Poll re Nikon Df

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I like the Df just fine, but what I would like to see Nikon make is a digital Nikon S with the ability to use F moiunt lenses. I would prefer and FX sensor, but a DX would be cool also.

What do you think? Flame suit....on.

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In reply to bikinchris, 7 months ago

It would be cheaper to buy a used Leica M8 or even a used M9.

While the concept is very appealing, Nikon sells more D800s in one month than Leica sells in rangefinders in one year.

With such a small marketplace it simply doesn't make sense for a giant like Nikon to build a specialty camera for such a small market segment.  Bigger fish to fry.

Rangefinders are not simple to make due to their mechanical nature and the need for a specialized sensor (microlenses to support acute ray angles).  So I would expect the cost to be about the same as a Leica M-E.

That being said, a specialized Nikon D4 sensor, its processor, in an M body would be a killer camera.

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So you end up with a rangefinder camera, but using the huge SLR lenses (instead of taking advantage of the shorter lens to sensor distance possible in the rangefinder). Sounds like having the worst of both worlds. Also, no offense intended, but if you start a thread, couldn't you proofread, or run a spell checker?

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Problem is that Nikon would do such a crappy job that it wouldn't resemble the S2 at all.

So better leave the classic designs to the companies that still know how to make them.

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bikinchris wrote:

I like the Df just fine, but what I would like to see Nikon make is a digital Nikon S with the ability to use F moiunt lenses. I would prefer and FX sensor, but a DX would be cool also.

What do you think? Flame suit....on.

The second sentence doesn't make any sense. I'm not sure what you're asking. Should "and" be exchanged with "an"? I understand if you aren't a native English speaker, it's just hard to understand what's asked.

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In reply to lost_in_utah, 7 months ago

Nikon on should make a digital S2 compatible with a Leica M bayonet As there are a bazzillion lenses for it out there already. if they could do something über clever so that you could also mount small autofocus lenses that would be cool too.  Rangefinders were complicated 80 years ago, now they'd be easy peasy.  Nikon made a limited edition new build s2 40 years after the went out of production, its just a pity they stopped and didn't slip a digital back on a few years later.

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Make a mirrorless DX camera with precise swings, tilts, and shifts. I would have an F mount so the FX lenses would allow some extra coverage for the movements. It would also have built-in WiFi and apps for Mac, Windows, iPad, and other tablets.

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So you end up with a rangefinder camera, but using the huge SLR lenses (instead of taking advantage of the shorter lens to sensor distance possible in the rangefinder). Sounds like having the worst of both worlds. Also, no offense intended, but if you start a thread, couldn't you proofread, or run a spell checker?

I am assuming that you were responding to bikinchris' Post?

I think you are right, you can't use F-mount lenses for a small rangefinder and most of those F-mount lenses have autofocus hardware that is just extra baggage.  Even the AI-S manual lenses are fairly large.

There is a lot of Leica M lenses out there. However, I can't see Nikon willingly relying on another manufacture's lenses for one of their products.

Certainly, it would not be in Leica's interests to partner with any company that is going to build a competing M body.

Which is why I stated that it was probably easier and cheaper to just go out and buy a used M8 or M9 if one really wants a digital rangefinder.

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Nikon on should make a digital S2 compatible with a Leica M bayonet As there are a bazzillion lenses for it out there already. if they could do something über clever so that you could also mount small autofocus lenses that would be cool too. Rangefinders were complicated 80 years ago, now they'd be easy peasy. Nikon made a limited edition new build s2 40 years after the went out of production, its just a pity they stopped and didn't slip a digital back on a few years later.

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I don't think it is easy to design a true rangefinder.

The mechanism is mechanical one of high precision to get accurate ranging and requires a precise optical viewfinder assembly.  It is also prone to periodic adjustment to keep it calibrated.

All of this is doable, but you are talking about a very small market share of potential buyers - smaller than the Df.

That is not enough volume to bring costs down to sub-Leica prices.  If a Df sells for $2,700 Nikon surely will not build a rangefinder for less than that.

Rangefinders are not he future.  I think Sony has demonstrated where technology is headed for small footprint cameras and it is not mechanical in nature.

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bikinchris wrote:

I like the Df just fine, but what I would like to see Nikon make is a digital Nikon S with the ability to use F moiunt lenses. I would prefer and FX sensor, but a DX would be cool also.

What do you think? Flame suit....on.

The second sentence doesn't make any sense. I'm not sure what you're asking. Should "and" be exchanged with "an"? I understand if you aren't a native English speaker, it's just hard to understand what's asked.

I just have big fingers and I am thus prone to typos. If I have offended you, I offer my apologies.

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S t e f a n wrote:

So you end up with a rangefinder camera, but using the huge SLR lenses (instead of taking advantage of the shorter lens to sensor distance possible in the rangefinder). Sounds like having the worst of both worlds. Also, no offense intended, but if you start a thread, couldn't you proofread, or run a spell checker?

You are correct, I have a tendency for making typos and I didn't proofread. Sorry you couldn't understand what I wrote.

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Nikon sells more D800s in one month than Leica sells in rangefinders in one year.

While you may be right where do you get Nikon DSLR production numbers by model?

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user_name wrote:

Nikon sells more D800s in one month than Leica sells in rangefinders in one year.

While you may be right where do you get Nikon DSLR production numbers by model?

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I apologize.  I read that recently in some online mag, but I can't recall if it was Ming's or Steve Duff's comment or someone else.  If I can find it I will post a link.

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In my OP, I didn't mention that this camera would have a rangefinder mount. It would use F mount lenses with an adapter. Best of both worlds.

This would probably NOT be a high selling camera and the price would probably be very high. Like the short production rangefinder film camera Nikon made a few years back but only for the market in Japan.

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I like the Df just fine, but what I would like to see Nikon make is a digital Nikon S with the ability to use F moiunt lenses. I would prefer an FX sensor, but a DX would be cool also.

What do you think? Flame suit....on.

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lost_in_utah wrote:

bikinchris wrote:

I like the Df just fine, but what I would like to see Nikon make is a digital Nikon S with the ability to use F moiunt lenses. I would prefer and FX sensor, but a DX would be cool also.

What do you think? Flame suit....on.

The second sentence doesn't make any sense. I'm not sure what you're asking. Should "and" be exchanged with "an"? I understand if you aren't a native English speaker, it's just hard to understand what's asked.

No, "and" should be replaced by "a".

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lost_in_utah wrote:

bikinchris wrote:

I like the Df just fine, but what I would like to see Nikon make is a digital Nikon S with the ability to use F moiunt lenses. I would prefer and FX sensor, but a DX would be cool also.

What do you think? Flame suit....on.

The second sentence doesn't make any sense. I'm not sure what you're asking. Should "and" be exchanged with "an"? I understand if you aren't a native English speaker, it's just hard to understand what's asked.

No, "and" should be replaced by "a".

If the sound of a word starts with the sound of a vowel, and even if it starts with a consonant, you use "an". For instance, "An FX camera costs more than a DX camera." The "an" is used correctly in that case.

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Nikon will make one eventually, likely FF, since APS-C ML are coming out much smaller and to compete they need a shorter flange distance.

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I would LOVE nikon to make an f-mount ff range finder. A leica m9 is kinda a dream cam for me now, but that price tag cbined with summilux procing makes it about as feasible as a ferrari.

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lost_in_utah wrote:

bikinchris wrote:

I like the Df just fine, but what I would like to see Nikon make is a digital Nikon S with the ability to use F moiunt lenses. I would prefer and FX sensor, but a DX would be cool also.

What do you think? Flame suit....on.

The second sentence doesn't make any sense. I'm not sure what you're asking. Should "and" be exchanged with "an"? I understand if you aren't a native English speaker, it's just hard to understand what's asked.

Actually, non-native English speakers tend to have better grammar and sentence structure than many English speakers. The difference between an article and a conjunction is quite significant. Of course, spell-check does not catch such errors, so they proliferate. A greater problem might be that the thread title has little to do with the subject matter. I very nearly ignored this thread.

OK, that is enough grammar commentary. On the original subject, the OP seems to be wishing for a mirrorless F-mount camera. Fujifilm is already playing on this field, with the X-series with interchangeable lenses. I know little enough about marketing, so cannot say whether it would be a wise business decision for Nikon to try this concept. The 1-series is mirrorless, with a smaller sensor, that can use F-mount lenses, coupled with an expensive adapter. Would a mirrorless, interchangeable-lens Nikon camera, with a DX or FX sensor, orphan or cripple the 1-series? Nikon seems to be afraid of their systems cannibalizing each other, as it is.

Personally, I am seriously considering the purchase of a Fujifilm X Pro this year, perhaps also acquiring a Novoflex FUX/NIK adapter, but some of the Fuji X lenses are quite appealing. If Nikon offered a well-executed F-mount DX or FX mirrorless, I would have the option of staying within a system I am already using, but being unable to use the Fuji lenses.

I reckon that I might well be interested in an FX or DX mirrorless, but only if well-executed. As the owner of elegantly simple FM3A film bodies, I think the Df was not well-executed.

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In reply to Rservello, 7 months ago

I hear you, but the main thing about the M system is the lenses.  This is what makes the whole thing work as eloquently as it does.

The quality of the optics is one thing, but the size of the lenses owe to the fact they are tailored specifically to the M body.  You can't make your F-mount lenses smaller, so even if you made a rangefinder body that took F-mount lenses, the system would always be larger and bulkier.

Also, the M system does not do well with ultrawide angle and telephoto lenses.  That is just the nature of a rangefinder's viewfinder.  It's clunky to use those adapters to get the correct field of view.

Why not do what I did.  Just but a used M8 and one or maybe two M lenses to satisfy.  I find the 1.33 crop factor tolerable and the small 10.3mp sensor size still produces some excellent output due to the lack of an AA filter.

You can buy a new or used Zeiss 35mm f/2.8 M mount lens and a used M8 for less than a Df body (let alone a used M9 body).  You need a B&W UV/IR cut filter for any lens you buy for the M8.

Still a little pricey?  Buy a Voigtlander lens instead.

If it floats your boat, keep it.  If not, flip it and you won't really lose any money.

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