M.zuiko 60mm 2.8 Makro wont do 1:1 HELP

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M.zuiko 60mm 2.8 Makro wont do 1:1 HELP
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Hi just picked up a M.zuiko 60mm 2.8 Makro, there is a wee dial on the side of the lens, not sure what it does, the dial clicks into place for 3 of the 4 settings but if I try to put it into the 1:1 setting it springs back to previous setting.

Am I doing something wrong or is the lens broken.

Thanks in advance

Andy

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1:1 is 1:1.

so the lens jumps into the !:1 setting, and you have to move the lens to the object until it appears sharp.

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Lens is broken. Throw it away.

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Yes, that's the expected behaviour.

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Glesgaguy wrote:

Hi just picked up a M.zuiko 60mm 2.8 Makro, there is a wee dial on the side of the lens, not sure what it does, the dial clicks into place for 3 of the 4 settings but if I try to put it into the 1:1 setting it springs back to previous setting.

Am I doing something wrong or is the lens broken.

Thanks in advance

Andy

The only thing you did wrong was to start using the lens without first understanding how it works. 

The "wee dial" not locking into place in the 1:1 position does not mean it's broken, that's just the way it was designed. (I concede it is a bit confusing but they didn't ask me before producing the lens.) As the review associated with the first link says:

"Using the lens is not difficult to get used to once you figure out the small dial on the side of the lens. When choosing to use the lens in traditional mode the dial should be set to 0.4 to infinity. When shooting in macro mode, the dial should be set to the 0.19 to 0.4m setting. It will give you full 1:1 magnification. Moving the dial to the 1:1 setting automatically transfers the dial back to the 0.19-0.4m setting anyway. I used this action when I wanted a quick setting change to macro mode without having to look at the lens. Once I was used to changing the mode dial it was smooth sailing."

Digital Camera Review of 60mm Macro (with dial explanation)

There are other numerous reviews, blogs, posts etc. about the lens, that can be readily found by using Google. You might want to read some of them. Here are a couple; there are others if you are interested.

Review of 60mm Macro (with explanation of dial)

Robin Wong Review (shows how good the lens is)

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I will admit it is confusing.  It also won't work if you try to use AF.  If you switch it to 1:1 and try to use AF it will probably kick back out to the next magnification level. You need to switch to MF.  Other than this it is a very nice lens.

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Lens is broken. Throw it away.

Better yet, I'll take it off your hands!  

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I will admit it is confusing. It also won't work if you try to use AF. If you switch it to 1:1 and try to use AF it will probably kick back out to the next magnification level. You need to switch to MF. Other than this it is a very nice lens.

Why do you say AF won't work at 1:1?

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Glesgaguy wrote:

Hi just picked up a M.zuiko 60mm 2.8 Makro, there is a wee dial on the side of the lens, not sure what it does, the dial clicks into place for 3 of the 4 settings but if I try to put it into the 1:1 setting it springs back to previous setting.

Am I doing something wrong or is the lens broken.

Thanks in advance

Andy

The only thing you did wrong was to start using the lens without first understanding how it works.

The "wee dial" not locking into place in the 1:1 position does not mean it's broken, that's just the way it was designed. (I concede it is a bit confusing but they didn't ask me before producing the lens.) As the review associated with the first link says:

"Using the lens is not difficult to get used to once you figure out the small dial on the side of the lens. When choosing to use the lens in traditional mode the dial should be set to 0.4 to infinity. When shooting in macro mode, the dial should be set to the 0.19 to 0.4m setting. It will give you full 1:1 magnification. Moving the dial to the 1:1 setting automatically transfers the dial back to the 0.19-0.4m setting anyway. I used this action when I wanted a quick setting change to macro mode without having to look at the lens. Once I was used to changing the mode dial it was smooth sailing."

Digital Camera Review of 60mm Macro (with dial explanation)

There are other numerous reviews, blogs, posts etc. about the lens, that can be readily found by using Google. You might want to read some of them. Here are a couple; there are others if you are interested.

Review of 60mm Macro (with explanation of dial)

Robin Wong Review (shows how good the lens is)

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local novice wrote:

I will admit it is confusing. It also won't work if you try to use AF. If you switch it to 1:1 and try to use AF it will probably kick back out to the next magnification level. You need to switch to MF. Other than this it is a very nice lens.

Why do you say AF won't work at 1:1?

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It doesn't for me. I read somewhere the technical reason AF is problematic at 1:1 but i can't remember it. I think that is one reason why most people seem to use MF at 1:1 macro. Maybe the other reason being to get the proper focus on a thin DOF, MF is better.  I don't know if it is peculiar to this lens, I only have used the 60mm for macro work.

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Joseph T Lewis III wrote:

local novice wrote:

I will admit it is confusing. It also won't work if you try to use AF. If you switch it to 1:1 and try to use AF it will probably kick back out to the next magnification level. You need to switch to MF. Other than this it is a very nice lens.

Why do you say AF won't work at 1:1?

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It doesn't for me. I read somewhere the technical reason AF is problematic at 1:1 but i can't remember it. I think that is one reason why most people seem to use MF at 1:1 macro. Maybe the other reason being to get the proper focus on a thin DOF, MF is better. I don't know if it is peculiar to this lens, I only have used the 60mm for macro work.

I don't disagree with the practice of using MF for macro work.   Given the extremely thin depth of field when shooting insects, MF is a more precise method and is in fact what the "real" macro photographers over on the Macro and Still Life forum prefer.   I was just asking if you had found that AF physically would not function with your lens, as opposed to not delivering optimum results.

I tried mine before making my other post.  I set my lens to 1:1; it dropped back to the .19 - .4 meter mark as expected.  I then got about 5-6" from an object (a toenail clipper if you must know, nothing artsy about me!!), and the AF seemed to work OK.  In fact, at 6" handheld, I could not tell the difference between AF and MF images.  When I put the lens to within maybe 4" of the object, it focused but not as quickly.  At 2-3" it was definitely having trouble with AF.  Of course, the lower level of lighting indoors in my bedroom may have contributed to this; outdoors on a sunny day taking photos of a multicolored butterfly might be better.  (Of course, getting closer than 6 inches to a bug presents a different set of problems, in that they are likely to become spooked and fly off.)

Anyway, from my limited tests AF does work; it's just that the closer you get (6" or less), using MF will give better results.

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local novice wrote:

I will admit it is confusing. It also won't work if you try to use AF. If you switch it to 1:1 and try to use AF it will probably kick back out to the next magnification level. You need to switch to MF. Other than this it is a very nice lens.

Why do you say AF won't work at 1:1?

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Strictly speaking both AF and MF will not work at 1:1. The only way to focus at 1:1 is by moving the camera. If you attempt to use AF or MF you are no longer at 1:1.

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local novice wrote:

Joseph T Lewis III wrote:

local novice wrote:

I will admit it is confusing. It also won't work if you try to use AF. If you switch it to 1:1 and try to use AF it will probably kick back out to the next magnification level. You need to switch to MF. Other than this it is a very nice lens.

Why do you say AF won't work at 1:1?

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It doesn't for me. I read somewhere the technical reason AF is problematic at 1:1 but i can't remember it. I think that is one reason why most people seem to use MF at 1:1 macro. Maybe the other reason being to get the proper focus on a thin DOF, MF is better. I don't know if it is peculiar to this lens, I only have used the 60mm for macro work.

I don't disagree with the practice of using MF for macro work. Given the extremely thin depth of field when shooting insects, MF is a more precise method and is in fact what the "real" macro photographers over on the Macro and Still Life forum prefer. I was just asking if you had found that AF physically would not function with your lens, as opposed to not delivering optimum results.

I tried mine before making my other post. I set my lens to 1:1; it dropped back to the .19 - .4 meter mark as expected. I then got about 5-6" from an object (a toenail clipper if you must know, nothing artsy about me!!), and the AF seemed to work OK. In fact, at 6" handheld, I could not tell the difference between AF and MF images. When I put the lens to within maybe 4" of the object, it focused but not as quickly. At 2-3" it was definitely having trouble with AF. Of course, the lower level of lighting indoors in my bedroom may have contributed to this; outdoors on a sunny day taking photos of a multicolored butterfly might be better. (Of course, getting closer than 6 inches to a bug presents a different set of problems, in that they are likely to become spooked and fly off.)

Anyway, from my limited tests AF does work; it's just that the closer you get (6" or less), using MF will give better results.

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That's interesting, I find it just doen't work on my copy and if I try to use it I lose 1:1.  Perhaps it is operator error or maybe this only happens in bad light.

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Joseph T Lewis III wrote:

local novice wrote:

I will admit it is confusing. It also won't work if you try to use AF. If you switch it to 1:1 and try to use AF it will probably kick back out to the next magnification level. You need to switch to MF. Other than this it is a very nice lens.

Why do you say AF won't work at 1:1?

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Strictly speaking both AF and MF will not work at 1:1. The only way to focus at 1:1 is by moving the camera. If you attempt to use AF or MF you are no longer at 1:1.

you are correct.  That is what I meant by manual focus. I am not using correct terminology and stand corrected.

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cmorse wrote:

Joseph T Lewis III wrote:

local novice wrote:

I will admit it is confusing. It also won't work if you try to use AF. If you switch it to 1:1 and try to use AF it will probably kick back out to the next magnification level. You need to switch to MF. Other than this it is a very nice lens.

Why do you say AF won't work at 1:1?

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Strictly speaking both AF and MF will not work at 1:1. The only way to focus at 1:1 is by moving the camera. If you attempt to use AF or MF you are no longer at 1:1.

you are correct. That is what I meant by manual focus. I am not using correct terminology and stand corrected.

Agreed, I stand corrected as well.  I've only dabbled with macro and insects, but what little I have done was probably not at true 1:1 distance anyway.  I had originally interpreted local novice's first post to mean that when the lens was used at 1:1 with AF, it somehow physically switched back to the next closest setting or went out of AF mode.  My bad.

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Lens is broken. Throw it away.

That's not funny. Someone is asking for help.

With its distance range selector, this lens is more complicated to use than any other m4/3 lens.

To the original poster: use Google Chrome (and Google translation) to get a rough translation of this article (in French):
http://jpmartel.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/m-zuiko-60mm-macro/

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Merci JeanPierre de votre article très instructif et bien écrit.

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Merci JeanPierre de votre article très instructif et bien écrit.

De rien mon ami.

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GBC wrote:

Lens is broken. Throw it away.

That's not funny. Someone is asking for help.

With its distance range selector, this lens is more complicated to use than any other m4/3 lens.

To the original poster: use Google Chrome (and Google translation) to get a rough translation of this article (in French):
http://jpmartel.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/m-zuiko-60mm-macro/

Hello,

And thank you for pointing out this article.  I understood this information by inferring it from other postings.  This is a very good description of how it should work.

Regards,

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And thank you for pointing out this article. I understood this information by inferring it from other postings. This is a very good description of how it should work.

Thanks. I suspect that the English translation might be a little rough here and there but globally, anyone should understand how that lens works.

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