Wide angle lens?

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Wide angle lens?
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Coming from m4/3, I recently bought a 6D, and have a 50mm; 70-200, and the Tamron 150-600 is on order.  I'm not familiar with the offerings for wide angle lenses, so I'm seeking advice on what one lens would be a good choice for the 6D.  I don't even know if I should get a prime or something with a little zoom. (General shooting/landscapes).  Any advice?

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I too have the 6D and you wont get any wide angle lens than the Canon 17-40L for the price. Absolutely love it

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In reply to Colin Franks, 8 months ago

It's a manual focus prime lens, cheap compared to anything else and very sharp across the frame. It's also sold under the brand names of Rokinon and Bower and maybe one other which I can't remember? Manual focusing generally isn't an issue due to the dof involved with a lens this wide.

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I love my Samyang 14mm, but it's a long way from 14 to 50mm, and I would get a second lens to plug into that hole. How wide do you want to go? What do you plan to shoot? What wide angle focal lengths have you used before on what format?

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In reply to BaggysGreenArmy, 8 months ago

I'll look into the Canon 17-40.  It would be nice to find a good used one.

I failed to mention that I would definitely want to be able to put an ND filter on this lens, so the Samyang is out.

Nancy:  As mentioned, I'd like to just get one lens, but you're correct, it is quite a hole from 14 or 17 to 50, so perhaps a prime wouldn't be the best choice for me.  I had a 14-45 and 20mm on my m4/3 (not that it matters what I had/used in the past).

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Colin Franks wrote:

Coming from m4/3, I recently bought a 6D, and have a 50mm; 70-200, and the Tamron 150-600 is on order. I'm not familiar with the offerings for wide angle lenses, so I'm seeking advice on what one lens would be a good choice for the 6D. I don't even know if I should get a prime or something with a little zoom. (General shooting/landscapes). Any advice?

Facing a similar dilemma (have a Sigma 10-20 but its an APS-C lens and will be getting sold).  Although my 24-105L is now actually reasonably wide on FF. My shortlist that I'm looking into are..

- Sigma 12-24mm II (crazy wide at the short end and OK without being wow)

- Canon 17-40L (the safe choice and the only one of the three that takes filters)

- Sigma 15mm diagonal fisheye (which looks intriguing, very good quality and is the cheaper of the three)

The Samyang others mentioned I was initially very much drawn to but put off a bit that some of the distortion is very difficult to correct, which limits its application slightly.  Seen some great images from it though

As for zoom versus prime, its the usual trade-offs.  You gain versatility but can lose a little in IQ and sometimes distortion and speed.  Given even a 10mm range of zoom, the difference in framing of shots at either end of that is massive.

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Re: Wide angle lens? Canon 24-105; Rokinon 14 2.8
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The 24-105 is a good general purpose lens. The Rokinon is a great wide-angle lens.

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BaggysGreenArmy wrote:

I too have the 6D and you wont get any wide angle lens than the Canon 17-40L for the price. Absolutely love it

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I agree completely.  The 17-40 really shines at f/8 - f/16.  Anything wider, the corners start softening.  I highly recommend it for landscape.

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fwampler wrote:

The 24-105 is a good general purpose lens. The Rokinon is a great wide-angle lens.

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I pretty much agree on this though I'd say my copy of the 24-105mm is better than just good, it's very good, though I accept there seems to be wide copy variation with it. Mine is sharp and has great contrast and colour, a great general purpose lens IMHO.

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Re: Wide angle lens? Canon 24-105; Rokinon 14 2.8
In reply to papillon_65, 8 months ago

While the 24-105 may indeed be a good lens, I don't think it's what I'm after.  I have a killer 50 (f/1.2), a 2.8 70-200, so I feel that I've got that focal range covered already.  The 24-105 starts at 24, and if my aim is for a wide angle, 24 seems to be a high starting point rather than 17, although that may be splitting hairs.  Feel free to point out where that viewpoint is flawed.

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Colin Franks wrote:

While the 24-105 may indeed be a good lens, I don't think it's what I'm after. I have a killer 50 (f/1.2), a 2.8 70-200, so I feel that I've got that focal range covered already. The 24-105 starts at 24, and if my aim is for a wide angle, 24 seems to be a high starting point rather than 17, although that may be splitting hairs. Feel free to point out where that viewpoint is flawed.

I can understand where you're coming from completely. The 17-40 is definitely a safe bet and the additional range at the longer end might mean less changing lenses. My brother has the Mk 1 16-35 (which is actually another option as in the UK these go second hand for similar to a new 17-40) and that's plenty wide for most people.  Or go for a fisheye if you fancy something more extreme.

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Tokina 16-28mm f/2.8 comes close.

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Tokina 16-28mm f/2.8 comes close.

Thanks, I'll look into that.  (What did we do before Google?)

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Well that didn't take long; it won't accept filters.

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For some reason people rarely mention the tamron 17-35. I just bought one and it's a bargain for the price - it costs less than half of the canon 17-40, but it's really sharp, has great contrast and great colours. That is of course, if you buy second hand, as it's no longer in production.

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I have all 3 lens mentioned in this discussion. I was not satisfied with my 17-40L. I just got the Samyang (Bower brand) from B&H for $299. After 1 month, I am still in love with it.

24-105L Pro:

  • Large zoom range, great kit lens, flexible
  • Only IS lens in this list

24-105L Con:

  • Image quality (particular sharpness) not as good as newer 24-70 & 70-200 L zooms
  • Large distortion, vignette & CA. But easily correctable in post processing
  • OP does not need this zoom range

17-40L Pro:

  • Good zoom range, from ultra-wide to almost normal
  • Light weight but well built.

17-40L Con:

  • Soft corners until stopped down beyond F8. Not good for interior, but not a problem for landscape.
  • Funny distortion, but correctable in post processing

Samyang 14 Pro:

  • Very sharp. Great micro-contrast. Best image quality of all three.
  • F2.8
  • Inexpensive. ~$330 for a Canon mount version.
  • Heavier than the 17-40L, but still lighter than most ultra-wide.
  • Lens cap that actually stays. (very important for a bulb shape front element)

Samyang 14 Con:

  • All MANUAL, including focus & aperture. Need to learn to focus at f2.8 then stop down to shooting aperture. Not for action unless pre-focus.
  • No electrical contacts. No focus confirmation. No aperture info on EXIF.
  • Strange center bulb shape distortion, but 3rd party profile for Lightroom works pretty well. I think PTLens also has a profile.
  • Cannot use filter

Samyang 14mm f2.8 at F4. Distortion corrected by Lightroom

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Colin Franks wrote:

oscarvdvelde wrote:

Tokina 16-28mm f/2.8 comes close.

Thanks, I'll look into that. (What did we do before Google?)

also, if instead of a zoom it has to be one prime wider than 50mm, I would go for the EF 28mm f/2.8 IS. In my experience shooting the Tokina I tend to gravitate to the 16-21 mm range and 28mm (and narrower if I only could). Maybe because I previously used the combo EF 28mm f/2.8 + Sigma 20mm f/1.8 EX. The difference between 28mm and 24mm is similar to just one step forward or backward if the subject is not too far away. On the other hand 24mm should be fine as well because one can always crop as necessary.

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Colin Franks wrote:

Well that didn't take long; it won't accept filters.

I've got a Rokinon 14mm and love it, but there is a filter system for it and the Tokina that I am looking into.  Probably will pick it up in the coming months.  FotodioX WonderPana66 system.  Hoping I can search for some other user experiences before I take the plunge, but... who knows.  I'm not in a hurry, but like the thought that some company created a solution.

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Colin Franks wrote:

Well that didn't take long; it won't accept filters.

I've got a Rokinon 14mm and love it, but there is a filter system for it and the Tokina that I am looking into. Probably will pick it up in the coming months. FotodioX WonderPana66 system. Hoping I can search for some other user experiences before I take the plunge, but... who knows. I'm not in a hurry, but like the thought that some company created a solution.

If you find a different solution. Filters are sometimes useful, but definitely not so much that I'd be willing to pay $500 for a filter holder and 2 filters. That's a little much, even if the filters needed are huge.

Actually, I found a Cokin filter set hack for the samyang

http://www.briefer.es/2013/08/como-fabricar-un-portafiltros-cokin-para-un-objetivo-angular

It's pretty ugly and I wouldn't use it for any events where you're the photographer, but otherwise it's usable.

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Pygmy wrote:

For some reason people rarely mention the tamron 17-35. I just bought one and it's a bargain for the price - it costs less than half of the canon 17-40, but it's really sharp, has great contrast and great colours. That is of course, if you buy second hand, as it's no longer in production.

Thanks for this.  I think this is what I'm looking for.  This may be a stupid question, but is this a DX lens (rendering it a 25-50 on my FF)?

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