Is video an add-on or real feature to you?

Started Dec 12, 2013 | Discussions
Vesku
Senior MemberPosts: 1,077
Like?
Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
Dec 12, 2013

1. Do you shoot video with your camera?

2. How much percent photo/video?

3. Do you prefer camcorder if shooting video?

4. Do you want better tests for video features here in DPREVIEW like test charts?

I think camera manufacturers dont take video features seriously. They give us soft and overcontrasty aliased mess with weak codec. But is there even need for better video or testing video quality?

My answers:

1. yes

2. 40/60

3. No. Worse quality than best m4/3

4. yes indeed

MPA1
Senior MemberPosts: 2,972Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to Vesku, Dec 12, 2013

Vesku wrote:

1. Do you shoot video with your camera?

2. How much percent photo/video?

3. Do you prefer camcorder if shooting video?

4. Do you want better tests for video features here in DPREVIEW like test charts?

I think camera manufacturers dont take video features seriously. They give us soft and overcontrasty aliased mess with weak codec. But is there even need for better video or testing video quality?

My answers:

1. yes

2. 40/60

3. No. Worse quality than best m4/3

4. yes indeed

1) No

2) 0

3) If I did, I would

4) No

Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
n3eg
Contributing MemberPosts: 669Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to Vesku, Dec 12, 2013

Vesku wrote:

1. Do you shoot video with your camera?

2. How much percent photo/video?

3. Do you prefer camcorder if shooting video?

4. Do you want better tests for video features here in DPREVIEW like test charts?

1. I always shoot video with a camera.  I'll be doing lots of that tonight.

2. Usually 98/2 by number of clicks, 50/50 by file space, 2/98 by actual time spent capturing.

3.  I gave up my camcorder as soon as my cameras did VGA video back in 2006.

4. I want DPR to test video as extensively as stills.  Rolling shutter, AF, lens noise, artifacts, and so on make a difference to me.

-- hide signature --

It ain't easy being me, but someone's gotta do it.

 n3eg's gear list:n3eg's gear list
Kodak EasyShare Z990 Olympus PEN E-PL5 Olympus M.Zuiko Digital 14-42mm 1:3.5-5.6 II R Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm 1:4-5.6 R Olympus M.Zuiko ED 75-300mm 1:4.8-6.7 II +29 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
MarcusBrody
Regular MemberPosts: 314Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to Vesku, Dec 12, 2013

Vesku wrote:

1. Do you shoot video with your camera?

2. How much percent photo/video?

3. Do you prefer camcorder if shooting video?

4. Do you want better tests for video features here in DPREVIEW like test charts?

I think camera manufacturers dont take video features seriously. They give us soft and overcontrasty aliased mess with weak codec. But is there even need for better video or testing video quality?

1. Yes. I rarely shoot video in day to day life, but I do create specific video projects.

2. 90% photo/10% video (Based on frequency. When I shoot video I probably spend more time on it than my average time taking photos, where I might just take a few shots, but I do it much less often).

3. No. I don't own one, but I can't imagine it being better for most of the type of video that I shoot.

4. I could take them or leave them. Lots of other sites shoot video test charts for cameras that have good video specs, so not having them here isn't a bit deal to me. For most of the stuff I do, top end resolution isn't that important to me anyway as I deliver it in a way that it gets degraded anyway.

I think that Panasonic has done a good job incorporating video into their line-up, particularly with the GH line. Video doesn't feel like an add on at all.

 MarcusBrody's gear list:MarcusBrody's gear list
Panasonic Lumix G 20mm F1.7 ASPH Panasonic Lumix G Vario 45-200mm F4-5.6 OIS Panasonic Lumix G Vario 14-42mm F3.5-5.6 ASPH OIS +3 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Brendan Delaney
Contributing MemberPosts: 648Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to MarcusBrody, Dec 12, 2013

No.

0%

I have never owned one and have no interest

Couldn't care less.

-- hide signature --

www.brendandelaneyphotography.com
Street, Urban and Documentary Photography

 Brendan Delaney's gear list:Brendan Delaney's gear list
Leica M-Monochrom Leica M Typ 240 Leica APO-Summicron-M 75mm f/2 ASPH Leica Summilux-M 35mm f/1.4 ASPH Leica Summilux-M 50mm f/1.4 ASPH +1 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Logan3-1639
Regular MemberPosts: 135Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to Vesku, Dec 12, 2013

Vesku wrote:

1. Do you shoot video with your camera?

No

2. How much percent photo/video?

100%/0%

3. Do you prefer camcorder if shooting video?

If video mattered to me, I'd use a camcorder.

4. Do you want better tests for video features here in DPREVIEW like test charts?

I don't care.

-- hide signature --

Judging others does not define them... it defines you as a person who needs to judge.

 Logan3-1639's gear list:Logan3-1639's gear list
Ricoh GR Olympus E-M1 Olympus M.Zuiko Digital 45mm 1:1.8 Olympus M.Zuiko Digital 17mm 1:1.8 Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 75mm 1:1.8 +2 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
honeyiscool
Contributing MemberPosts: 995Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to Vesku, Dec 13, 2013

I think anyone who says "use a camcorder for video" hasn't actually used a camcorder in the last 5 years, probably has no interest in video, and only says that to hide his/her ignorance about the topic.

 honeyiscool's gear list:honeyiscool's gear list
Olympus E-PL7 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH4 Olympus M.Zuiko Digital 45mm 1:1.8 Panasonic Leica Summilux DG 25mm F1.4 Panasonic Lumix G 14mm F2.5 ASPH +3 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
MarcusBrody
Regular MemberPosts: 314Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to honeyiscool, Dec 13, 2013

honeyiscool wrote:

I think anyone who says "use a camcorder for video" hasn't actually used a camcorder in the last 5 years, probably has no interest in video, and only says that to hide his/her ignorance about the topic.

To be fair, there are some areas where camcorders might outperform hybrid cameras: ENG or documentary film making being the most obvious. The hybrid cameras produce some great images though.

 MarcusBrody's gear list:MarcusBrody's gear list
Panasonic Lumix G 20mm F1.7 ASPH Panasonic Lumix G Vario 45-200mm F4-5.6 OIS Panasonic Lumix G Vario 14-42mm F3.5-5.6 ASPH OIS +3 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Gregm61
Forum ProPosts: 13,967Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to Vesku, Dec 13, 2013

The video button is the first button I reassign to do something else, because it will never be starting or ending videos.

-- hide signature --

"There's shadows in life, baby.." Jack Horner- Boogie Nights

 Gregm61's gear list:Gregm61's gear list
Olympus OM-D E-M5 Olympus E-M1 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Panasonic 12-35mm F2.8 Panasonic Lumix G X Vario 35-100mm F2.8 OIS +10 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Elemental Photography
Contributing MemberPosts: 670Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to Vesku, Dec 13, 2013

Vesku wrote:

1. Do you shoot video with your camera?

Not much

2. How much percent photo/video?

99%/1%

3. Do you prefer camcorder if shooting video?

No

4. Do you want better tests for video features here in DPREVIEW like test charts?

No

-- hide signature --

A photograph is a creative interpretation of reality.

 Elemental Photography's gear list:Elemental Photography's gear list
Pentax Optio WG-2 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GF2 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX1 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH3 Panasonic Lumix G 14mm F2.5 ASPH +7 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
berni29
Senior MemberPosts: 1,490Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to Elemental Photography, Dec 13, 2013

Hi

For me video is an add on, however occasionally it is a very useful add on.
--
Berni29
EM-5, GM1 + Pana 12-32mm, 20mm, 14-45mm Oly 45mm, 50mm F2, (prev GH1, E30, E510, E1, E300)

 berni29's gear list:berni29's gear list
Panasonic Lumix DMC-GM1 Olympus OM-D E-M5 Panasonic Lumix G 20mm F1.7 ASPH Olympus M.Zuiko Digital 45mm 1:1.8 Olympus Zuiko Digital ED 50mm 1:2.0 Macro +2 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
honeyiscool
Contributing MemberPosts: 995Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to MarcusBrody, Dec 13, 2013

MarcusBrody wrote:

honeyiscool wrote:

I think anyone who says "use a camcorder for video" hasn't actually used a camcorder in the last 5 years, probably has no interest in video, and only says that to hide his/her ignorance about the topic.

To be fair, there are some areas where camcorders might outperform hybrid cameras: ENG or documentary film making being the most obvious. The hybrid cameras produce some great images though.

Only in the deeper DOF and AF speed, though, but you can push hybrid cameras well above ISO 3200 to make up for the lost DOF. In any case, I would say that a Canon 70D, any of the Nikon 1s, or a GH3 do C-AF in video mode well enough to be as useful as most camcorders and the pure image quality is likely to be much better, too. And yes, zoom range, but a Sony RX10 gets you covered there, and cameras like the GH3 can do a digital zoom that shouldn't result in much quality loss as it samples the pixels at 100%.

 honeyiscool's gear list:honeyiscool's gear list
Olympus E-PL7 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH4 Olympus M.Zuiko Digital 45mm 1:1.8 Panasonic Leica Summilux DG 25mm F1.4 Panasonic Lumix G 14mm F2.5 ASPH +3 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
ryan2007
Veteran MemberPosts: 9,242Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to Vesku, Dec 13, 2013

Vesku wrote:

1. Do you shoot video with your camera?

2. How much percent photo/video?

3. Do you prefer camcorder if shooting video?

4. Do you want better tests for video features here in DPREVIEW like test charts?

I think camera manufacturers dont take video features seriously. They give us soft and overcontrasty aliased mess with weak codec. But is there even need for better video or testing video quality?

My answers:

1. yes

2. 40/60

3. No. Worse quality than best m4/3

4. yes indeed

1. No

2. 99% still 1% with current still camera

3. Yes, I have a dedicated video camera that does mostly everything the Panasonic GH-3 does, but with direct XLR inputs for better audio (for one type of accessory example).

4. Sure, but the review site Camcorder Info.com I think it is does that.

You can do the same with a dedicated video camera that you can do with a dedicated still camera. A video camera can take stills so the other way then what it was mainly designed to do.

Point is that it is a standard to just be there. Currently, past the Panasonic GH-3, Canon 5D iii, Canon EOS 70D and Nikon D7100 (i think is the current one) I think these are the only still models that have advanced video ability for what it is.

You should also look at news shooter.com and DSLR Video shooter.com. Lynda.com is a good site for learning how to not only use software but they have lessons on video related topics. It is a very comprehensive site. I think it is free for 7 days and then they charge, but I use it to help me a bit with Final Cut Pro.

 ryan2007's gear list:ryan2007's gear list
Fujifilm X-T1
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
JeanPierre Martel
Senior MemberPosts: 2,051Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to Vesku, Dec 13, 2013

Vesku wrote:

1. Do you shoot video with your camera?

Yes.

2. How much percent photo/video?

99%/1%.

These percentages give a wrong idea of what I do. Actually I'm always taking stills when I think that's appropriate and I do the same with videos.

3. Do you prefer camcorder if shooting video?

Why having a dedicated camcorder when cameras are good enough for me.

4. Do you want better tests for video features here in DPREVIEW like test charts?

I'm not against but I won't fight for that.

 JeanPierre Martel's gear list:JeanPierre Martel's gear list
Olympus OM-D E-M5 Panasonic Lumix G Vario 7-14mm F4 ASPH Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm 1:4-5.6 R Olympus M.Zuiko Digital ED 60mm 1:2.8 Macro Olympus 12-40mm F2.8 +21 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
GodSpeaks
Forum ProPosts: 10,273Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to Vesku, Dec 13, 2013

Vesku wrote:

1. Do you shoot video with your camera?

Yes

2. How much percent photo/video?

Close to 50/50

3. Do you prefer camcorder if shooting video?

Depends on the situation.  In the field... no.  In the studio... yes.  Basically, it depends on WHAT I am shooting.

4. Do you want better tests for video features here in DPREVIEW like test charts?

Don't care as there are plenty of other sites that cover video very well.  Plus I would never take a single review as my sole resource in making a buying decision.

I think camera manufacturers dont take video features seriously. They give us soft and overcontrasty aliased mess with weak codec. But is there even need for better video or testing video quality?

Panasonic is one of the few manufacturers that does seem to take video seriously.

-- hide signature --

The greatest of mankind's criminals are those who delude themselves into thinking they have done 'the right thing.'
- Rayna Butler

 GodSpeaks's gear list:GodSpeaks's gear list
Minolta DiMAGE 7i Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX3 Panasonic Lumix DMC-TS4 Panasonic Lumix DMC-TS5 Kodak DCS Pro SLR/n +40 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Mike_PEAT
Forum ProPosts: 10,675Gear list
Like?
For me video mode doesn't exist!
In reply to Vesku, Dec 13, 2013

Never used video mode on my still cameras.
99.99999999% still
I prefer my camcorder for video, but rarely shoot video.
Couldn't care less about the video tests!

 Mike_PEAT's gear list:Mike_PEAT's gear list
Lytro Light Field 16GB
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
jalywol
jalywol MOD
Veteran MemberPosts: 5,393Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to Vesku, Dec 13, 2013

Vesku wrote:

1. Do you shoot video with your camera?

2. How much percent photo/video?

3. Do you prefer camcorder if shooting video?

4. Do you want better tests for video features here in DPREVIEW like test charts?

1.  Only on the rarest of occasions

2.  99.99/0.01

3.  No

4.  Would not matter to me, but it might be a nice addition if nobody is doing it anywhere else.  However, I would expect a video site to have a much more comprehensive understanding of the process than DPR, so maybe it would be best to look for that kind of review site instead.

-J

Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Demon Cleaner
Forum MemberPosts: 76Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to Vesku, Dec 13, 2013

1. Yes
2. 60/40 photo/video
3. No (to the camcorder)
4. For sure. Video is just an extension of photography, albeit with moving elements. It's every bit as important to me as taking stills, and I put significant weight on a camera's video capabilities when making purchasing decisions.

Edit: And I completely ignore DPR's token section on video performance in its current format, and head to reputable sources for informed and educated analysis.

 Demon Cleaner's gear list:Demon Cleaner's gear list
Sony RX100 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX7 Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH4 Panasonic 12-35mm F2.8 Panasonic Lumix G Vario 7-14mm F4 ASPH +1 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Barry Stewart
Veteran MemberPosts: 8,259Gear list
Like?
Video is important to me
In reply to Vesku, Dec 13, 2013

Vesku wrote:

1. Do you shoot video with your camera?

Yes

2. How much percent photo/video?

Probably 95/5. Young grandkids are a great reason to have two abilities in one camera. Other times, the audio is an important part of the capture, such as for a choir performance. External mice jacks are a must-have for me.

3. Do you prefer camcorder if shooting video?

No, as the lens choice is so much better on the µ4/3 hybrids. Most camcorders have gone to small (and cheap-feeling, other than for pro and semi-pro), so ergonomics aren't really an advantage in dedicated cameras.

4. Do you want better tests for video features here in DPREVIEW like test charts?

Nice addition... but other sites do cover this aspect. If it slows them down or makes the review too unwieldy, then forget it.

Olympus could really get a leg up on the competition, by addressing the video aspect.

-- hide signature --

Barry

 Barry Stewart's gear list:Barry Stewart's gear list
Olympus C-5060 Wide Zoom Olympus PEN E-PL5 Olympus E-1 Olympus E-M1 Olympus Zuiko Digital 14-54mm 1:2.8-3.5 +9 more
Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Daiken
Regular MemberPosts: 137Gear list
Like?
Re: Is video an add-on or real feature to you?
In reply to Vesku, Dec 13, 2013

1. Yeah, I use it occasionally.

2. 92/8

3. Nope

4. A little more depth would be nice.

Reply   Reply with quote   Complain
Keyboard shortcuts:
FForum MMy threads