Which Sony A mount camera is the best bet now?

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Which Sony A mount camera is the best bet now?
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So I have a Sony A500 which I bought in 2009. Its due for an upgrade. I actually almost decided on the A77 but backed out because I dont want to spend so much money and still get noisy photos at ISO400 (I rarely shoot over ISO 3200 but definitely shoot at 800 and 1600).

So then I thought about the A58. Wasn't sure if this is really an upgrade to my A500. Sub par LCD and EVF? Another point to note is that both the A77 and A65 are 2 years old now, so would it be better to just use my A500 for now and wait till 2014?

I currently have 3 A mount lenses (SAL70300G, SAL18250 and Minolta 50mm f/1.7)

Please give me some advice as I am going nuts

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kartikjayaraman wrote:

So I have a Sony A500 which I bought in 2009. Its due for an upgrade. I actually almost decided on the A77 but backed out because I dont want to spend so much money and still get noisy photos at ISO400 (I rarely shoot over ISO 3200 but definitely shoot at 800 and 1600).

So then I thought about the A58. Wasn't sure if this is really an upgrade to my A500. Sub par LCD and EVF? Another point to note is that both the A77 and A65 are 2 years old now, so would it be better to just use my A500 for now and wait till 2014?

I currently have 3 A mount lenses (SAL70300G, SAL18250 and Minolta 50mm f/1.7)

Please give me some advice as I am going nuts

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A77 is a good camera and if you are getting noise on ISO 400 then you must be doing something wrong, I got noise on ISO 100 on my A58, but later come to know that it was cause by DRO. DRO is good in day-light but its a killer in low light shooting.

A58 RAW files are very noisy on higher ISO. It has a good jpeg processing engine and if you do not shoot in RAW than it produces nice jpeg and acceptable upto ISO6400

A58 is available on B&H with a super deal, more details here: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3584964

I recommend A77, as it far better than A58, it is pretty cheap now and you can get one under $800.

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Thanks Vikas. I always shoot in RAW. I have never used an A77 but from the sample photos (especially clear blue skies), there is evident noise. Maybe some A77 owners can confirm this by taking a sample shot.

I believe DRO is only for JPEGS, however I shoot in RAW 100% of the time (RAW+JPEG and my RAWs are processed in Lightroom).

I thought the A58 would be less noisy at equivalent ISO compared to the A77 due to the A77s higher MP. However I could be wrong. However will the A58 produce better quality pics than my A500? Again, only RAW and less than ISO 6400.

Thanks for the A58 deal but I guess I would go for the body only for $375 than getting the two lenses I will never use. Wish the A58 came with the nice kit lens like the A77

So again, is the A58 worth it or does it make sense to wait till 2014 and keep the A500 I have?

Cheers!!

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kartikjayaraman wrote:

So I have a Sony A500 which I bought in 2009. Its due for an upgrade. I actually almost decided on the A77 but backed out because I dont want to spend so much money and still get noisy photos at ISO400 (I rarely shoot over ISO 3200 but definitely shoot at 800 and 1600).

So then I thought about the A58. Wasn't sure if this is really an upgrade to my A500. Sub par LCD and EVF? Another point to note is that both the A77 and A65 are 2 years old now, so would it be better to just use my A500 for now and wait till 2014?

I currently have 3 A mount lenses (SAL70300G, SAL18250 and Minolta 50mm f/1.7)

Please give me some advice as I am going nuts

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A77 is a good camera and if you are getting noise on ISO 400 then you must be doing something wrong, I got noise on ISO 100 on my A58, but later come to know that it was cause by DRO. DRO is good in day-light but its a killer in low light shooting.

A58 RAW files are very noisy on higher ISO. It has a good jpeg processing engine and if you do not shoot in RAW than it produces nice jpeg and acceptable upto ISO6400

A58 is available on B&H with a super deal, more details here: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3584964

I recommend A77, as it far better than A58, it is pretty cheap now and you can get one under $800.

A58 @ ISO 6400 with 55-300 SAM

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Do not buy A58 as its RAW files are more in noise than A77, Higher megapixel do not cause high noise: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3590750

A77 is better on RAW files, just look at dxomark measurements here: http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-SLT-Alpha-58-versus-Sony-SLT-Alpha-77___864_734

Many users are waiting for 2014 and its only a few days left on 2013 or a couple of months for sony launches.

kartikjayaraman wrote:

Thanks Vikas. I always shoot in RAW. I have never used an A77 but from the sample photos (especially clear blue skies), there is evident noise. Maybe some A77 owners can confirm this by taking a sample shot.

I believe DRO is only for JPEGS, however I shoot in RAW 100% of the time (RAW+JPEG and my RAWs are processed in Lightroom).

I thought the A58 would be less noisy at equivalent ISO compared to the A77 due to the A77s higher MP. However I could be wrong. However will the A58 produce better quality pics than my A500? Again, only RAW and less than ISO 6400.

Thanks for the A58 deal but I guess I would go for the body only for $375 than getting the two lenses I will never use. Wish the A58 came with the nice kit lens like the A77

So again, is the A58 worth it or does it make sense to wait till 2014 and keep the A500 I have?

Cheers!!

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kartikjayaraman wrote:

So I have a Sony A500 which I bought in 2009. Its due for an upgrade. I actually almost decided on the A77 but backed out because I dont want to spend so much money and still get noisy photos at ISO400 (I rarely shoot over ISO 3200 but definitely shoot at 800 and 1600).

So then I thought about the A58. Wasn't sure if this is really an upgrade to my A500. Sub par LCD and EVF? Another point to note is that both the A77 and A65 are 2 years old now, so would it be better to just use my A500 for now and wait till 2014?

I currently have 3 A mount lenses (SAL70300G, SAL18250 and Minolta 50mm f/1.7)

Please give me some advice as I am going nuts

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A77 is a good camera and if you are getting noise on ISO 400 then you must be doing something wrong, I got noise on ISO 100 on my A58, but later come to know that it was cause by DRO. DRO is good in day-light but its a killer in low light shooting.

A58 RAW files are very noisy on higher ISO. It has a good jpeg processing engine and if you do not shoot in RAW than it produces nice jpeg and acceptable upto ISO6400

A58 is available on B&H with a super deal, more details here: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3584964

I recommend A77, as it far better than A58, it is pretty cheap now and you can get one under $800.

A58 @ ISO 6400 with 55-300 SAM

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Interesting, thanks! Looks like the A58 isn't much of an upgrade over the A500 (other than overall score). Interestingly the A500 is better in low light ISO performance than the A58..hmm...maybe I should just wait

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Why not look at the @65 if the @77 is still too much for you ?
The body only is currently $500.
I would go for a used @57 or the @77 at $800,
both are a great place to wait.

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A65 or A77 body only deals right now are pretty good @ $498 & $798. Coming from an A500 I believe you'd find it a noticeable step up (and it will give you an opportunity to learn how to get the most out of your "SLT"; it takes some adjustment at first but if you're like myself and many others here you'll really start to appreciate what you've been missing).

BTW the new 18-135 lens has turned to be a real nice kit replacement and would be an improvement over your SAL 18-250, which in my opinion is the weakest lens in your bag. Your 70-300G outperforms the 18-250 over their shared range. I bring up the 18-135 because you can get an A65 with it together for $798 (the cost of the A77 alone); it's the default always-on lens on my body. I like it enough that it's almost completely supplanted a very decent Sigma 18-250 OS HSM, and I don't often miss that extra reach.

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kartikjayaraman wrote:

So I have a Sony A500 which I bought in 2009. Its due for an upgrade. I actually almost decided on the A77 but backed out because I dont want to spend so much money and still get noisy photos at ISO400 (I rarely shoot over ISO 3200 but definitely shoot at 800 and 1600).

So then I thought about the A58. Wasn't sure if this is really an upgrade to my A500. Sub par LCD and EVF? Another point to note is that both the A77 and A65 are 2 years old now, so would it be better to just use my A500 for now and wait till 2014?

Think beyond iso, the a77 is in a whole different league of cameras in control, build and options (micro adjust, multi control wheels, weather sealing etc). Noise in a77 requires a bit more playing around with so I suggest a good manual to go with it (Friedman's)

As for the price in 2014 the new camera will be significantly above today's a77 prices if it is in the same class.

This one is from before I learned the camera well iso 800, 250mm at 1/125 and f5.6 (far from ideal)

Forgot an early and horrid iso 400 sample :

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sony a77 and 16 50 2.8 lens will give you a great all round set up covering the range with your other lenses.

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Stick with the a500. Except for an increase in MP there is not much to gain. The micro adjustment of the a77 is nice though.

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I would wait a few weeks some new A mounts will be out soon. Save money now, buy in spring.

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Go for A57, still you get this in market, its best APS-C till now from SLT range, if you want another then wait for it till the next release, if the big bugs in hand A99 is always special.

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At least for my eyes, if you compare the raw-files from A58 and A57, there seems to be very small advantage to A58 with just a litle bit less noise on ISO3200. When not pixel peeped they are almost the same. And because A58 has more resolution, it gives you also some more details. What do you think yourself if you click and look at them 100% size? This screen capture is taken from Dpreviews own comparometer:

Up until the release of A58 the A57 should presumably have had the best (the lowest) noise levels in high ISO with the Sony APS-C cameras and A77 raw files have clearly more disturbing noise than A57 (and A58). So don't believe everything that other people tell you, compare and try it for yourself?

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Do not buy A58 as its RAW files are more in noise than A77, Higher megapixel do not cause high noise: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3590750

A77 is better on RAW files, just look at dxomark measurements here: http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Sony-SLT-Alpha-58-versus-Sony-SLT-Alpha-77___864_734

Many users are waiting for 2014 and its only a few days left on 2013 or a couple of months for sony launches.

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Even though the DXOmark scores tries to hint you that A500 could be better low light camera than A58, you definately should compare the high ISO images of both cameras for example in imaging resourse. DXO's results are really not there when it comes to real life shots in low light.

And if you compare any other DXO scores, A58 is a huge step forward from A500.

A58 in high ISO is cleaner with less noise than A500. But the A580 is a diffent case. It has the same sensor than A57 and without the translucent mirror it should be little better in low light than A57.

A58 sensor is the most recent technology and despite the low price and higher resolution, it gives you quite nice low light capabilities. I have even compared it to my A99 and it's not really that far behind in high ISO noise levels.

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... Except for an increase in MP there is not much to gain. The micro adjustment of the a77 is nice though.

Right, not much to gain other than doublethe resolution and micro adjust; yeah, right, nothing.. like full-time WYSIWYG live view, articulating LCD, focus peaking, focus magnification, electronic first curtain shutter, 1080/60p HD video, dual (assignable) control dials -- and this is the short list. I bought my first a77 body at its released price of 1400USD, now it has been reduced to nearly half that. As another poster said, if you want to "wait" for the ever-present new stuff of the future, this would be a great place to wait

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I have an A65 and A77 and the results are not "noisy" at iso 400. I use my A77 and A65 up to iso 3200 all the time. All things considered the A77 for $800 or the A65 at $500 are the best deals right now. Those who claim the A77 is noisy at iso 400 are simply wrong.

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Up until the release of A58 the A57 should presumably have had the best (the lowest) noise levels in high ISO with the Sony APS-C cameras and A77 raw files have clearly more disturbing noise than A57 (and A58). So don't believe everything that other people tell you, compare and try it for yourself?

And I say don't believe you. As an owner of an A65 and A77 and former owner of the 16mp A55 I can assure you and the OP that when equalized for size there is negligible difference in noise between the cameras and the 24mp cameras have better IQ at iso800 and below.

Of course noise is only, at most, 5% of what you should consider. As far as resolution, build quality, features, AF speed, ergonomics and handling the A77 is a huge step up from the A500.

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Stick with the a500. Except for an increase in MP there is not much to gain. The micro adjustment of the a77 is nice though.

Wrong!!! There is a huge difference in capabilities between the 2 cameras. The A500 was an entry level DSLR while the A77 is a semi pro camera that has capabilities and features far beyond the A500. The A77 was the replacement for the A700 when it came out.

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Near-identical image quality in low light (A77 vs A55)
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If you dont't believe me, maybe you believe the DPreview article?

From the A77 review: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyslta77/19

Even when its files are downsampled to 16MP, images the A77's 24MP sensor still display slightly higher noise levels at ISO 12800 than the 16MP sensor of the A55, as you can see from the images above with noise reduction turned off. Chroma noise is slightly more intense, with larger chroma 'blobs', although this is muted by ACR's default noise reduction settings. After ACR's default NR, the differences between the A77's resized output and that from the A55 are minimal, to the extent that we would consider them effectively on a level (remembering that much better results than the ones shown here can be coaxed out of files from both cameras with more considered post-processing work).

What this means is that if you're an A55 user habitually making prints of a given size, the A77 will give you near-identical image quality in low light, high ISO situations. The extra pixels on its sensor won't appreciably increase the quality of the output you're used to, but they won't make things noticeably worse, either.

A77 and A65 are better cameras than A57 or A58 in many ways, but in low light they are still producing slightly more noise. Someone who is never shooting higher than 800 ISO, this probably means nothing, but for someone who is looking for the lowest possible noise levels this could mean the difference?

I bought the A58 only because I needed second body now. I was positively surprised about it's low light capabilities. I'm pretty sure next year will bring us more choices and hopefully as a top APS-C model A77 successor will also be the top high ISO camera on a A-mount APS-C lineup. A77 simply is not that now.

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