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The Philosophy of Nikon Df

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eastvillager
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Re: The Philosophy of Nikon Df
In reply to sgoldswo, Jan 6, 2014

No it makes me a professional photographer. Sir your pictures are of an amatuer photographer. They're family snapshots and simple landscapes. I don't need to recap my career here but Sir I've been a professional photographer, published in about every magazine published across the world and a university instructor in photography my entire life. My last workhorse a D3 had 250,000 actuations on just that camera alone and my D700 has about the same. My new D4, 100,000 in a year. I don't collect cameras I use them.

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With respect, I have 5 cameras listed, as being currently owned the same number as you. I note some of your are the newest and most expensive models too. Does that make you a "camera collector"?

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In reply to eastvillager, Jan 6, 2014

eastvillager wrote:

No it makes me a professional photographer. Sir your pictures are of an amatuer photographer. They're family snapshots and simple landscapes. I don't need to recap my career here but Sir I've been a professional photographer, published in about every magazine published across the world and a university instructor in photography my entire life. My last workhorse a D3 had 250,000 actuations on just that camera alone and my D700 has about the same. My new D4, 100,000 in a year. I don't collect cameras I use them.

sgoldswo wrote:

With respect, I have 5 cameras listed, as being currently owned the same number as you. I note some of your are the newest and most expensive models too. Does that make you a "camera collector"?

As do I, as you'll have seen, so what's your point?

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In reply to eastvillager, Jan 6, 2014

Eastvillager, you might have 40 years experience in photography, but you need a simple basic introductory course in life skills on how to treat people with respect, accept that other's will have different needs and tastes,  without being condescending to the extreme. Your ego needs to be deflated somewhat. Wisdom hasn't reached your doorstep yet. I can help if you want. My expenses will cover the cost of the DF.

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Re: The Philosophy of Nikon Df
In reply to sgoldswo, Jan 6, 2014

Sir enjoy your cameras. Keep taking photos. Have fun. I'm out of here.

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eastvillager wrote:

No it makes me a professional photographer. Sir your pictures are of an amatuer photographer. They're family snapshots and simple landscapes. I don't need to recap my career here but Sir I've been a professional photographer, published in about every magazine published across the world and a university instructor in photography my entire life. My last workhorse a D3 had 250,000 actuations on just that camera alone and my D700 has about the same. My new D4, 100,000 in a year. I don't collect cameras I use them.

sgoldswo wrote:

With respect, I have 5 cameras listed, as being currently owned the same number as you. I note some of your are the newest and most expensive models too. Does that make you a "camera collector"?

As do I, as you'll have seen, so what's your point?

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In reply to eastvillager, Jan 6, 2014

You are out there Sir, and we don't need your 'wisdom'. Thanks

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eastvillager wrote:

No it makes me a professional photographer. Sir your pictures are of an amatuer photographer. They're family snapshots and simple landscapes. I don't need to recap my career here but Sir I've been a professional photographer, published in about every magazine published across the world and a university instructor in photography my entire life. My last workhorse a D3 had 250,000 actuations on just that camera alone and my D700 has about the same. My new D4, 100,000 in a year. I don't collect cameras I use them.

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With respect, I have 5 cameras listed, as being currently owned the same number as you. I note some of your are the newest and most expensive models too. Does that make you a "camera collector"?

Eastvillager, I'm also a working pro. I have no idea of what your skill set is or who you really are; not that it matters.

My work is very basic. I do product shots, line sheets, still life, occasional set shooting for film, mural sized prints for exhibitions/shows and so on. No, my work is not in magazines. I have not ever tried to shoot for the New Yorker.

But I do pretty darn well with "easy" stuff. My other usage is for family and yachting, the latter being something I've been contracted for this season coming up.

So here's why I like the Df:

1) Smaller and lighter than my D800

2) Smaller files

3) Great IQ at high ISO with minimum of PP fuss.

4) Dual mode interface (dials or command wheels) is more flexible than my D800.

5) FUN to use (absolutely subjective)

The only other FX option would have been the D610, a camera that I don't find as comfortable to hold as my D800 or Df and really adds nothing to my kit.

Now let's move on to the two people I know who bought the Df to work along side their D4. They did this to have D4 IQ and workflow that is identical, yet available in a much smaller package. Both absolutely love the Df. As Moose Peterson said, "They get it."

So can you provide a concise reason why the Df was not a good pick?

Cheers,

Robert

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D is for Digital, F is for film.
In reply to Richard Murdey, Jan 6, 2014

D is for Digital, F is for film. I had hoped Nikon would live up to their promise of the F6 not being Nikon's last film camera — by supplying a film back for this camera. Unlikely, but perhaps the next iteration will honor that commitment ... ?

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Re: D is for Digital, F is for film.
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D is for Digital, F is for film. I had hoped Nikon would live up to their promise of the F6 not being Nikon's last film camera — by supplying a film back for this camera. Unlikely, but perhaps the next iteration will honor that commitment ... ?

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A film back for a DSLR? What an engineering nightmare. While were at it, how about glass plates?

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Re: It really is quite simple...
In reply to Mr Gadget, Jan 6, 2014

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The Df is what it is...

There's always next time.

If it works for you, buy it.

Maybe if they slashed the price in half.

If it doesn't work for you, don't buy it.

That's logical.

Pretty simple, at least to me.

Your "normal" some people are more complicated.

This whole topic has been ground to death.
It does feel that way.
BTW: I was among the group that was disappointed with how the Df was executed and priced, once it was clear what it did and didn't do, I went on with my life.

That's what adults do..

It's just a camera.

Not according to some people.

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Re: D is for Digital, F is for film.
In reply to Robin Casady, Jan 6, 2014

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A film back for a DSLR? What an engineering nightmare. While were at it, how about glass plates?

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no need to be close-minded or sarcastic Robin. nikon has a published patent for a digital back on film cameras.

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/12/17/nikon-patents-a-digital-back-for-35mm-film-slr-cameras.aspx/

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Re: The Philosophy of Nikon Df
In reply to Jay Paul H, Jan 6, 2014

I originally purchased my Df as a backup to my D800.  I like shooting with the Df so much, I've relegated the Df to general photography and the D800 to only photography that requires fine detail (like macro).  I also sold my D600 to a trade-in site for about $1200.

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In reply to eastvillager, Jan 6, 2014

Since I use only the + focus points, 51 focus points is not an issue with me (I don't do action photography).  I don't do video of any type on my DSLR cameras.  I would like to have the 1/8000 sec shutter but to tell you the truth, I've never used it.  It would be nice to have two storage slots but I don't miss it because on my D800 the second slot is configured to take the overflow from the first card (which I never had to use yet).  The faster frame rate of the D4 is not an issue as I don't shoot action photographs.  Part of the weight of the D4 is the larger motor drive and battery.  One of the things I like about the Df is that it's lighter than my D800.  That's one of the reasons why I didn't purchase a D4.  My first camera was a Nikon F Photomic F that I used in photography classes while I was in college in the 60s.  I weighed my F3HP and it turned out to be heavier than my Df.  If Nikon comes out with a Df that has the D800 sensor, I'll buy it and sell my D800.

The Df really does a better job at high ISO photography than the D800.

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In reply to Rick_Hunter, Jan 6, 2014

It's my understanding that the Df body is made of magnesium with a plastic subframe.

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Re: this is why I now use D610 as backup to my D4 & passed on the DF
In reply to jenella, Jan 6, 2014

I press the Fn button and spin the command dial to turn AutoISO on and off. When AutoISO is on, whatever is set on the dial is the base sensitivity.

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Re: D is for Digital, F is for film.
In reply to nunatak, Jan 6, 2014

Digital backs for film cameras?  They tried and failed in the 90s.  They are trying again.  The original version almost made it to market.

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In reply to Scott McMorrow, Jan 6, 2014

development cost?

The D4 is at the end of it's product life the development cost should have already been paid for. I am pretty sure the D4 was a success, and that in the next year (month) there is going to be a successor (D4s?).

Of course this is speculation, but here is fact.

2 year old sensor, still one of the best, buy 2 years old.

3 year old auto focus (D7000) what good is ISO 25k if you can't focus?

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In reply to Richard Murdey, Jan 6, 2014

It is nice to see Nikon users argue with each other and not Canonians.

For me if there is a line to buy a product - it is successful.
Obviously Df will not be usable for pros but on the other hand it was never meant to. And I think it is improper to compare it with D4 even though these share the same sensor. The market niches of both cameras are completely different.

I think it's none since to pay the money people pay for Leica and Leica lenses but since there is a market consumers get what they desire. I'll be happy if Nikon has hit the spot with Df. I would love to buy this camera but with it's current price tag it seems unlikely.

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In reply to eastvillager, Jan 6, 2014

eastvillager wrote:

Seems you forgot an awful lot more. How about 51 focus points on the D4 vs. 39 on the DF, D4 has HD video, D4 has much longer battery life, D4 has 2 storage slots, D4 has faster higher shutter speed 1/8000 sec on D4. Add in your mentioned D4 has twice the FPS and is built like a tank,

I agree with all of the comments above. I do have a problem with the following however:

the DF with its tinker toy buttons is a rip off at half the price.

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You are so wrong!
In reply to Simon Garrett, Jan 6, 2014

you clearly fail to see that just by leaving out  modern electronics and controls you will be able to take much better photos!

Your landscape photos suck because you had to set the shutter speed with a little plastic wheel?

Fear no more! On the Df you can set the aperture with a large metal wheel on top of the camera and your pics will be stunning!

Your long exposures leave something to be desired and are not creative?

Worry not! By using a mechanical remote shutter wire that your grandpa used, you can now also attain the photographic perfection that a wireless remote had denied you for so many years!

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Matt wrote:

you clearly fail to see that just by leaving out modern electronics and controls you will be able to take much better photos!

Your landscape photos suck because you had to set the shutter speed with a little plastic wheel?

Fear no more! On the Df you can set the aperture with a large metal wheel on top of the camera and your pics will be stunning!

Your long exposures leave something to be desired and are not creative?

Ah, thanks, now it makes sense!

Worry not! By using a mechanical remote shutter wire that your grandpa used, you can now also attain the photographic perfection that a wireless remote had denied you for so many years!

Watch it - I've still got one of those.  It was my father's, though.

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