Remote for A7R

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TThorne
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Remote for A7R
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I tried to use the remote app to get around the lack of auto bracketing on the A7R.

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The camera won't record a raw file when used with the app. Lame. Is there another remote available that will let me adjust exposure comp AND fire the shutter without touching the camera?

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TThorne
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Is this an issue for no one else?

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I'm with you, waiting to see if anything comes up. You're not alone.

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What do you mean by lack of "Auto" bracketing? You can set exposure bracketing in a single and continious mode with 3 or 5 shots and range from 0.3 to 3EV. In continious mode Camera will expose all shots if you keep remote pressed and in Single shot mode, you have to press the shutter repeatedly for each exposure.
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Are you saying it will not even stor RAW locally when shooting remote? If so that is absurd!!! have to try it, have a procust shoot monday and was planning on using the SONY, but then I will have to use my old 5DmkIII instead......

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If you're talking about the Playmemories Remote Contraol App, you have to set the settings in the camera to save raw and not via the mobile/tablet device.

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pmazolo wrote:

Are you saying it will not even stor RAW locally when shooting remote? If so that is absurd!!! have to try it, have a procust shoot monday and was planning on using the SONY, but then I will have to use my old 5DmkIII instead......

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I have no idea what are you guys talking about. There are tons of settings in smart remote application (if you are talking about mobile device remote control) including of course image size and quality, but also focus area, EV and Flash compensation etc. There are another possibilities to remotely operate your camera - cable remote controler, infrared remote controler, USB tethering.

There are many settings related to bracketing, including order of bracketed shots, bracketing range and number of frames.

Either I don't understand where you see the problem, or you didn't bother to check instructions.

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pmazolo wrote:

Are you saying it will not even stor RAW locally when shooting remote? If so that is absurd!!! have to try it, have a procust shoot monday and was planning on using the SONY, but then I will have to use my old 5DmkIII instead......

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I have no idea what are you guys talking about. There are tons of settings in smart remote application (if you are talking about mobile device remote control) including of course image size and quality, but also focus area, EV and Flash compensation etc. There are another possibilities to remotely operate your camera - cable remote controler, infrared remote controler, USB tethering.

There are many settings related to bracketing, including order of bracketed shots, bracketing range and number of frames.

Either I don't understand where you see the problem, or you didn't bother to check instructions.

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Here is what I would like to do.

1. Set the camera up on the tripod, compose, manual focus, choose my bracketing center point (typically 0EC). Everything works up to here.

2. I want to trigger the entire bracket without touching the camera. This is where it gets tricky. In bracketing mode you can not use the timer. You either have to press and hold the release or trigger shot after shot individually. Either way you are touching the camera.

The play memories app is a nice idea, because I can just leave it in single shot mode and adjust ec manually for each shot, then fire it off one by one, without ever touching the camera. Only problem, the camera will not record a raw file in this manner. No matter if you are set to raw or raw+jpeg. It only records a jpeg.

Other remotes may not have this issue at all, however, is there one that lets you adjust ec the way the app does?

I have been getting away with single shots on the timer and adjusting the ec manually with a very gentile touch, but it is not ideal.

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pmazolo wrote:

Are you saying it will not even stor RAW locally when shooting remote? If so that is absurd!!! have to try it, have a procust shoot monday and was planning on using the SONY, but then I will have to use my old 5DmkIII instead......

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Well, yes, I am saying that with regards to the play memories remote app, which I have to say I REALLY like, if it would only allow the camera to record the raw image. The app works really well with live view on my smart phone and the exposure controls are great.

I can not say for sure, but I don't think this is an issue with other remotes. If there was one that would control ec, I would buy it.

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kaku wrote:

If you're talking about the Playmemories Remote Contraol App, you have to set the settings in the camera to save raw and not via the mobile/tablet device.

My cameras are always set to record raw only. Have you tried this on the A7/A7R with the app? It doesn't work. Disregards the camera's settings and records only jpeg.

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I'm with you, waiting to see if anything comes up. You're not alone.

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Thanks. Hopefully soon. I would be happy with far less than full blown auto bracketing as well. If the play memories app would just allow raw to be recorded, I don't even mind doing it all manually.

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TThorne wrote:

kaku wrote:

If you're talking about the Playmemories Remote Contraol App, you have to set the settings in the camera to save raw and not via the mobile/tablet device.

My cameras are always set to record raw only. Have you tried this on the A7/A7R with the app? It doesn't work. Disregards the camera's settings and records only jpeg.

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Just get one of the IR remotes for $5-$10 or the wired Sony remote.

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TThorne wrote:

pmazolo wrote:

Are you saying it will not even stor RAW locally when shooting remote? If so that is absurd!!! have to try it, have a procust shoot monday and was planning on using the SONY, but then I will have to use my old 5DmkIII instead......

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Well, yes, I am saying that with regards to the play memories remote app, which I have to say I REALLY like, if it would only allow the camera to record the raw image. The app works really well with live view on my smart phone and the exposure controls are great.

I can not say for sure, but I don't think this is an issue with other remotes. If there was one that would control ec, I would buy it.

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Ok... After you connect your camera with your mobile phone, and run PlayMemories application, press menu button on the camera. press right control wheel until you come on the page where you can set image size. Set RAW + JPEG if you like and press OK. On your mobile device, you can choose if you want preview jpeg to be transfered and in which quality. Let me know if you have some more problems.

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Sony alpha wireless remote works perfectly fine, and you don't have to fiddle with cables in the dark. And its pretty cheap. I've used one since Nex-7 days and its still perfectly compatible with A7R. Granted if you want more advanced control - like intervalometer remotes, its a different issue. And you're right - adjusting exposure comp with this kind of remote is a fail - but that's true with any remote I've ever used.

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secondclaw wrote:

Sony alpha wireless remote works perfectly fine, and you don't have to fiddle with cables in the dark. And its pretty cheap. I've used one since Nex-7 days and its still perfectly compatible with A7R. Granted if you want more advanced control - like intervalometer remotes, its a different issue. And you're right - adjusting exposure comp with this kind of remote is a fail - but that's true with any remote I've ever used.

The difference is that the A7/r will allow auto-exposure bracketing and the remote to work at the same time unlike the NEX 7.

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secondclaw wrote:

Sony alpha wireless remote works perfectly fine, and you don't have to fiddle with cables in the dark. And its pretty cheap. I've used one since Nex-7 days and its still perfectly compatible with A7R. Granted if you want more advanced control - like intervalometer remotes, its a different issue. And you're right - adjusting exposure comp with this kind of remote is a fail - but that's true with any remote I've ever used.

The difference is that the A7/r will allow auto-exposure bracketing and the remote to work at the same time unlike the NEX 7.

Yes - that is indeed true ... NEX-7 setup was just a usability oversight.

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TThorne wrote:

verybiglebowski wrote:

pmazolo wrote:

Are you saying it will not even stor RAW locally when shooting remote? If so that is absurd!!! have to try it, have a procust shoot monday and was planning on using the SONY, but then I will have to use my old 5DmkIII instead......

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Petter Magnusson
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I have no idea what are you guys talking about. There are tons of settings in smart remote application (if you are talking about mobile device remote control) including of course image size and quality, but also focus area, EV and Flash compensation etc. There are another possibilities to remotely operate your camera - cable remote controler, infrared remote controler, USB tethering.

There are many settings related to bracketing, including order of bracketed shots, bracketing range and number of frames.

Either I don't understand where you see the problem, or you didn't bother to check instructions.

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Here is what I would like to do.

1. Set the camera up on the tripod, compose, manual focus, choose my bracketing center point (typically 0EC). Everything works up to here.

2. I want to trigger the entire bracket without touching the camera. This is where it gets tricky. In bracketing mode you can not use the timer. You either have to press and hold the release or trigger shot after shot individually. Either way you are touching the camera.

With Smart Remote. control and PlayMemories that wouldn't work, but you can use 1.99 USD infrared remote to fire your entire bracketing sequence, or you can use cable remote. You can use Smart Remote control, (application that you can download from Sony site) too but you have to manualy adjust exposure, by using EV compensation or Shutter speed settings or ISO settings. (If you are using native mount lens, you can also alter aperture, but that will change DOF. I suggest that with a legacy (or lens without electronic communication with camera) you set either S or M mode.

Anyway, while bracketing is not automatic, you don't have to touch the camera to change exposures.

Finally if you are using USB connection and USB tethered shooting, you can set on computer bracketing too. (In Sony Camera Remote application)

The play memories app is a nice idea, because I can just leave it in single shot mode and adjust ec manually for each shot, then fire it off one by one, without ever touching the camera. Only problem, the camera will not record a raw file in this manner. No matter if you are set to raw or raw+jpeg. It only records a jpeg.

It will, you just have to set image size within Smart Control application on the camera itself, once the connection is established.

Other remotes may not have this issue at all, however, is there one that lets you adjust ec the way the app does?

I don't know about one yet, but I am almost sure they will come. However Smart Remote is quite good, except that it eats batteries, so the question is - will there be demand.

I have been getting away with single shots on the timer and adjusting the ec manually with a very gentile touch, but it is not ideal.

No, I understand that. That is my biggest problem with NEX 7, that was never solved.

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My cameras are always set to record raw only. Have you tried this on the A7/A7R with the app? It doesn't work. Disregards the camera's settings and records only jpeg.

It works. It's how I have it set. As verybiglebowski pointed out, you have to set it to save raw images after the you connect with the Playmemories app and via the camera's menu settings.

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verybiglebowski wrote:

TThorne wrote:

verybiglebowski wrote:

pmazolo wrote:

Are you saying it will not even stor RAW locally when shooting remote? If so that is absurd!!! have to try it, have a procust shoot monday and was planning on using the SONY, but then I will have to use my old 5DmkIII instead......

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Petter Magnusson
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I have no idea what are you guys talking about. There are tons of settings in smart remote application (if you are talking about mobile device remote control) including of course image size and quality, but also focus area, EV and Flash compensation etc. There are another possibilities to remotely operate your camera - cable remote controler, infrared remote controler, USB tethering.

There are many settings related to bracketing, including order of bracketed shots, bracketing range and number of frames.

Either I don't understand where you see the problem, or you didn't bother to check instructions.

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Here is what I would like to do.

1. Set the camera up on the tripod, compose, manual focus, choose my bracketing center point (typically 0EC). Everything works up to here.

2. I want to trigger the entire bracket without touching the camera. This is where it gets tricky. In bracketing mode you can not use the timer. You either have to press and hold the release or trigger shot after shot individually. Either way you are touching the camera.

With Smart Remote. control and PlayMemories that wouldn't work, but you can use 1.99 USD infrared remote to fire your entire bracketing sequence, or you can use cable remote. You can use Smart Remote control, (application that you can download from Sony site) too but you have to manualy adjust exposure, by using EV compensation or Shutter speed settings or ISO settings. (If you are using native mount lens, you can also alter aperture, but that will change DOF. I suggest that with a legacy (or lens without electronic communication with camera) you set either S or M mode.

Anyway, while bracketing is not automatic, you don't have to touch the camera to change exposures.

Finally if you are using USB connection and USB tethered shooting, you can set on computer bracketing too. (In Sony Camera Remote application)

The play memories app is a nice idea, because I can just leave it in single shot mode and adjust ec manually for each shot, then fire it off one by one, without ever touching the camera. Only problem, the camera will not record a raw file in this manner. No matter if you are set to raw or raw+jpeg. It only records a jpeg.

It will, you just have to set image size within Smart Control application on the camera itself, once the connection is established.

Other remotes may not have this issue at all, however, is there one that lets you adjust ec the way the app does?

I don't know about one yet, but I am almost sure they will come. However Smart Remote is quite good, except that it eats batteries, so the question is - will there be demand.

I have been getting away with single shots on the timer and adjusting the ec manually with a very gentile touch, but it is not ideal.

No, I understand that. That is my biggest problem with NEX 7, that was never solved.

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You sir! You know what you are talking about! Thank you! Thank you! THANK YOU!!! Absolutely correct! Wooohoooo!!

I was looking through all the options in the app on the phone without seeing that you can engage a special menu on the camera within the app as you mentioned. Sure enough, there it is! Raw + Fine. While I don't really need to record the jpeg, who cares? There are my raw files, custom manually bracketed exactly how I wanted them!

THANK YOU - THANK YOU - THANK YOU - THANK YOU!!! Oh, and in case I forgot, THANK YOU!

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kaku wrote:

My cameras are always set to record raw only. Have you tried this on the A7/A7R with the app? It doesn't work. Disregards the camera's settings and records only jpeg.

It works. It's how I have it set. As verybiglebowski pointed out, you have to set it to save raw images after the you connect with the Playmemories app and via the camera's menu settings.

Absolutely right! I am so happy you guys chimed in here. This was very valuable information to me. Many thanks to both of you guys!

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