xe1 stunning color rendition due to jpg engine or x-trans ?

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Christof21
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xe1 stunning color rendition due to jpg engine or x-trans ?
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Hi,

Even when shooting raw (most cases) I am very pleased with the color rendition. As a raw shooter, I do not really care about the jpg engine, this is just software. I can use the raw processing software I prefer.

Maybe the competitors are as good as Fuji for color rendition ?. I am curious to know if Fuji has an advantage over competitors and, if so, if this is due to hardware or software.

Thanks for your answers,

Christophe

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Christof21 wrote:

Hi,

Even when shooting raw (most cases) I am very pleased with the color rendition. As a raw shooter, I do not really care about the jpg engine, this is just software. I can use the raw processing software I prefer.

Maybe the competitors are as good as Fuji for color rendition ?. I am curious to know if Fuji has an advantage over competitors and, if so, if this is due to hardware or software.

Thanks for your answers,

Christophe

Fuji have always had the edge when it comes to superb color rendering and amazingly true to life skin tones. The term "gorgeous Fuji colors and skin tones" can often be found in these and other forums.

The Fuji S2 and S3-Pro were trail blazers for their era, no other digital cameras could render colors and skin tones quite like Fuji. This carried on with the S5-Pro which became known by many as the "wedding" camera for a period, it was that good (and still is). Thankfully my X-E1 carries on with the Fuji hallmarks - superb color rendering and stunningly true to like skin tones.

Fuji have a long and illustrious film heritage so their obvious primary focus comes from a 100% genuine photographic background, their DNA is photography not electronics. This is why I believe Fuji do things differently - an approach which is clearly evident not only in their hardware but also in their own software (coding).

As to whether Fuji still enjoy an "advantage" (as you put it) in those areas is a matter of individual taste. For me personally only the Foveon X3 sensor comes close to the X-Trans version 1. But since the X-E2 (X-Trans version 2) I'm not sure Fuji has an advantage at all any more.

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if so, if this is due to hardware or software.

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The answer is: Software.

X-Trans and Bayer sensors both use RGB color filters over the photosites (different patterns), but the color of a pixel is not determined until it is interpolated by software. Fuji color comes from the color profile in their JPEG engine. If you shoot raw, then you are no longer getting Fuji color, you are getting Adobe color or C1 color or...

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In one of the X Photographers write-ups recently, he confirmed that Fuji had a color specialist from their film team join the X Series team, specifically to ensure that 'Fuji Color' DNA was maintained through these new cameras.

Interesting approach, as it clearly leverages a legacy which most manufacturers do not have.

Certainly a key feature which gets immediate attention from reviewers and first time users/testers

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Christof21 wrote:

Hi,

Even when shooting raw (most cases) I am very pleased with the color rendition. As a raw shooter, I do not really care about the jpg engine, this is just software. I can use the raw processing software I prefer.

Maybe the competitors are as good as Fuji for color rendition ?. I am curious to know if Fuji has an advantage over competitors and, if so, if this is due to hardware or software.

Thanks for your answers,

Christophe

Up until now I've only shot RAW.  For large prints I'll continue to do so.  But since getting my X-E2 I'm also blown away by the Fuji color, sharpness, etc. in jpegs.  I'm going to try printing a 16x24 jpeg image today to see how it holds up to critical RAW processing.  I would have never considered using a jpeg from my Canon FF DSLR.

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Chris Dodkin wrote:

In one of the X Photographers write-ups recently, he confirmed that Fuji had a color specialist from their film team join the X Series team, specifically to ensure that 'Fuji Color' DNA was maintained through these new cameras.

Well, considering that Fujifilm digital cameras have had excellent and clearly distinguishable color from looong before the X cameras every showed up, I don't see how the above is possible.  6 or 7 years before the X100 Fujifilm's digital cameras had amazing color and I'm sure it was not by chance.

Interesting approach, as it clearly leverages a legacy which most manufacturers do not have.

Sadly, and more importantly than the above, Fujifilm's color film legacy is on it's last legs.  This past year has seen a dramatic reduction in Fuji's color films.  We lost Fujifilm Reala, the most spectacular color film of recent memory.  Then its replacement, 160NS was discontinued.  Even more sadly, Provia 400X, the last high speed color transparency film is now gone.  We are down to the final 3 color films that have Fujifilm's tremendous color legacy: 400H, Provia, and Velvia.

My film guy found a stash of Reala 100 film, but it is god awful expensive.  Still, I'm stocking up at $10/roll.  Once it is gone, it is gone forever.

Folks here like to make outrageous claims about how Fujifilm is happily supporting their legacy businesses even though they lose money year after year after year.  Watching Fujifilm discontinue their most famous films shows how ridiculous such assertions are.  It is a profoundly sad demise to a once great company.  I personally do not care if Fujifilm makes great office equipment, TV lenses, or cosmetics.

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In one of the X Photographers write-ups recently, he confirmed that Fuji had a color specialist from their film team join the X Series team, specifically to ensure that 'Fuji Color' DNA was maintained through these new cameras.

Interesting approach, as it clearly leverages a legacy which most manufacturers do not have.

In that case he must have been on holidays or on sick leave when they developed the X-E2 lol

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The answer is: Software.

If you shoot raw, then you are no longer getting Fuji color, you are getting Adobe color or C1 color or...

Not if you develop the RAW with the camera, which anyone can do.

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It is a profoundly sad demise to a once great company. I personally do not care if Fujifilm makes great office equipment, TV lenses, or cosmetics.

You, of all people, should be elated about Fuji's other business interests. Without them you would have nothing.

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Graham Hill wrote:

It is a profoundly sad demise to a once great company. I personally do not care if Fujifilm makes great office equipment, TV lenses, or cosmetics.

You, of all people, should be elated about Fuji's other business interests. Without them you would have nothing.

I would be, if the films were supported. But as recent evidence shows, they are not. I mentioned 3 very important color films that have been discontinued. We also lost, this year, Neopan 400 (again) and FB3000 black and white films.  That is a LOT of films to lose in one year.  Fujifilm is discontinuing film far faster than Kodak, which is depressing since Fujifilm is a profitable company and Kodak is not.

Fujifilm is now cutting off films that have no replacement anywhere in the film world. The last black and white instant film gone. The last high speed color slide film gone. The last black and white monochrome 400 speed film from Fujifilm gone (there are others from Kodak and Ilford at least).

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BillyInya wrote:

But since the X-E2 (X-Trans version 2) I'm not sure Fuji has an advantage at all any more.

So true: I had the X-E2 for a few days only (test) and I'd say they lost a good part of their color magic if not all. The files looked like any Canon, Oly or whatever. Red and magenta oll over.

It is beyond me how a company that has built their reputation and got loads of praise from critics mainly for colour and skin tones can change exactly that!

It was close to perfect. They made it much less unique now.

As if they have a built- in will to loose....

BTW, there are signs that this concerns all the new cameras from Fuji, like the X-M1 and A1 as well...

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BillyInya wrote:

But since the X-E2 (X-Trans version 2) I'm not sure Fuji has an advantage at all any more.

So true: I had the X-E2 for a few days only (test) and I'd say they lost a good part of their color magic if not all. The files looked like any Canon, Oly or whatever. Red and magenta oll over.

It is beyond me how a company that has built their reputation and got loads of praise from critics mainly for colour and skin tones can change exactly that!

It was close to perfect. They made it much less unique now.

As if they have a built- in will to loose....

BTW, there are signs that this concerns all the new cameras from Fuji, like the X-M1 and A1 as well...

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This is a bit disturbing and from recent threads, not am isoloated point or view. Not too uncommon for companies to break things that did not need fixing in order to market a new and "improved" product.

Fuju has a great reputation for listening, hope that has not gone away as things like color and skin tones are one of the major reasons to invest in the line. To that end, no upgrade to XE2 for me - but that is easy to say since do mot need the tangible improvements.

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I forgot, we lost Superia film in 120 size too.  Fujifilm lost more films this year than any that I can recall.

They don't look like a company willing to support their legacy at any cost.  Another year like this and Fujifilm won't have any color specialists in house anymore.

http://www.bjp-online.com/2013/07/fujifilm-confirms-film-discontinuations/

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Graham Hill wrote:

Chris Dodkin wrote:

In one of the X Photographers write-ups recently, he confirmed that Fuji had a color specialist from their film team join the X Series team, specifically to ensure that 'Fuji Color' DNA was maintained through these new cameras.

Well, considering that Fujifilm digital cameras have had excellent and clearly distinguishable color from looong before the X cameras every showed up, I don't see how the above is possible. 6 or 7 years before the X100 Fujifilm's digital cameras had amazing color and I'm sure it was not by chance.

Fuji color specialists worked on Fuji digital colors since the old S series DLRS.

Interesting approach, as it clearly leverages a legacy which most manufacturers do not have.

Sadly, and more importantly than the above, Fujifilm's color film legacy is on it's last legs. This past year has seen a dramatic reduction in Fuji's color films. We lost Fujifilm Reala, the most spectacular color film of recent memory. Then its replacement, 160NS was discontinued. Even more sadly, Provia 400X, the last high speed color transparency film is now gone. We are down to the final 3 color films that have Fujifilm's tremendous color legacy: 400H, Provia, and Velvia.

My film guy found a stash of Reala 100 film, but it is god awful expensive. Still, I'm stocking up at $10/roll. Once it is gone, it is gone forever.

Reala was OK.  I find Ektar a far better film for what I use it for.  I also switch all my wedding photography and engagement and portrait work over to Portra 160/400 as the films are finer grained than Pro 400H with better reciprocity and latitude.

Folks here like to make outrageous claims about how Fujifilm is happily supporting their legacy businesses even though they lose money year after year after year. Watching Fujifilm discontinue their most famous films shows how ridiculous such assertions are. It is a profoundly sad demise to a once great company. I personally do not care if Fujifilm makes great office equipment, TV lenses, or cosmetics.

You should care about Fuji's other business lines as they are funding the camera business.

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Dave Luttmann wrote:

Graham Hill wrote:

Chris Dodkin wrote:

In one of the X Photographers write-ups recently, he confirmed that Fuji had a color specialist from their film team join the X Series team, specifically to ensure that 'Fuji Color' DNA was maintained through these new cameras.

Well, considering that Fujifilm digital cameras have had excellent and clearly distinguishable color from looong before the X cameras every showed up, I don't see how the above is possible. 6 or 7 years before the X100 Fujifilm's digital cameras had amazing color and I'm sure it was not by chance.

Fuji color specialists worked on Fuji digital colors since the old S series DLRS

Interesting approach, as it clearly leverages a legacy which most manufacturers do not have.

Sadly, and more importantly than the above, Fujifilm's color film legacy is on it's last legs. This past year has seen a dramatic reduction in Fuji's color films. We lost Fujifilm Reala, the most spectacular color film of recent memory. Then its replacement, 160NS was discontinued. Even more sadly, Provia 400X, the last high speed color transparency film is now gone. We are down to the final 3 color films that have Fujifilm's tremendous color legacy: 400H, Provia, and Velvia.

My film guy found a stash of Reala 100 film, but it is god awful expensive. Still, I'm stocking up at $10/roll. Once it is gone, it is gone forever.

Reala was OK. I find Ektar a far better film for what I use it for. I also switch all my wedding photography and engagement and portrait work over to Portra 160/400 as the films are finer grained than Pro 400H with better reciprocity and latitude.

I find the colors of Portra less interesting than 400H or Reala.  I may be forced into using Portra next year if Fujifilm keeps this up.

Folks here like to make outrageous claims about how Fujifilm is happily supporting their legacy businesses even though they lose money year after year after year. Watching Fujifilm discontinue their most famous films shows how ridiculous such assertions are. It is a profoundly sad demise to a once great company. I personally do not care if Fujifilm makes great office equipment, TV lenses, or cosmetics.

You should care about Fuji's other business lines as they are funding the camera business.

Incorrect, as I explained in a different post in this thread.

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Graham Hill wrote:

Dave Luttmann wrote:

Graham Hill wrote:

Chris Dodkin wrote:

In one of the X Photographers write-ups recently, he confirmed that Fuji had a color specialist from their film team join the X Series team, specifically to ensure that 'Fuji Color' DNA was maintained through these new cameras.

Well, considering that Fujifilm digital cameras have had excellent and clearly distinguishable color from looong before the X cameras every showed up, I don't see how the above is possible. 6 or 7 years before the X100 Fujifilm's digital cameras had amazing color and I'm sure it was not by chance.

Fuji color specialists worked on Fuji digital colors since the old S series DLRS

Interesting approach, as it clearly leverages a legacy which most manufacturers do not have.

Sadly, and more importantly than the above, Fujifilm's color film legacy is on it's last legs. This past year has seen a dramatic reduction in Fuji's color films. We lost Fujifilm Reala, the most spectacular color film of recent memory. Then its replacement, 160NS was discontinued. Even more sadly, Provia 400X, the last high speed color transparency film is now gone. We are down to the final 3 color films that have Fujifilm's tremendous color legacy: 400H, Provia, and Velvia.

My film guy found a stash of Reala 100 film, but it is god awful expensive. Still, I'm stocking up at $10/roll. Once it is gone, it is gone forever.

Reala was OK. I find Ektar a far better film for what I use it for. I also switch all my wedding photography and engagement and portrait work over to Portra 160/400 as the films are finer grained than Pro 400H with better reciprocity and latitude.

I find the colors of Portra less interesting than 400H or Reala. I may be forced into using Portra next year if Fujifilm keeps this up.

I do find the color palette of 400H beautiful.  The Portra films are a slight bit warmer.  I have fallen in love with Portra 160 though.

Folks here like to make outrageous claims about how Fujifilm is happily supporting their legacy businesses even though they lose money year after year after year. Watching Fujifilm discontinue their most famous films shows how ridiculous such assertions are. It is a profoundly sad demise to a once great company. I personally do not care if Fujifilm makes great office equipment, TV lenses, or cosmetics.

You should care about Fuji's other business lines as they are funding the camera business.

Incorrect, as I explained in a different post in this thread.

The Fuji camera line is barely if at all profitable.  Their other business lines are however profitable.  As such, in any business, profitable arms make up for money losing arms.  Can't change the math.  Do you have a link to what you posted on this.  I didn't see it.

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Dave Luttmann wrote:

Graham Hill wrote:

Dave Luttmann wrote:

Graham Hill wrote:

Chris Dodkin wrote:

In one of the X Photographers write-ups recently, he confirmed that Fuji had a color specialist from their film team join the X Series team, specifically to ensure that 'Fuji Color' DNA was maintained through these new cameras.

Well, considering that Fujifilm digital cameras have had excellent and clearly distinguishable color from looong before the X cameras every showed up, I don't see how the above is possible. 6 or 7 years before the X100 Fujifilm's digital cameras had amazing color and I'm sure it was not by chance.

Fuji color specialists worked on Fuji digital colors since the old S series DLRS

Interesting approach, as it clearly leverages a legacy which most manufacturers do not have.

Sadly, and more importantly than the above, Fujifilm's color film legacy is on it's last legs. This past year has seen a dramatic reduction in Fuji's color films. We lost Fujifilm Reala, the most spectacular color film of recent memory. Then its replacement, 160NS was discontinued. Even more sadly, Provia 400X, the last high speed color transparency film is now gone. We are down to the final 3 color films that have Fujifilm's tremendous color legacy: 400H, Provia, and Velvia.

My film guy found a stash of Reala 100 film, but it is god awful expensive. Still, I'm stocking up at $10/roll. Once it is gone, it is gone forever.

Reala was OK. I find Ektar a far better film for what I use it for. I also switch all my wedding photography and engagement and portrait work over to Portra 160/400 as the films are finer grained than Pro 400H with better reciprocity and latitude.

I find the colors of Portra less interesting than 400H or Reala. I may be forced into using Portra next year if Fujifilm keeps this up.

I do find the color palette of 400H beautiful. The Portra films are a slight bit warmer. I have fallen in love with Portra 160 though.

Have you tried 160NS? It's quite beautiful too. Better you dont try it as Fujifilm discontinued that film too.

Folks here like to make outrageous claims about how Fujifilm is happily supporting their legacy businesses even though they lose money year after year after year. Watching Fujifilm discontinue their most famous films shows how ridiculous such assertions are. It is a profoundly sad demise to a once great company. I personally do not care if Fujifilm makes great office equipment, TV lenses, or cosmetics.

You should care about Fuji's other business lines as they are funding the camera business.

Incorrect, as I explained in a different post in this thread.

The Fuji camera line is barely if at all profitable.

It is not profitable and has not been for more years than I can looked at (well into the early 2000's).

Their other business lines are however profitable. As such, in any business, profitable arms make up for money losing arms. Can't change the math. Do you have a link to what you posted on this. I didn't see it.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52712174

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Carsten Pauer 2 wrote:

if so, if this is due to hardware or software.

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Wow ! I see that you are very developed in thinking and argumenting, you've just prooved it with your answer.

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Graham Hill wrote:

Dave Luttmann wrote:

Graham Hill wrote:

Dave Luttmann wrote:

Graham Hill wrote:

Chris Dodkin wrote:

In one of the X Photographers write-ups recently, he confirmed that Fuji had a color specialist from their film team join the X Series team, specifically to ensure that 'Fuji Color' DNA was maintained through these new cameras.

Well, considering that Fujifilm digital cameras have had excellent and clearly distinguishable color from looong before the X cameras every showed up, I don't see how the above is possible. 6 or 7 years before the X100 Fujifilm's digital cameras had amazing color and I'm sure it was not by chance.

Fuji color specialists worked on Fuji digital colors since the old S series DLRS

Interesting approach, as it clearly leverages a legacy which most manufacturers do not have.

Sadly, and more importantly than the above, Fujifilm's color film legacy is on it's last legs. This past year has seen a dramatic reduction in Fuji's color films. We lost Fujifilm Reala, the most spectacular color film of recent memory. Then its replacement, 160NS was discontinued. Even more sadly, Provia 400X, the last high speed color transparency film is now gone. We are down to the final 3 color films that have Fujifilm's tremendous color legacy: 400H, Provia, and Velvia.

My film guy found a stash of Reala 100 film, but it is god awful expensive. Still, I'm stocking up at $10/roll. Once it is gone, it is gone forever.

Reala was OK. I find Ektar a far better film for what I use it for. I also switch all my wedding photography and engagement and portrait work over to Portra 160/400 as the films are finer grained than Pro 400H with better reciprocity and latitude.

I find the colors of Portra less interesting than 400H or Reala. I may be forced into using Portra next year if Fujifilm keeps this up.

I do find the color palette of 400H beautiful. The Portra films are a slight bit warmer. I have fallen in love with Portra 160 though.

Have you tried 160NS? It's quite beautiful too. Better you dont try it as Fujifilm discontinued that film too.

I did run a bit of NS before they pulled it.  It was a great film.  I also love the Natura 1600 that I bought directly out of Japan.  It had a special look to it as well.

Folks here like to make outrageous claims about how Fujifilm is happily supporting their legacy businesses even though they lose money year after year after year. Watching Fujifilm discontinue their most famous films shows how ridiculous such assertions are. It is a profoundly sad demise to a once great company. I personally do not care if Fujifilm makes great office equipment, TV lenses, or cosmetics.

You should care about Fuji's other business lines as they are funding the camera business.

Incorrect, as I explained in a different post in this thread.

The Fuji camera line is barely if at all profitable.

It is not profitable and has not been for more years than I can looked at (well into the early 2000's).

Their other business lines are however profitable. As such, in any business, profitable arms make up for money losing arms. Can't change the math. Do you have a link to what you posted on this. I didn't see it.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52712174

Thanks.

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