The new ZS40 v LF1?

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The new ZS40 v LF1?
9 months ago

I know none of us has yet had a chance to shoot with or handle the new ZS40.

I wonder how it compares to the LF1.

Heading on vacation next month and had been contemplating the LF1 to go with my G6....

but now the ZS40 seems on equal footing (or have I missed something).

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Re: The new ZS40 v LF1?
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bohdanz wrote:

I know none of us has yet had a chance to shoot with or handle the new ZS40.

I wonder how it compares to the LF1.

Heading on vacation next month and had been contemplating the LF1 to go with my G6....

but now the ZS40 seems on equal footing (or have I missed something).

Thanks

Bohdan

As the ZS40 will have an EVF and a 24 - 720mm lens, it will blow the LF1 away, IMHO, if its IQ is equal to or greater than the current ZS19 - ZS30 series cameras' IQs.

Let's hope so.

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bohdanz wrote:

I know none of us has yet had a chance to shoot with or handle the new ZS40.

I wonder how it compares to the LF1.

Heading on vacation next month and had been contemplating the LF1 to go with my G6....

but now the ZS40 seems on equal footing (or have I missed something).

Thanks

Bohdan

Better by a long way!

24mm wide not 28mm as LF1

30x zoom not 7.1

48g heavier is nothing

Only slightly larger

Why did I get an LF1 for Xmas..........................

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bohdanz wrote:

I know none of us has yet had a chance to shoot with or handle the new ZS40.

I wonder how it compares to the LF1.

Heading on vacation next month and had been contemplating the LF1 to go with my G6....

but now the ZS40 seems on equal footing (or have I missed something).

Thanks

Bohdan

Here is the review

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/cameras-and-camcorders/cameras/compact-cameras/panasonic-lz40-1210535/review

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The LF1's sensor is larger and as you've noted, it's smaller. I'm keeping my LF1.

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bohdanz wrote:

I know none of us has yet had a chance to shoot with or handle the new ZS40.

I wonder how it compares to the LF1.

Heading on vacation next month and had been contemplating the LF1 to go with my G6....

but now the ZS40 seems on equal footing (or have I missed something).

Thanks

Bohdan

Here is the review

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/cameras-and-camcorders/cameras/compact-cameras/panasonic-lz40-1210535/review

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Tom,

Unfortunately that's not a review of the camera we are discussing in this thread.

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tom1234567 wrote:

bohdanz wrote:

I know none of us has yet had a chance to shoot with or handle the new ZS40.

I wonder how it compares to the LF1.

Heading on vacation next month and had been contemplating the LF1 to go with my G6....

but now the ZS40 seems on equal footing (or have I missed something).

Thanks

Bohdan

Here is the review

http://www.techradar.com/reviews/cameras-and-camcorders/cameras/compact-cameras/panasonic-lz40-1210535/review

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Tom

The review you've linked to is an LZ40 not a ZS 40, it's a budget superzoom, not a travel zoom

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The LF1's sensor is larger and as you've noted, it's smaller. I'm keeping my LF1.

DW

Dan

Yes it is smaller but not a lot. As for the sensor size, I can't see any real world difference in the ooc jpegs of my LF1 & my TZ40.

24mm is a massive advantage over 28mm.

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It is difficult to see how a 720mm equiv shining on the 18mp crammed on to a 1/2.3" sensor is going to blow anything away least of all a recent more sensibly configured 12mp on a 1/1.7"sensor camera. The sensor may have improved though and seeing the Raw coming off such a small densely populated sensor will be interesting.

The ZS35 sounds the more sensible option.

joel artino wrote:

bohdanz wrote:

I know none of us has yet had a chance to shoot with or handle the new ZS40.

I wonder how it compares to the LF1.

Heading on vacation next month and had been contemplating the LF1 to go with my G6....

but now the ZS40 seems on equal footing (or have I missed something).

Thanks

Bohdan

As the ZS40 will have an EVF and a 24 - 720mm lens, it will blow the LF1 away, IMHO, if its IQ is equal to or greater than the current ZS19 - ZS30 series cameras' IQs.

Let's hope so.

Joel

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Massive difference between 24 and 28? I don't think so. My FZ70 has a 20 and imo, it's not that different than a 24.

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It is difficult to see how a 720mm equiv shining on the 18mp crammed on to a 1/2.3" sensor is going to blow anything away least of all a recent more sensibly configured 12mp on a 1/1.7"sensor camera. The sensor may have improved though and seeing the Raw coming off such a small densely populated sensor will be interesting.

The ZS35 sounds the more sensible option.

joel artino wrote:

bohdanz wrote:

I know none of us has yet had a chance to shoot with or handle the new ZS40.

I wonder how it compares to the LF1.

Heading on vacation next month and had been contemplating the LF1 to go with my G6....

but now the ZS40 seems on equal footing (or have I missed something).

Thanks

Bohdan

As the ZS40 will have an EVF and a 24 - 720mm lens, it will blow the LF1 away, IMHO, if its IQ is equal to or greater than the current ZS19 - ZS30 series cameras' IQs.

Let's hope so.

Joel

Greynerd,

Sometimes specs are just specs with no significant difference in real world usage.  Several photographers on this site have produced images using ZS series cameras that easily equal or exceed anything i have seen coming out of an LF1 camera.  The proof is in the output, not rhetoric or specs.

Let's wait until we see images produced before drawing any conclusions as to what these new cameras are capable of.

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Massive difference between 24 and 28? I don't think so. My FZ70 has a 20 and imo, it's not that different than a 24.

DW

Dan,

Of course it depends on what you are trying to accomplish, but I wouldn't give up my 24mm LX7 for all the 28mm P&S cameras on the planet.  For some street scenes, interior shots and scenics shots, 28mm is just too limiting, IMHO.

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Dan W wrote:

Massive difference between 24 and 28? I don't think so. My FZ70 has a 20 and imo, it's not that different than a 24.

DW

Dan,

Of course it depends on what you are trying to accomplish, but I wouldn't give up my 24mm LX7 for all the 28mm P&S cameras on the planet.  For some street scenes, interior shots and scenics shots, 28mm is just too limiting, IMHO.

Joel

Joel,

Sure, the wider the better in some situations. I just don't find a 28mm to be particularly limiting. Some of my best shots last year were taken with a 45mm equivalent lens. Would they have been somehow better with a 20 or 24 of equal quality? That's hard to say.

I have a nice fisheye converter for Sony NEX that turns a 24mm equiv. into something really wide, a 10 I think. The images are nice but it's too wide for most applications.

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The LF1's sensor is larger and as you've noted, it's smaller. I'm keeping my LF1.

DW

Yeah, don't be fooled by numbers alone. The LF1 has the larger sensor, same as the LX7 (though different use of it). I also noticed recently that the FZ200 also has a smaller sensor than the LF1 and LX7. There is a reason why many turn to the latter two cameras as compact alternatives, and why Leica chooses to produce their versions of those cameras.

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bohdanz wrote:

I know none of us has yet had a chance to shoot with or handle the new ZS40.

I wonder how it compares to the LF1.

Heading on vacation next month and had been contemplating the LF1 to go with my G6....

but now the ZS40 seems on equal footing (or have I missed something).

Thanks

Bohdan

The ZS40 looks like a really cool camera and for a lot of people it may be the only camera they need. I just had a quick look at it and compared to the LF1 I see three main differences that stand out. Because it has a massive focal length the camera is bigger than the LF1. By itself this would probably be well worth it for many people. The sensor is smaller and the lens is slower. This means that used in the same conditions as the LF1 you are going to have to use a higher ISO on the ZS40. Using a higher ISO and a smaller sensor is going to produce more noise in the images. Depending on the size you view your images this may or may not be a big deal. And shooting at base ISO you may not notice much difference between these cameras. It's the same with the FZ200 where, because of it's fast lens, you can keep the ISO relatively low allowing it to compete well with larger cameras.

It's all about tradeoffs and how you plan to use the camera.

-Tim

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Timj351 wrote:

bohdanz wrote:

I know none of us has yet had a chance to shoot with or handle the new ZS40.

I wonder how it compares to the LF1.

Heading on vacation next month and had been contemplating the LF1 to go with my G6....

but now the ZS40 seems on equal footing (or have I missed something).

Thanks

Bohdan

The ZS40 looks like a really cool camera and for a lot of people it may be the only camera they need. I just had a quick look at it and compared to the LF1 I see three main differences that stand out. Because it has a massive focal length the camera is bigger than the LF1. By itself this would probably be well worth it for many people. The sensor is smaller and the lens is slower. This means that used in the same conditions as the LF1 you are going to have to use a higher ISO on the ZS40. Using a higher ISO and a smaller sensor is going to produce more noise in the images. Depending on the size you view your images this may or may not be a big deal. And shooting at base ISO you may not notice much difference between these cameras. It's the same with the FZ200 where, because of it's fast lens, you can keep the ISO relatively low allowing it to compete well with larger cameras.

It's all about tradeoffs and how you plan to use the camera.

-Tim

28-200/2.0-5.9 vs 24-720/3.3-6.4 (equivalent FLs). LF1 is faster at 28mm eguiv. than ZS40, but quite likely that the ZS40 is faster at 200mm equiv. than LF1. Looks like an interesting camera. Just hope that it's possible to adjust contrast, sharpening, saturation and NR on ZS40 (not possible on LF1).

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bohdanz wrote:

I know none of us has yet had a chance to shoot with or handle the new ZS40.

I wonder how it compares to the LF1.

Heading on vacation next month and had been contemplating the LF1 to go with my G6....

but now the ZS40 seems on equal footing (or have I missed something).

Thanks

Bohdan

The ZS40 looks like a really cool camera and for a lot of people it may be the only camera they need. I just had a quick look at it and compared to the LF1 I see three main differences that stand out. Because it has a massive focal length the camera is bigger than the LF1. By itself this would probably be well worth it for many people. The sensor is smaller and the lens is slower. This means that used in the same conditions as the LF1 you are going to have to use a higher ISO on the ZS40. Using a higher ISO and a smaller sensor is going to produce more noise in the images. Depending on the size you view your images this may or may not be a big deal. And shooting at base ISO you may not notice much difference between these cameras. It's the same with the FZ200 where, because of it's fast lens, you can keep the ISO relatively low allowing it to compete well with larger cameras.

It's all about tradeoffs and how you plan to use the camera.

-Tim

I really am surprised and pleased what Pany has put into these two new travel cams answering what many have requested for years.  Simply amazing specs if the IQ is anything like the existing ZS cams.  Note although the LF1 lens is faster at WA ie F2 versus F3.3 the new ZS40 will be significantly faster when compared to the LF1 at 200mm as the ZS40 is F6.3 at 750mm so probably closer to F 4.5 at 200mm.  Panasonic seems to have included almost everything in the ZS40 including GPS and raw but I wish the EVF viewfinder was a little higher resolution and larger size even if protruding.  The alternate ZS35 model is equally exciting as has a swinging screen to turn out glare.  Anyone know that the list prices will be?   These innovations should make these models smash hits for travelers.  I too was tempted by the LF1 but this ZS40 trumps it if you want the tele range.

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Greynerd wrote:

It is difficult to see how a 720mm equiv shining on the 18mp crammed on to a 1/2.3" sensor is going to blow anything away least of all a recent more sensibly configured 12mp on a 1/1.7"sensor camera. The sensor may have improved though and seeing the Raw coming off such a small densely populated sensor will be interesting.

The ZS35 sounds the more sensible option.

joel artino wrote:

bohdanz wrote:

I know none of us has yet had a chance to shoot with or handle the new ZS40.

I wonder how it compares to the LF1.

Heading on vacation next month and had been contemplating the LF1 to go with my G6....

but now the ZS40 seems on equal footing (or have I missed something).

Thanks

Bohdan

As the ZS40 will have an EVF and a 24 - 720mm lens, it will blow the LF1 away, IMHO, if its IQ is equal to or greater than the current ZS19 - ZS30 series cameras' IQs.

Let's hope so.

Joel

Greynerd,

Sometimes specs are just specs with no significant difference in real world usage. Several photographers on this site have produced images using ZS series cameras that easily equal or exceed anything i have seen coming out of an LF1 camera. The proof is in the output, not rhetoric or specs.

Let's wait until we see images produced before drawing any conclusions as to what these new cameras are capable of.

Joel

In good light image quality may be very close in the LF1 zoom ranges.  But your indoor shots will all need flash or a very still subject.  I am sure the ZS40 will be fine for some, but it will never match the LF1 in low light at 28mm and the LF1 will have a slight advantage on higher ISO's needed when zoomed.  The reality most photo beyond the range of the LF1 are going to be mediocre at best.

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Timj351 wrote:

bohdanz wrote:

I know none of us has yet had a chance to shoot with or handle the new ZS40.

I wonder how it compares to the LF1.

Heading on vacation next month and had been contemplating the LF1 to go with my G6....

but now the ZS40 seems on equal footing (or have I missed something).

Thanks

Bohdan

The ZS40 looks like a really cool camera and for a lot of people it may be the only camera they need. I just had a quick look at it and compared to the LF1 I see three main differences that stand out. Because it has a massive focal length the camera is bigger than the LF1. By itself this would probably be well worth it for many people. The sensor is smaller and the lens is slower. This means that used in the same conditions as the LF1 you are going to have to use a higher ISO on the ZS40. Using a higher ISO and a smaller sensor is going to produce more noise in the images. Depending on the size you view your images this may or may not be a big deal. And shooting at base ISO you may not notice much difference between these cameras. It's the same with the FZ200 where, because of it's fast lens, you can keep the ISO relatively low allowing it to compete well with larger cameras.

It's all about tradeoffs and how you plan to use the camera.

-Tim

Tim you said it perfectly. I think most people who really understand the ISO, Aperture, Shutter triangle the LF1 iwould be and is my choice unless I move where the sun doesnt go down.

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