I'm new and I probably bought a grey market D7000. Is it worth keeping?

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I'm new and I probably bought a grey market D7000. Is it worth keeping?
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I have shot a lot with Canon point n' shoots, but I've never used a DSLR. After a few weeks of research, I decided on either the D5100 or the D7000. I was about to buy a D5100 new from Amazon for $430, but found a D7000 on Ebay for $600 or best offer. I offered $550 and they accepted. Free shipping. The shutter count is a little over 500 and the photos on the auction look clean. The seller has a good rating and there's a no hassle return option.

I haven't found a deal this low for this model. It doesn't come with the standard D7000 kit lens, but a Nikkor 18-70 f/3.5-4.5. He's also including a B+W F-PRO filter. Assuming the camera is in good condition as described, is the deal I got worth not having the warranty?

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If you bought it as a used camera and there is nothing wrong with it, then I don't see any reason to return.  If you bought it new with expectation of a Nikon US warranty then I would send it back.

Nikon's warranty only covers the original owner anyway, so used and grey market is no different than US out of warranty.

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weather you are the original owner or not, grey market items are grey market items. period.

if you have one you may very well have great difficulty getting it serviced by an authorised service centre.

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weather you are the original owner or not, grey market items are grey market items. period.

if you have one you may very well have great difficulty getting it serviced by an authorised service centre.

Is the price worth the risk?

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APS services grey market stuff no issues.

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As mentioned above, Nikon warranties on cameras only apply to the original owner and usually are only for one year. Even then, original receipt and unfilled in warranty card are required.

If it breaks you can get it fixed here in the USA. NikonUSA imports usually start with USxxxxxxxxx.

Enjoy your new camera! You will love it. If you don't get a manual, one can be download or read on line as a PDF file. Most were sold as single bodies, as opposed to kits.

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If it breaks you can get it fixed here in the USA. NikonUSA imports usually start with USxxxxxxxxx.

If it is really Grey Market, Nikon USA service centers will not fix it. That was told to me by reps from Nikon USA at a recent Trade Show. Other Countries Nikon centers might though. For that reason I do not purchase grey market Nikon gear used or new. Unless it 80% off and I can check it out myself before buying

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What is actually meant by "Grey Market" in USA? In some countries this means illegally imported (smuggled)/tax not paid or stolen items being resold. Does used or refurbished camera sold by their original owner means a grey market product?

Regarding price, only two days ago I got a new D7000 (body only) with a cheap camera bag and 4GB card from authorised shop (outside USA) at a discounted price of about $700 (equivalent) with full 2 year warranty. I don't know whether it is a bargain.

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Well, according to a phone call I made 2 minutes ago, this is not true. APS will repair non-NikonUSA imports. The gentleman on the line says they do it all the time, no problem. Please note they are also an official NikonUSA service center. http://www.nikoncamerarepair.com/index.php/our-services

Authorized Photo Service is an Official Nikon USA Authorized Repair Service.

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If it breaks you can get it fixed here in the USA. NikonUSA imports usually start with USxxxxxxxxx.

If it is really Grey Market, Nikon USA service centers will not fix it. That was told to me by reps from Nikon USA at a recent Trade Show. Other Countries Nikon centers might though. For that reason I do not purchase grey market Nikon gear used or new. Unless it 80% off and I can check it out myself before buying

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Well, according to a phone call I made 2 minutes ago, this is not true. APS will repair non-NikonUSA imports. The gentleman on the line says they do it all the time, no problem. Please note they are also an official NikonUSA service center. http://www.nikoncamerarepair.com/index.php/our-services

Authorized Photo Service is an Official Nikon USA Authorized Repair Service.

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Steve Bingham wrote:

If it breaks you can get it fixed here in the USA. NikonUSA imports usually start with USxxxxxxxxx.

If it is really Grey Market, Nikon USA service centers will not fix it. That was told to me by reps from Nikon USA at a recent Trade Show. Other Countries Nikon centers might though. For that reason I do not purchase grey market Nikon gear used or new. Unless it 80% off and I can check it out myself before buying

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I think the reference is to Nikon owned service centers...if APS had to fix all the grey market cameras in the U.S. on their own you'd see them buried under a sea of grey market cameras with the withered hand of a service tech yearning to be free protruding from under the rubble.

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Steve Bingham wrote:

Well, according to a phone call I made 2 minutes ago, this is not true. APS will repair non-NikonUSA imports. The gentleman on the line says they do it all the time, no problem. Please note they are also an official NikonUSA service center. http://www.nikoncamerarepair.com/index.php/our-services

Authorized Photo Service is an Official Nikon USA Authorized Repair Service.

APS isn't a D7000 authorized repair facility

http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Service-And-Support/Nikon-Authorized-Repair-List.page

May not be able to even get the parts they need. May not have the current D7000 and later repair software. They may certainly attempt to repair, not sure you'll get it repaired though. They were former Nikon Service Center but no longer. Would have to call Nikon Japan to get the real skinny.

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This is on their web page and was confirmed over the phone. They can get all the parts they need, maybe just not from NikonUSA. They fixed my friends non-Nikon USA Import  D7000 in 2 weeks - and charged him, of course. As it was over a year old the Nikon USA camera warranty was no longer valid anyway.

"Authorized Photo Service is an Official Nikon USA Authorized Repair Service."

Now if this is untrue than Nikon USA could sue them for a bundle. If they buy the parts from Nikon USA and charge for their labor, where is Nikon USA hurt? I believe Nikon USA tried to enforce this and was taken to court. What they probably won't do is honor the Nikon USA warranty if the camera is gray market (importer other than Nikon USA - like Nikon Canada). Of course this would be true.

I short, you can get your Nikon lens and body repaired - but you pay. If you are not the original owner, you pay anyway. Things change.

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Mako2011 wrote:

Steve Bingham wrote:

If it breaks you can get it fixed here in the USA. NikonUSA imports usually start with USxxxxxxxxx.

If it is really Grey Market, Nikon USA service centers will not fix it. That was told to me by reps from Nikon USA at a recent Trade Show. Other Countries Nikon centers might though. For that reason I do not purchase grey market Nikon gear used or new. Unless it 80% off and I can check it out myself before buying

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Mako, grey marked is a term, Nikon has invented to provide theire more expensive markets against internet trade. Nikons prices in USA, Europe and Australia is a lot higher, than in Asia - included China.

Here in Europe, Nikon can't refuse to fix their products - at normal prices - but they can refuse giving warranty - it's the dealers responsability regarding to European law.

I bought my D7000 in China (HongKong) that cheap and with all taxes paid, that I have no problem loosing Nikons warranty - there's a lot of Money left to repair. Compared to the official Price in Denmark, I saved more than $400 at the time - a third of the Price.

There would be no grey marked, if Nikons officiel prices were the same all over the World. The Companies in HongKong buys their products at Nikon - don't they.

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This is on their web page and was confirmed over the phone.

I would expect them to say that. The more official Nikon web page seems to say otherwise. Have to call Japan to get the real answer I suppose

They can get all the parts they need, maybe just not from NikonUSA. They fixed my friends non-Nikon USA Import D7000 in 2 weeks - and charged him, of course. As it was over a year old the Nikon USA camera warranty was no longer valid anyway.

Yep, I would think they can certainly do some things...may have trouble with others...hard to say.

"Authorized Photo Service is an Official Nikon USA Authorized Repair Service."

I see that. Also says on the Nikon -USA site they are not.

Now if this is untrue than Nikon USA could sue them for a bundle.

And Vice versa?

If they buy the parts from Nikon USA and charge for their labor, where is Nikon USA hurt?

They can't buy parts from Nikon USA, any longer

I believe Nikon USA tried to enforce this and was taken to court.

I was told by Nikon USA reps, that that was not the case and indeed...they nolonger provide parts to any independents.

What they probably won't do is honor the Nikon USA warranty if the camera is gray market (importer other than Nikon USA - like Nikon Canada). Of course this would be true.

That too

I short, you can get your Nikon lens and body repaired - but you pay.

Still, you may not be able to get a modern (D7000 or later) gray market Nikon camera or lens repaired in the US (depending on the malfunction). Decentered elements and such may be no problem...replacing a grey market D610 circuit board in the US and you may be out of luck. There is a risk with Grey. Much less risk with non-grey. Buying grey market used (somebody is getting rid of it for some reason) is a bigger risk when it comes to getting repairs. How much is the initial saving anyways...usually a small percentage?

If you are not the original owner, you pay anyway. Things change.

Or take it to a "Nikon Authorized" shop south of the boarder...cheaper and they do sub-contract out to some of the US independents now.

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Mako2011 wrote:

Steve Bingham wrote:

If it breaks you can get it fixed here in the USA. NikonUSA imports usually start with USxxxxxxxxx.

If it is really Grey Market, Nikon USA service centers will not fix it. That was told to me by reps from Nikon USA at a recent Trade Show. Other Countries Nikon centers might though. For that reason I do not purchase grey market Nikon gear used or new. Unless it 80% off and I can check it out myself before buying

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Mako, grey marked is a term, Nikon has invented to provide theire more expensive markets against internet trade. Nikons prices in USA, Europe and Australia is a lot higher, than in Asia - included China.

Well understood as Nikon (the parent company) uses independent subsidiaries which is different than how Canon operates.

Here in Europe, Nikon can't refuse to fix their products - at normal prices - but they can refuse giving warranty - it's the dealers responsability regarding to European law.

Yes, Nikon subsidiaries in Europe operates differently and they are under different laws

I bought my D7000 in China (HongKong) that cheap and with all taxes paid, that I have no problem loosing Nikons warranty - there's a lot of Money left to repair. Compared to the official Price in Denmark, I saved more than $400 at the time - a third of the Price.

Yes, different than here.

There would be no grey marked, if Nikons officiel prices were the same all over the World. The Companies in HongKong buys their products at Nikon - don't they.

Not all...you have to be a bit careful in Hong Kong...a few do not buy directly from Nikon Japan.

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Mako2011 wrote:

Steve Bingham wrote:

If it breaks you can get it fixed here in the USA. NikonUSA imports usually start with USxxxxxxxxx.

If it is really Grey Market, Nikon USA service centers will not fix it. That was told to me by reps from Nikon USA at a recent Trade Show. Other Countries Nikon centers might though. For that reason I do not purchase grey market Nikon gear used or new. Unless it 80% off and I can check it out myself before buying

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Mako, grey marked is a term, Nikon has invented to provide

of course I ment protect -  not provide - this strange language of yours

theire more expensive markets against internet trade. Nikons prices in USA, Europe and Australia is a lot higher, than in Asia - included China.

Here in Europe, Nikon can't refuse to fix their products - at normal prices - but they can refuse giving warranty - it's the dealers responsability regarding to European law.

I bought my D7000 in China (HongKong) that cheap and with all taxes paid, that I have no problem loosing Nikons warranty - there's a lot of Money left to repair. Compared to the official Price in Denmark, I saved more than $400 at the time - a third of the Price.

There would be no grey marked, if Nikons officiel prices were the same all over the World. The Companies in HongKong buys their products at Nikon - don't they.

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evan47 wrote:

weather you are the original owner or not, grey market items are grey market items. period.

if you have one you may very well have great difficulty getting it serviced by an authorised service centre.

Is the price worth the risk?

i was told that nikon will not service grey market items.is this true?

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BirgerH wrote:

Mako2011 wrote:

Steve Bingham wrote:

If it breaks you can get it fixed here in the USA. NikonUSA imports usually start with USxxxxxxxxx.

If it is really Grey Market, Nikon USA service centers will not fix it. That was told to me by reps from Nikon USA at a recent Trade Show. Other Countries Nikon centers might though. For that reason I do not purchase grey market Nikon gear used or new. Unless it 80% off and I can check it out myself before buying

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Mako, grey marked is a term, Nikon has invented to provide theire more expensive markets against internet trade. Nikons prices in USA, Europe and Australia is a lot higher, than in Asia - included China.

Not really a term Nikon invented either..been around for quite some time.

Here in Europe, Nikon can't refuse to fix their products - at normal prices - but they can refuse giving warranty - it's the dealers responsability regarding to European law.

I bought my D7000 in China (HongKong) that cheap and with all taxes paid, that I have no problem loosing Nikons warranty - there's a lot of Money left to repair. Compared to the official Price in Denmark, I saved more than $400 at the time - a third of the Price.

There would be no grey marked, if Nikons officiel prices were the same all over the World. The Companies in HongKong buys their products at Nikon - don't they.

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BirgerH wrote:

Mako2011 wrote:

Steve Bingham wrote:

If it breaks you can get it fixed here in the USA. NikonUSA imports usually start with USxxxxxxxxx.

If it is really Grey Market, Nikon USA service centers will not fix it. That was told to me by reps from Nikon USA at a recent Trade Show. Other Countries Nikon centers might though. For that reason I do not purchase grey market Nikon gear used or new. Unless it 80% off and I can check it out myself before buying

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Mako, grey marked is a term, Nikon has invented to provide theire more expensive markets against internet trade. Nikons prices in USA, Europe and Australia is a lot higher, than in Asia - included China.

Well understood as Nikon (the parent company) uses independent subsidiaries which is different than how Canon operates.

Could make me switch to Canon - if they only could make camera's

Here in Europe, Nikon can't refuse to fix their products - at normal prices - but they can refuse giving warranty - it's the dealers responsability regarding to European law.

Yes, Nikon subsidiaries in Europe operates differently and they are under different Laws

Yes, we got laws against protectionism - there have to be some kind of independency.

I bought my D7000 in China (HongKong) that cheap and with all taxes paid, that I have no problem loosing Nikons warranty - there's a lot of Money left to repair. Compared to the official Price in Denmark, I saved more than $400 at the time - a third of the Price.

Yes, different than here.

There would be no grey marked, if Nikons officiel prices were the same all over the World. The Companies in HongKong buys their products at Nikon - don't they.

Not all...you have to be a bit careful in Hong Kong...a few do not buy directly from Nikon Japan.

How can they be bought, if not directly from Nikon Jpan - who else Sells new Nikon camera's from fabric?

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i have d3200 alongside my d700/d300s/d2h.great little camera,i bought it strictly for its high rez sensor and it delivers impressive well detailed images for me.i use the nikkor 35mm 1.8 dx,50 mm 1.8g,nikkor 80-200 2.8 via manual focus,tamron 17-50 2.8 "BIM"(af motor in lens) and 14mm 2.8.take a look at my d3200 gallery especially images shot with the tamron 17-50 2.8..and yes i use d3200 on some of my paid assignments

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