Nikon Df and some bird pictures in low light

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Nikon Df and some bird pictures in low light
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At last we got some snow, and for curiosity I took some bird pictures with Nikon Df and 300 f2.8+ Tc 20eIII, iso 3200, f6.3, noise reduction in Lightroom 0. In Df the Af is accurate, no hunting! 5,5 fs works well, low light noise control is very good, colour rendition is good and clean. I like Df also in this use also when compared with D3 and d800!

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It's certainly not my intention to start a Nikonian brawl, but this real-life example (unlike diagrams and lab tests) actually seems a tiny bit more noisy than what I would've expected. If I was asked to guess, I would certainly think it's much higher than ISO 3200 - by at least a stop. It might be due to post-processing perhaps?

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It's certainly not my intention to start a Nikonian brawl, but this real-life example (unlike diagrams and lab tests) actually seems a tiny bit more noisy than what I would've expected. If I was asked to guess, I would certainly think it's much higher than ISO 3200 - by at least a stop. It might be due to post-processing perhaps?

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In my opinion and based on what I see in the pictures Df is clearly better than d800 or Canon 7D in following pictures. The first is from Df, second from d800 and the third one from Canon D7. Df pictures are taken in worst light condition, but in spite of that In shadow areas there is least noise in Df pictures. Df and d800 are iso 1600 and Canon is iso 640!. All pictures are taken in raw and converted with raw converter. In Df picture Lightroom noise reduction is 0, but In d800 and Canon pictures luminance Nr must have been used. This is unfair comparison to Df but it shows how good the sensor of D4 / Df is.

Nikon Df, iso 1600

Nikon d 800 iso 1600

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I was comparing it to my D700, which is much older technology. Admittedly, the latter is a 12MP sensor, but I think the difference is still pretty interesting.

OK, this is not a scientific test obviously, but I paired your 1600 shot with a 6400 shot from my D700 I've been discussing about recently in the forum. IMO the D700 output is rather similar in terms of noise, which is quite a surprise I think...

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I was comparing it to my D700, which is much older technology. Admittedly, the latter is a 12MP sensor, but I think the difference is still pretty interesting.

OK, this is not a scientific test obviously, but I paired your 1600 shot with a 6400 shot from my D700 I've been discussing about recently in the forum. IMO the D700 output is rather similar in terms of noise, which is quite a surprise I think...

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D 700 output is very clean, as is that of D3, which I used before d800. One reason I wanted Df is come back to D3/ D4 output which I like more than that of d800. All my pictures here are cropped and resized a lot and it effects output, too. With Df raw picture I have not used noise reduction at all.

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pixee wrote:

DigitalPhilosopher wrote:

It's certainly not my intention to start a Nikonian brawl, but this real-life example (unlike diagrams and lab tests) actually seems a tiny bit more noisy than what I would've expected. If I was asked to guess, I would certainly think it's much higher than ISO 3200 - by at least a stop. It might be due to post-processing perhaps?

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In my opinion and based on what I see in the pictures Df is clearly better than d800 or Canon 7D in following pictures. The first is from Df, second from d800 and the third one from Canon D7. Df pictures are taken in worst light condition, but in spite of that In shadow areas there is least noise in Df pictures. Df and d800 are iso 1600 and Canon is iso 640!. All pictures are taken in raw and converted with raw converter. In Df picture Lightroom noise reduction is 0, but In d800 and Canon pictures luminance Nr must have been used. This is unfair comparison

Not unfair - completely useless!  You can't seriuosly compare images taken on different dates in different conditions!  And are we looking at 100% crops here or the more realistic same image size?  A meaningful comparison has to be controlled if you want to make any conclusions from it!

to Df but it shows how good the sensor of D4 / Df is.

It is a great sensor (I have a D4), but the comparison here is not really useful!

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jjnik wrote:

pixee wrote:

DigitalPhilosopher wrote:

It's certainly not my intention to start a Nikonian brawl, but this real-life example (unlike diagrams and lab tests) actually seems a tiny bit more noisy than what I would've expected. If I was asked to guess, I would certainly think it's much higher than ISO 3200 - by at least a stop. It might be due to post-processing perhaps?

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In my opinion and based on what I see in the pictures Df is clearly better than d800 or Canon 7D in following pictures. The first is from Df, second from d800 and the third one from Canon D7. Df pictures are taken in worst light condition, but in spite of that In shadow areas there is least noise in Df pictures. Df and d800 are iso 1600 and Canon is iso 640!. All pictures are taken in raw and converted with raw converter. In Df picture Lightroom noise reduction is 0, but In d800 and Canon pictures luminance Nr must have been used. This is unfair comparison

Not unfair - completely useless! You can't seriuosly compare images taken on different dates in different conditions! And are we looking at 100% crops here or the more realistic same image size? A meaningful comparison has to be controlled if you want to make any conclusions from it!

to Df but it shows how good the sensor of D4 / Df is.

It is a great sensor (I have a D4), but the comparison here is not really useful!

Is it completely useless? Really? I think it is not from my point of view. This is not a scientific test, and not 100% reliable. Nobody has said that. But I know what I see and have seen from d800, D3, Canon 1dmk2 and 3, 5 dmk2 in different situations. I like Df and it´s sensor and also it´s af and that is the point here.

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Nice birdies in their environment, Pixee. Personally, I would shoot them at a wider aperture and lower ISO to achieve a better separation of the subject and less noise.

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Nice birdies in their environment, Pixee. Personally, I would shoot them at a wider aperture and lower ISO to achieve a better separation of the subject and less noise.

Haim

Thanks,

I would also like use wider aperture and lower iso, of course, if I had used a 600 mm f4 tele but this subjective test of curiosity was done with 300 f2.8 tele with Tc 20IIIe which means that widest aperture is f5.6. 6.3 is 1/3 stops down the wide open with tc. I was also interested how well af of Df works with Tc. It worked well. Iso 1600 and 3200 were chosen in purpose to see how well Df handles low light high iso. Df does good work also with high iso, seems better than d800.

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pixee wrote:

jjnik wrote:

pixee wrote:

DigitalPhilosopher wrote:

It's certainly not my intention to start a Nikonian brawl, but this real-life example (unlike diagrams and lab tests) actually seems a tiny bit more noisy than what I would've expected. If I was asked to guess, I would certainly think it's much higher than ISO 3200 - by at least a stop. It might be due to post-processing perhaps?

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In my opinion and based on what I see in the pictures Df is clearly better than d800 or Canon 7D in following pictures. The first is from Df, second from d800 and the third one from Canon D7. Df pictures are taken in worst light condition, but in spite of that In shadow areas there is least noise in Df pictures. Df and d800 are iso 1600 and Canon is iso 640!. All pictures are taken in raw and converted with raw converter. In Df picture Lightroom noise reduction is 0, but In d800 and Canon pictures luminance Nr must have been used. This is unfair comparison

Not unfair - completely useless! You can't seriuosly compare images taken on different dates in different conditions! And are we looking at 100% crops here or the more realistic same image size? A meaningful comparison has to be controlled if you want to make any conclusions from it!

to Df but it shows how good the sensor of D4 / Df is.

It is a great sensor (I have a D4), but the comparison here is not really useful!

Is it completely useless? Really?

Ok, perhaps useless was too harsh, but it really is a meaningless comparison as nothing was controlled!

I think it is not from my point of view. This is not a scientific test, and not 100% reliable. Nobody has said that. But I know what I see and have seen from d800, D3, Canon 1dmk2 and 3, 5 dmk2 in different situations. I like Df and it´s sensor and also it´s af and that is the point here.

I agree that the Df sensor is great, but the "comparison" images you've posted here really do nothing to support that point.  Your own experience may support your point, but the images provided can't.

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