Nikon DF, the ultimate in shallow posturing?

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Nikon DF, the ultimate in shallow posturing?
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Why no manual focus aids? Why?

Dials don't mean crap, AF system is mediocre to boot.

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ApertureAcolyte wrote:

Why no manual focus aids? Why?

Dials don't mean crap, AF system is mediocre to boot.

So, vote with your wallet. Simple!

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The rangefinder/green light works pretty well, and in decent light the screen actually allows for manual focus by eye in my experience.

Thing is, if Nikon had put a split rangefinder/prism screen in it, we would now be inundated with complaints about how it is unusable at f/5.6

I tried my 80-400 AF-S with the F3, which most agree is the nicest viewfinder Nikon ever made. Fact is you couldn't use it much above 300mm wide open, as it blacked out one half.

On the posturing front, I feel a lot less like a poseur with my Df than I do with my D800 round my neck, not that that bothers me of course, but I find it amusing that people associate posing less with a pro looking camera than an amateur looking one.

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ApertureAcolyte wrote:

Why no manual focus aids? Why?

Dials don't mean crap, AF system is mediocre to boot.

Speaking of shallow, in the dof sense:

Manual focusing works just fine with the Df, in my experience.  AF system works fine too...

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RaajS wrote:

ApertureAcolyte wrote:

Why no manual focus aids? Why?

Dials don't mean crap, AF system is mediocre to boot.

Speaking of shallow, in the dof sense:

Manual focusing works just fine with the Df, in my experience. AF system works fine too...

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I love it when mere assertion is responded to with fact, and a beautiful one too.  Thanks.

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On it's worst day of shooting, every single frame taken by the Df will look better in every possible way than your EM5.

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ApertureAcolyte wrote:

Why no manual focus aids? Why?

Dials don't mean crap, AF system is mediocre to boot.

Thank you for your insightful contribution...

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philharris wrote:

The rangefinder/green light works pretty well, and in decent light the screen actually allows for manual focus by eye in my experience.

Thing is, if Nikon had put a split rangefinder/prism screen in it, we would now be inundated with complaints about how it is unusable at f/5.6

I tried my 80-400 AF-S with the F3, which most agree is the nicest viewfinder Nikon ever made. Fact is you couldn't use it much above 300mm wide open, as it blacked out one half.

On the posturing front, I feel a lot less like a poseur with my Df than I do with my D800 round my neck, not that that bothers me of course, but I find it amusing that people associate posing less with a pro looking camera than an amateur looking one.

Good luck getting a pin point accurate focus with the green light or eyeballing it at f1.4 1/60

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RaajS wrote:

ApertureAcolyte wrote:

Why no manual focus aids? Why?

Dials don't mean crap, AF system is mediocre to boot.

Speaking of shallow, in the dof sense:

Manual focusing works just fine with the Df, in my experience. AF system works fine too...

Cheers,

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Good one Raj!

I also find the Df easy to manually focus.

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Not sure what you are trying to express, but if this is typical for you, than you are going to earn another "ignore user" non-follower.

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ApertureAcolyte wrote:

Why no manual focus aids? Why?

Nikon has explained this. It seems they wanted to keep the viewfinder uncluttered -presumably because market research has shown that users prefer this. As several posts have correctly noted it is not possible to make screen aids, such as microprism collars, that work well across the full range of maximum apertures. Nikon has provided, with many of its DSLRs, the >o< viewfinder focus aid that works quite well for manual focusing and is not tied to the centre of the focusing screen. IMHO if that symbology could somehow be combined with the active focus point, rather than stuck below, then it would be perfect. The Df is a modern DSLR with retro touches, many users will use it mostly in AF and to hamper that functionality by harking back to the FM2 viewfinder would not have been wise.

Dials don't mean crap,

No, they are way of setting values directly and easily assessing how those settings currently stand without reference to the viewfinder or an LCD window. Whether that appeals to you will be down to which cameras you owned previously and whether any of them needed that old fashioned media called film. Personally experience would dictate if I owned a Df I would favour white lettering on black dials, but actually I am now quite used to Nikon's modern interface.

AF system is mediocre to boot.

Not mediocre, just not the best they make; still a long way from mediocre. This is specification choice is down to, probably, size, weight, power and lastly product differentiation - Nikon make a high speed, high performance camera with this sensor and its called the D4s(?). If the Df is aimed mostly at the slower, more considered photographer then blistering AF performance is not a high priority.

Now if you want to catch more fish can I suggest you slow the boat down and use smaller, more attractive bait?

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Not as shallow as the ubiquitous tourists  with big Canon's,  D800's, 24-70 bazooka's plus lens hood for extra length  that I see getting off just about every tourist bus. These rigs are even too big to pack away and still see them hanging off peoples necks at airports where you cant take photos due to security.. I like to posture in comfort. Df  plus prime fits the bill.  If you find it too hard to manual focus with  the Df you will have worse problems with everything else. Focus  peaking sounds right for you.

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I think it is the post that started this thread that is the ultimate in shallow posturing.

It has become fashionable in certain circles to bash the Df, as if one knows what one is talking about, based on some simplistic criticisms based on specs alone, without having actually owned or used one extensively.

The OP typifies this.  The criticism adds nothing to useful analysis of the camera, and is a simplistic repeat of what others have said, without drawing from any personal experience with the camera.

In other words, it's useless posturing.

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Thoughts R Us wrote:

I think it is the post that started this thread that is the ultimate in shallow posturing.

It has become fashionable in certain circles to bash the Df, as if one knows what one is talking about, based on some simplistic criticisms based on specs alone, without having actually owned or used one extensively.

The OP typifies this. The criticism adds nothing to useful analysis of the camera, and is a simplistic repeat of what others have said, without drawing from any personal experience with the camera.

In other words, it's useless posturing.

i'm neither pro nor con for the Df.......it's simply a matter of u like what u like for whatever reasons u like. the same can be said for "dislike".

however, if there's anything to be learned from this continued "Df flood of threads", it's certainly

DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.

i get what u're saying, but IF people would cease even responding to the OP as if it was a sincere/legitimate post, these TROLLS would go away.

this one will likely limit out at 150, just as the poster intended. sorry to have to add my post to the overall number.

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philharris wrote:

The rangefinder/green light works pretty well, and in decent light the screen actually allows for manual focus by eye in my experience.

Thing is, if Nikon had put a split rangefinder/prism screen in it, we would now be inundated with complaints about how it is unusable at f/5.6

I tried my 80-400 AF-S with the F3, which most agree is the nicest viewfinder Nikon ever made. Fact is you couldn't use it much above 300mm wide open, as it blacked out one half.

On the posturing front, I feel a lot less like a poseur with my Df than I do with my D800 round my neck, not that that bothers me of course1.2, but I find it amusing that people associate posing less with a pro looking camera than an amateur looking one.

Good luck getting a pin point accurate focus with the green light or eyeballing it at f1.4 1/60

I don't know about 1.4 but I can do it at 1.2 all day long.  In the image I posted, I can count the eyelashes.  Shot at 1.2.

Cheers,

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Are there any manual focusing aids that actually work, or are they all just "ballpark" focusing aids?

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ApertureAcolyte wrote:

Why no manual focus aids? Why?

Dials don't mean crap, AF system is mediocre to boot.

In other words... I don't like it so how can anyone else?  Isn't that what you really are saying?  It's your hang-up, not the user of the Df's hangup.

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