an incredibly shallow understanding, and "at f9, no sensor will have moire" is completely wrong.

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