Is the D610 a Significant Upgrade Over a D700?

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Rob Tomlin
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Is the D610 a Significant Upgrade Over a D700?
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Been a long time since I've posted here.  I've had my D700 since the camera was first released, so I've had it for over 5 years.

Overall I am still happy with the IQ that I get from my D700, but I was thinking that after 5 years that Nikon would have come out with a replacement that would provide improvements in most areas over the D700.

I'm not interested in the D800 because of the huge file sizes for those 36.3 megapixel images.

The D610 seems like the file sizes would be at least a bit more manageable.  However, I rarely print larger than 11x14.

In what way would the D610 be an upgrade over the D700 beside the increased resolution?  I know it has HD Video, but I have a dedicated HD Camcorder, so not sure how important that would be to me.

Any improvements in areas like AF?  Is the sensor improved over the D700?

Seems like I could sell my D700 and upgrade to a D610 without having to shell out a lot of cash, but I'm still not sure if it's worth doing?

Thanks for any opinions on this.

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Rob Tomlin wrote:

Been a long time since I've posted here. I've had my D700 since the camera was first released, so I've had it for over 5 years.

Overall I am still happy with the IQ that I get from my D700, but I was thinking that after 5 years that Nikon would have come out with a replacement that would provide improvements in most areas over the D700.

I'm not interested in the D800 because of the huge file sizes for those 36.3 megapixel images.

The D610 seems like the file sizes would be at least a bit more manageable. However, I rarely print larger than 11x14.

In what way would the D610 be an upgrade over the D700 beside the increased resolution? I know it has HD Video, but I have a dedicated HD Camcorder, so not sure how important that would be to me.

Any improvements in areas like AF? Is the sensor improved over the D700?

Seems like I could sell my D700 and upgrade to a D610 without having to shell out a lot of cash, but I'm still not sure if it's worth doing?

Thanks for any opinions on this.

The D700 is still a great camera. The D610 is will give you significantly improved dynamic range in addition to the increased resolution. Autofocus is a mixed bag. D610 is good down to f8, but has the AF points more tightly clustered. Best bet is to see a D610 in person to see if you like it's handling. It will be different than the D700 and this might end up being the more significant deciding factor. The D800 is more of a natural successor to the D700 in terms of control layout/handling.

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In reply to Rob Tomlin, 8 months ago

Rob Tomlin wrote:

Been a long time since I've posted here. I've had my D700 since the camera was first released, so I've had it for over 5 years.

Overall I am still happy with the IQ that I get from my D700, but I was thinking that after 5 years that Nikon would have come out with a replacement that would provide improvements in most areas over the D700.

I'm not interested in the D800 because of the huge file sizes for those 36.3 megapixel images.

The D610 seems like the file sizes would be at least a bit more manageable. However, I rarely print larger than 11x14.

In what way would the D610 be an upgrade over the D700 beside the increased resolution? I know it has HD Video, but I have a dedicated HD Camcorder, so not sure how important that would be to me.

Any improvements in areas like AF? Is the sensor improved over the D700?

Seems like I could sell my D700 and upgrade to a D610 without having to shell out a lot of cash, but I'm still not sure if it's worth doing?

Thanks for any opinions on this.

To my mind the AF  differences are incremental in different modes..

The D600 (D610 is in essence the same camera IQ, AF and operation wise) is lighter (good or bad depending on your personal taste

Res is doubled and worthwhile only if you crop or 'want to' crop more from your existing D700 files

IQ is a personal taste too.. I like it a little more than D700 but a lot more than either the D700 or D300 i came from

Personally I could live with the D700 again quite happily ( was very fond of the high ISO ability).. but, barring the weight and lack of video.

If you like what you have already and not struggling for more DR perhaps, I'd spend some money on better glass if you are in that position.

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In reply to Rob Tomlin, 8 months ago

I have a friend with a D600 and the extra resolution and improved ISO performance is noticeable when I pull the images up on my monitor.  But I do like the build and layout of the D700 better.

I too rarely print larger than 11x14, and for my uses, the D600 does not add anything that would improve my photography.  The day when I get a job whereby the D700 cannot fulfil my needs... is when I will upgrade to a D800e.  (I'd get a D4 it it was not beyond what I'm willing to pay!)

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IQ and DR wise, I believe the D6xx are an upgrade over D700. However, build wise and FPS wise, it is not. But I think it is a wash, given the D6xx have redundancy in terms of two card slots. It is more important to me to have that backup than just a great build and  high fps. Also, the D700 focus points are more spread out while D6xx are scrunched up in the middle, but it can AFS down to f8 glass. So it is a wash in my mind.

If you are more about getting better DR and IQ, and want to have a better ability to crop, then I think the D6xx is better fit than the D700.

Said that, in the right hands, both camera  will take  great  photos.

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In reply to Rob Tomlin, 8 months ago

I don't think you should worry about the file sizes of the D800 in a couple of years most cameras will have more mps than the D800.

In terms of quality for an upgrade the D610 will give you better DR than the D700 as well as more cropping capability, and arguably better high ISO performance. But you then lose out by moving from a Pro camera to a consumer camera in some aspects but gain in others.

If you are stalling on the D800 due to the high Mps then I'd wait until all SLRs have the same MP count and then buy the D800. The high MPs on the D800 is an over-hyped problem unless you are a pro photographer who does not invest in his computing power, and why would a pro photographer do that?

The D700 was Nikons first attempt to bring FX to the masses although in a pro body.

The D600/610 is the first attempt to lower the entry point into FX hance why it has consumer facilities.

So yes it is a significant upgrade as it applies to a lot more photographers than the D700 ever did.

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romfordbluenose wrote:

So yes it is a significant upgrade as it applies to a lot more photographers than the D700 ever did.

That's pretty much the only point I disagree with.

I think the D600 category (entry-level Full-Frame) is a marketing decision more than anything else. What Nikon hopes for, is that people will get the D600 (now D610) as a stepping stone to something bigger (dare I call it a bait & switch approach?). Of course, that means more $$$ for Nikon.

Sure, everyone has been wanting an "affordable FX body", but that is definitely not what the D600/610 is. People began lusting over an FX body when the D3/D700 came out - and let's face it, their sensor was revolutionary compared to the D2x/D200 to a much greater extent than what the D600 to D700 difference is.

But right now, DX sensors have become much, much better (not to mention the mirrorless market shuffling the deck even further).

Personally, I think FX is something casual photographers don't need (hopefully I don't sound arrogant - I simply mean those who wonder whether they need FX usually don't).

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Rob Tomlin wrote:

Been a long time since I've posted here. I've had my D700 since the camera was first released, so I've had it for over 5 years.

Overall I am still happy with the IQ that I get from my D700, but I was thinking that after 5 years that Nikon would have come out with a replacement that would provide improvements in most areas over the D700.

I'm not interested in the D800 because of the huge file sizes for those 36.3 megapixel images.

The D610 seems like the file sizes would be at least a bit more manageable. However, I rarely print larger than 11x14.

In what way would the D610 be an upgrade over the D700 beside the increased resolution? I know it has HD Video, but I have a dedicated HD Camcorder, so not sure how important that would be to me.

Any improvements in areas like AF? Is the sensor improved over the D700?

Seems like I could sell my D700 and upgrade to a D610 without having to shell out a lot of cash, but I'm still not sure if it's worth doing?

Thanks for any opinions on this.

A couple of observations from someone that doesn't have either a D700 or D600 or D800, so for what it is worth...

I am heavily invested in Nikon DX glass and really don't have the need to print much larger than 18x12 or 11x14, my weapon of choice since 2006 has been the D2x which is really getting long in the tooth, so I have been waiting and waiting for the mythical unicorn D400. I recently picked up a D7100 when Amazon had one of their flash sales for under $900.

I believe the D7100 body and D600 are basically the same, build wise. I had anticipated that the build quality and feel of the D7100 would be disappointing, totally wrong. The D7100 feels good in my hands, controls seem to be where I expected them. I haven't given it the drop it out of the back seat of my lifted 4x4 pick up, like I did my D2x, but then it didn't survive too well either. I doubt that you would be too disappointed in the build quality of the D610. I miss the dedicated AF-On button and the built in view finder shade and the lack of a 10 pin connector and PC socket to be somewhat of a PITA.

File size - going from 12mpx to 24mpx does create a processing slow down with my somewhat ancient overclocked Q6600 quad core processor. If you are concerned about the D800 file size, you may find the file size from the D610 an issue as well.

Autofocus with the D7100 CAM 3500 51pt AF system is a major upgrade over my D2x, so you may find the D610 39pt AF system to be a down grade.

I guess you summed it up pretty well with your comment that the price difference between selling your D700 and buying a D610 is very small gives a pretty strong signal that even though used, a D700 still offers a lot of quality for the money...

Good luck with this one... If I had a D700 and some quality FX glass I wouldn't be looking for anything better...

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In reply to Mr Gadget, 8 months ago

Thanks for some excellent responses.

The way that I'm reading this is that I would get some benefits from the D610 over my D700, but I'd actually be taking a step backwards in a few areas as well.

Better dynamic range is certainly a plus that I would enjoy.  More resolution would also be nice.  Sounds like higher ISO performance is only slightly better.  But to actually have a downgrade in AF ability (even if slight), and a consumer type of body instead of the pro feel of my D700, I'm thinking that upgrading to the D610 from my D700 doesn't make much sense.

I think this really goes to show what a breakthrough camera the D700 really was, given it's been on the market for more than 5 years.

If I'm going to upgrade, I'm probably going to need to look closer at the D800 despite the huge file sizes.

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Rob Tomlin wrote:

Thanks for some excellent responses.

The way that I'm reading this is that I would get some benefits from the D610 over my D700, but I'd actually be taking a step backwards in a few areas as well.

Better dynamic range is certainly a plus that I would enjoy. More resolution would also be nice. Sounds like higher ISO performance is only slightly better. But to actually have a downgrade in AF ability (even if slight), and a consumer type of body instead of the pro feel of my D700, I'm thinking that upgrading to the D610 from my D700 doesn't make much sense.

I think this really goes to show what a breakthrough camera the D700 really was, given it's been on the market for more than 5 years.

If I'm going to upgrade, I'm probably going to need to look closer at the D800 despite the huge file sizes.

About "consumer type of body"

In support of my ageing D300s I had buy D7100. After 1 week of using D7100 body I completely fit in a new smaller body concept and never return to D300. So I dislike D800/D700/D300 style body and found D600/D7100 with grip much more alike to D4 body in handling.

In My opinion difference which body is actually better lies in your lens choices. if you avoid using of f/2.8 pro zooms then D600 body with grip had perfect handling.

But for "big three" f/2.8 zooms D700/D800 body more comfortable.

Differense lies around 800 g mass lens. So f/4 zooms are good for D610 but f/2.8 not.

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Rob - I've got both and the 700 is still the great camera it always was, but I never use it.

I was shooting real-estate commercially and decided I needed a second body after my 700 sensor failed during one shoot. So much for vaunted 700 quality from my POV.

I also had to replace all the rubber "skins" on mine at one point, and the front wheel on mine sticks as does the on/oof switch.

But basically the 600 sensor bests the 700 sensor and it's not subtle, especially at base ISO where the resolution and DR really stand out, but also at hi ISO where it is a full stop better at least (files viewed at same print/file size). Using in-camera NR I regularly shoot 600 JPGs to ISO Hi .7 (about 10,000) and it's quite amazing what the camera will produce. The 600 JPG engine is much better. I always considered the 700 to be a RAW only box.

A small detail never mentioned in this regard is that the "contrast" slider in the picture style menus is not disabled when you have ADL on, as it is with the 700. This means you can setup JPGs much more usefully in the 600.

For the tripod work I do the 600 Live View is also just much better.

The quieter shutter is a big plus.

U1/U2 are a big plus

I've not found the 600 build less durable in any actual way, the lighter body is nice, actually. I do miss the more direct 700 ergonomics, but am now used to the 600 button layout including assigning AF-on to the AF/AE-L button and moving exposure lock to one of the front buttons - works for me. The 600 with the Nikon grip works out to be nearly perfect for my hands handling my 14-24 - the gripped 700 always felt a little to large/heavy and the un-gripped 700 a little small for handling the 14-24.

I'd say about the only thing the 700 does better is obviously frame rate (if you have the grip) and the 51 pt system still has a bit of an edge tracking (but not hugely) - so the 700/grip is probably still a better high volume action camera, but that is not what I do, so there it sits - I should sell mine.

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Only image wise is it an upgrade.

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Rob Tomlin wrote:

Thanks for some excellent responses.

The way that I'm reading this is that I would get some benefits from the D610 over my D700, but I'd actually be taking a step backwards in a few areas as well.

Better dynamic range is certainly a plus that I would enjoy. More resolution would also be nice. Sounds like higher ISO performance is only slightly better. But to actually have a downgrade in AF ability (even if slight), and a consumer type of body instead of the pro feel of my D700, I'm thinking that upgrading to the D610 from my D700 doesn't make much sense.

I think this really goes to show what a breakthrough camera the D700 really was, given it's been on the market for more than 5 years.

If I'm going to upgrade, I'm probably going to need to look closer at the D800 despite the huge file sizes.

I think your assessment is really fair and makes it clear what an awesome camera the D700 was for it's time.  I own one and it is very easy to see why so many others LOVE this camera.  It is also clear to me why prices on the used market really haven't dropped a whole lot.  In short, used D700s are going for more than used D600s...and some of those D700s have been used heavily.

I bought mine used and the thing is a tank and always nails the shot.

That being said, I could not move to a D600; between the lack of AF point spread, AF speed, exposure bracketing frames to name a few things.  It does have pretty much the same fps as the D700 but to be honest if I had to choose between that and AF quality...I'd have to go with AF quality.

So that would leave me with the D800 that gives me everything the D700 has plus more...except for the fps speed.

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fotolopithecus wrote:

http://blog.mingthein.com/2012/09/24/nikon-d600/

Wow.

That article pretty much answers every question that I could have regarding the D700 vs the D600 and D800.  It also confirms what I said earlier: the D700 was a true breakout camera when released, and it's rather amazing that it still holds up so well more than 5 years after release (an eternity for a digital device).

Thanks for the link!

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Rob Tomlin wrote:

fotolopithecus wrote:

http://blog.mingthein.com/2012/09/24/nikon-d600/

Wow.

That article pretty much answers every question that I could have regarding the D700 vs the D600 and D800. It also confirms what I said earlier: the D700 was a true breakout camera when released, and it's rather amazing that it still holds up so well more than 5 years after release (an eternity for a digital device).

Thanks for the link!

5 years is not that long for a camera, really. The D3 is a exceptional camera and now 6 years old, the d300 plus video (s) is 6 years old and still on sale.

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golf1982 wrote:

Rob Tomlin wrote:

fotolopithecus wrote:

http://blog.mingthein.com/2012/09/24/nikon-d600/

Wow.

That article pretty much answers every question that I could have regarding the D700 vs the D600 and D800. It also confirms what I said earlier: the D700 was a true breakout camera when released, and it's rather amazing that it still holds up so well more than 5 years after release (an eternity for a digital device).

Thanks for the link!

5 years is not that long for a camera, really. The D3 is a exceptional camera and now 6 years old, the d300 plus video (s) is 6 years old and still on sale.

Oh, I think more than 5 years having gone by for Nikon's first FF camera and to see that there haven't been any significant improvements in that amount of time other than the expected higher resolution is pretty surprising.

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hi

I am thinking should it be D800 or Df and the D800- file size is putting me off but not because I am worried about computing power. Its because we have to send our images to the philippines for editing and that would take ages for raw files.

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I suppose it's a matter of your priorities.  I shoot indoor sports, so I need the best AF and high ISO that I can get.  SO I see no reason to buy a D610.  A small bodied D4, on the other hand, would be very tempting.

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