David Cameron's Xmas Card

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JulesJ
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David Cameron's Xmas Card
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Having been involved in and selling b&w family pictures for over twentyfive years, I hope you will agree that our PM Xmas Card is not a good example of excellent photography which it should be. Tom Stoddart took the picture. The B&W convertion is really bad, the resulting dark patch on Camerons face would never have left our studios. Nor would the unnecessary hiding of half the kids face. The background is confusing, she looks dopey with one lazy eye, her neck lines could have been tidied, and the kids hand appearing around Camerons neck is distraction. As I said we would not have sold this picture to a client as it would have reflected badly on our business. See the appalling result here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519507/Florence-Cameron-family-photo-Prime-Ministers-Christmas-card.html

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I agree, it really isn't good.  Apart from her half closed left eye, she also appears to have a bruise on her cheek.

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Looks like a charming card to me, and I have never been a Tory!

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Candid Cameron

Everyone looks happy, relaxed and natural. The little girl is cute as a button. Sure, it could have been taken by a ten-year-old, but so what. The Camerons have had plenty of formal portraits and fine photography. If the Camerons liked something more informal and less perfect for their family greeting, that's all that matters.

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In reply to JulesJ, 10 months ago

It's hardly an official portrait! It serves a purpose and to me looks like a natural, happy image of a family.

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JulesJ wrote:

Having been involved in and selling b&w family pictures for over twentyfive years, I hope you will agree that our PM Xmas Card is not a good example of excellent photography which it should be.

It's awful!

That the Cameron's would select a very informal shot is quite understandable. But surely they could have found a better candid than this?

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JulesJ wrote:

Having been involved in and selling b&w family pictures for over twentyfive years, I hope you will agree that our PM Xmas Card is not a good example of excellent photography which it should be. Tom Stoddart took the picture. The B&W convertion is really bad, the resulting dark patch on Camerons face would never have left our studios. Nor would the unnecessary hiding of half the kids face. The background is confusing, she looks dopey with one lazy eye, her neck lines could have been tidied, and the kids hand appearing around Camerons neck is distraction. As I said we would not have sold this picture to a client as it would have reflected badly on our business. See the appalling result here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519507/Florence-Cameron-family-photo-Prime-Ministers-Christmas-card.html

Shot specially for Daily Mail readers?

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OK as a family snap but nothing at all special. If I were an 'award winning photographer' I wouldn't be showing that one in the portfolio.

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I thought that when I saw it.  An informal snap is fine, but the background is very cluttered and distracting and it's odd to have half of the girl's face hidden.  I would have deleted it...

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I think you have been a little hard on David Cameron's Christmas card. This supposedly is the card sent out by Prince Charles, and could have with advantage been subjected to some extensive work in Photoshop.

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He looks better here.

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Albert Macfarlane wrote:

I think you have been a little hard on David Cameron's Christmas card. This supposedly is the card sent out by Prince Charles, and could have with advantage been subjected to some extensive work in Photoshop.

I wasn't being hard, purely professional. unlike the Obama haters, I don't dislike Cameron. As I stated this picture is exactly thrd domain that I make my living from. It is interesting to hear the views of different people here but I'm sorry but this is not not just an informal picture, it is a bad group portrait, and badly converted.

From what I can see the picture above if Charkes and Camilla is an excellent, professional, fun couple portrait.

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Hey Jules,

Compare this larger version of your future king's Xmas card with Cameron's.  Anyone who judges this one superior has some cognitive impairment.

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Just shows that Cameron has no sense of judgement ...

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Albert Macfarlane wrote:

Hey Jules,

Compare this larger version of your future king's Xmas card with Cameron's. Anyone who judges this one superior has some cognitive impairment.

I disagree. it's fun, clear, sharp, the colour is punch and it's a good couple portrait. Are you in this business?

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That is a terrible photo. It looks like the PM has a serious rash or dental infection going on. Really clunky choice for the background as well.

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JulesJ wrote:

Having been involved in and selling b&w family pictures for over twentyfive years, I hope you will agree that our PM Xmas Card is not a good example of excellent photography which it should be. Tom Stoddart took the picture. The B&W convertion is really bad, the resulting dark patch on Camerons face would never have left our studios. Nor would the unnecessary hiding of half the kids face. The background is confusing, she looks dopey with one lazy eye, her neck lines could have been tidied, and the kids hand appearing around Camerons neck is distraction. As I said we would not have sold this picture to a client as it would have reflected badly on our business. See the appalling result here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519507/Florence-Cameron-family-photo-Prime-Ministers-Christmas-card.html

Jules

For a card it is terrible.

For one, Cameron looks in need of immediate operation to remove a large tumor on his right cheek.

His wife's weakest point, the nose, is exposed in its full glory.

I agree, a snapshot, one of many, to be discarded, it qualifies.

As a Christmas card , or keeper in general, it does not.

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snow4ever wrote:

That is a terrible photo. It looks like the PM has a serious rash or dental infection going on. Really clunky choice for the background as well.

Find the triangle.

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JulesJ wrote:

Having been involved in and selling b&w family pictures for over twentyfive years, I hope you will agree that our PM Xmas Card is not a good example of excellent photography which it should be. Tom Stoddart took the picture. The B&W convertion is really bad, the resulting dark patch on Camerons face would never have left our studios.

What studios are those? Do they have a web site, would like to see what the comparison is all
about.

Nor would the unnecessary hiding of half the kids face. The background is confusing, she looks dopey with one lazy eye, her neck lines could have been tidied, and the kids hand appearing around Camerons neck is distraction.

That's what the Ancient Greeks would have done, the Cameron Xmas Card is more in
the Ancient Roman Style, warts and all.

As I said we would not have sold this picture to a client as it would have reflected badly on our business.

Please post some links to this business, waiting with bated breath to see how they compare.

See the appalling result here.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2519507/Florence-Cameron-family-photo-Prime-Ministers-Christmas-card.html

Jules

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You don't detect even the tiniest fingerprints of the Spin Doctors all over it ?
Someone decided he needed folksage again ?

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