full frame fuel - what can you make of this patent?

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VaLeX
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Dec 26, 2013

I've just spotted this patent:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fegami.blog.so-net.ne.jp%2F2013-01-08

It's a Ricoh 60 mm F 2.8 Macro, full frame with image stabilization. Two issues that amaze me:
- Ricoh branded lenses? Is this something new?
- Is this a possible indicator of a Ricoh-Pentax full frame in the future? I don't know what to make of the info and comments poorly translated from japanese. Is this a lens for the 645 system?

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In reply to VaLeX, Dec 26, 2013

VaLeX wrote:

I've just spotted this patent:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fegami.blog.so-net.ne.jp%2F2013-01-08

It's a Ricoh 60 mm F 2.8 Macro, full frame with image stabilization. Two issues that amaze me:

Yes, that one came up a few months ago. The patent is, basically, some unique design option in construction of a 60mm macro lens for an FF sensor size, and in Ricoh's opinion it deserves to be patented — rather than borrowing a different patent from an other optical company.

- Ricoh branded lenses? Is this something new?

Only an individual and legal corporate entity can apply for a patent. Pentax is just a brand name — not a legal entity. So Ricoh and Ricoh Imaging can apply for patents, but Pentax cannot because it is not a company.

- Is this a possible indicator of a Ricoh-Pentax full frame in the future? I don't know what to make of the info and comments poorly translated from japanese. Is this a lens for the 645 system?

It may mean anything and nothing. Ricoh Imaging is an optics company, and their daily job is designing everything and anything re optical formulas for different sorts of things, from security cameras, to photo equipment lenses, etc.

For example, during the 80's and 90's, Asahi Optical was selling its multicoating patent application process to virtually all optics companies (except Leica for a little while) and was steadily collecting royalties through it.

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VaLeX wrote:

I've just spotted this patent:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fegami.blog.so-net.ne.jp%2F2013-01-08

Are you sure that's the correct link?

It's a Ricoh 60 mm F 2.8 Macro, full frame with image stabilization. Two issues that amaze me:
- Ricoh branded lenses? Is this something new?

The patent is filed under the company's name, Ricoh Imaging in our case. Few years ago, Pentax patents were filed under Hoya Corporation.

That doesn't say anything about which product brand Ricoh Imaging would launch the lens, if they will launch it (that's not guaranteed, either). It could very well be a Pentax HD D FA 60mm f:2.8.

- Is this a possible indicator of a Ricoh-Pentax full frame in the future? I don't know what to make of the info and comments poorly translated from japanese. Is this a lens for the 645 system?

The patent covers (but is not limited to) 3 possible sensor sizes: APS-C, 135 and 645. We don't know if and how it would make into a product.

Alex

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Alex Sarbu wrote:

VaLeX wrote:

I've just spotted this patent:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fegami.blog.so-net.ne.jp%2F2013-01-08

Are you sure that's the correct link?

Sorry, Google translate messed my link. This is the correct one, in japanese:

http://egami.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2013-11-16

And this is with google translate:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fegami.blog.so-net.ne.jp%2F2013-11-16

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Hi,

As others have said a 60mm patent keeps on re-appearing.  This must by the third time in as many years.  Many patents are filed that we never actually see as retailed camera lenses.  I guess there's a possibility that it may one day be used as a new FF lens (or APSC for that matter)  but that's just speculation.

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I was at this local Pentax dealer. A Pentax/Ricoh representative drop by and I overheard he talking to the store staff about full frame coming out on April 1st  He blinked an eye to me and say: "don't be mislead by the fool's day coincidence, we got plenty of patents"  

He left as swifltly as he arrived...

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Unexpresivecanvas wrote:

I was at this local Pentax dealer. A Pentax/Ricoh representative drop by and I overheard he talking to the store staff about full frame coming out on April 1st He blinked an eye to me and say: "don't be mislead by the fool's day coincidence, we got plenty of patents"

He left as swifltly as he arrived...

Certainly sounds "like a plan" to me, dude. Consider a couple of things:

1. The Pentax lens lineup CONTINUES to include a variety of older lenses that were made during the FILM days and thus are automatically compatible with a FF sensor (including the three highly-praised "Limited" lenses). Then consider that in addition to this, NEW Pentax lenses have been released in recent years (such as the D FA 100mm Macro F 2.8, SPRING, 2010 -- there's a full review of this then-NEW lens in my May 2010 issue of Popular Photography -- if you save old issues, the quick way to find it is to look for the copy with Halle Berry lying on the beach on the cover). HOWEVER, the six PREMIUM lenses developed for Pentax DSLRs during the past decade have ALL been designed EXCLUSIVELY for APS-C sensors, meaning they'll vignette on FF-sensor cameras. That makes it QUITE POSSIBLE and VERY LIKELY that assuming Ricoh IS in the works of bringing out a FF model it's ALSO in the works of bringing out REPLACEMENTS for at least a few of those lenses, which is what that 60mm lens could be (Based on Lens Model Letters, I still see ONLY SIX that seem to indicate they're FF compatible... the 100mm and 50mm macros, plus the FA 50mm F1.4, and the three Limited lenses: 77, 43 and 31mm -- so unless a good many of the DA lenses WILL work on a FF body without cropping, Ricoh DOES have some new lenses to bring out to support any FF camera!)

2. When that sales rep. spoke of April Fool's Day with a wink in his eye, well, I'd take him SERIOUSLY. I think MOST OF US recall how the RELEASE of the "NEW PENTAX K-3" was loudly trumpeted online on April 1, 2012, only to be an April Fool's Joke. But the FUNNY THING is that although they were still to bring forth two revised models of the K-5 AFTER THAT, the PICTURES of the "K-3" that ran with that bogus story ended up being EXACTLY 100% CORRECT! They WERE NOT some "Photoshopped" K-5 "knockoff" to simulate a new Pentax APS-C which we ALL (correctly) assumed would be called the K-3; rather it appears they were ACTUAL PHOTOS of the exterior body of a camera that was still 18 months out!

So I wouldn't be at all surprised to not only see a FF Pentax this coming spring, but also SEVERAL new HD lenses to go with it!

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