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" The duo share much of their design and together they completely demolish the status quo. We came very close to calling it a tie, but in the end, the Sony A7R's images swung it. With the higher-resolution sensor of the pair, the A7R's photos show razor-sharp detail comparable to a medium-format camera. Yet this is no medium-format body: along with its sibling, the Sony A7R is the smallest full-frame, fully-featured interchangeable lens camera on the market by a country mile."

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2013/12/11/13-best-cameras-for-2013-ir-cameras-and-lenses-of-the-year

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Well done Sony. Another banner year and can't wait for more next year....

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Definitely the biggest innovation of the year, if not to say, of the decade. The FF race has started, no doubt other companies will follow the suit. Expect every company jumping on the bandwagon. Canon/Nikon/Pentax are going to kill their DSLR cash cows, that's the only way for them to succeed in the future. Sony has a first-mover advantage now, but because FF compact mirrorless have the potential to capture the whole market occupied now by FF and crop sensors, mirrorless and DSLRs, the competition will likely be brutal. The next 5 years promise to be very interesting. Good for consumers, the prices are going to fall and the features and performance are going to improve.

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It's an underwhelming camera, short on substance, long on hype. Small....'cept the lenses are large... lightweight and mobile....'cept the cheapest budget DSLR kills it in autofocus speed and tracking accuracy....  A great new full-frame system....  'cept it's not a system. It's *A* camera, and an underwhelming one at that.

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.. A great new full-frame system.... 'cept it's not a system. It's *A* camera, and an underwhelming one at that.

perhaps thats why its "camera of the year" and not "system of the year"

for many people the camera and a prime or two is all they will ever want - - they don't need some huge system with hundreds of lenses - - Heck for decades now the standard leica kit would be a body with a 35mm, 50mm and 90mm lens most people never need more

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Chanthis wrote:

It's an underwhelming camera, short on substance, long on hype. Small....'cept the lenses are large... lightweight and mobile....'cept the cheapest budget DSLR kills it in autofocus speed and tracking accuracy.... A great new full-frame system.... 'cept it's not a system. It's *A* camera, and an underwhelming one at that.

I always love these productive replies coming from someone who doesn't have one, nor a need for this camera but feels the need to rip it.

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Chanthis wrote:

It's an underwhelming camera, short on substance, long on hype. Small....'cept the lenses are large... lightweight and mobile....'cept the cheapest budget DSLR kills it in autofocus speed and tracking accuracy.... A great new full-frame system.... 'cept it's not a system. It's *A* camera, and an underwhelming one at that.

Do you feel better about your camera now?

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short on substance

That is the perfect statement about your stupid post. Great job!

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It's an underwhelming camera, short on substance, long on hype.

Whoopee, an another underwhelming post from you.

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I've had this camera for over a week now.

Even though I certainly wouldn't rip it like the above poster did, I do find that their is hype, and I do find it lacking some substance. I've had FF cameras before (Canon 5D, Nikon D700) and they always had something significantly better in IQ than their APS-C counterparts. I'm failing to see the wow factor from the A7's files right now. There is an overall softness I can't seem to get rid of, and globally I am a little underwhelmed. Yes, the DR is SPECTACULAR, and the high ISO noise performance is pretty sweet (not D600 good, but good). But I'm not getting that kick in the face my D700 images had, for instance.

I'm on the fence as to whether of not keep it, I give in another two weeks and will try to make an educated decision, but so far it's the least impressive FF I've tried, for output. The A7R might be a totally different animal, but I won't put up with even worse shutter sound/feel and even slower AF.

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There is an overall softness I can't seem to get rid of, and globally I am a little underwhelmed. Yes, the DR is SPECTACULAR, and the high ISO noise performance is pretty sweet (not D600 good, but good). But I'm not getting that kick in the face my D700 images had, for instance.

Could you find out if the softness is caused by the lens, the sensor or the image processor. I saw a similar remark in an early preview of the A7 and A7r but there was no further detail.

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Chanthis wrote:

It's an underwhelming camera, short on substance, long on hype. Small....'cept the lenses are large... lightweight and mobile....'cept the cheapest budget DSLR kills it in autofocus speed and tracking accuracy.... A great new full-frame system.... 'cept it's not a system. It's *A* camera, and an underwhelming one at that.

But for the moment, it has the momentum. All the big review sites have lavished it with praise. And Sony is putting some marketing muscle behind it. January 2014 issue of Popular Photography calls the A7r a game changer, named it camera of the year. The issue also includes a 2-page ad spread on some party Sony has with the magazine. The January issue also apparently comes with a smaller magazine called Imaging Edge, which is basically a 24-page Sony ad with a Brian Smith photo of Samuel Jackson on the cover. I'd say Brian Smith is getting a pretty big push out of this, too - Good for him!

I think Sony is placing a bet. That bet is, the A7r doesn't need to be a system. Because of its adaptability, its outstanding IQ, and its obvious capacity for many kinds of photography (maybe not sports), you can buy one and make it part of your system, regardless of what else you shoot.

I think Sony may win that bet.

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" The duo share much of their design and together they completely demolish the status quo. We came very close to calling it a tie, but in the end, the Sony A7R's images swung it. With the higher-resolution sensor of the pair, the A7R's photos show razor-sharp detail comparable to a medium-format camera. Yet this is no medium-format body: along with its sibling, the Sony A7R is the smallest full-frame, fully-featured interchangeable lens camera on the market by a country mile."

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2013/12/11/13-best-cameras-for-2013-ir-cameras-and-lenses-of-the-year

and look who is next...

Well done Sony. Another banner year and can't wait for more next year....

I agree well done Sony...but it does say best cameras and lens of the year...how about best cameras with "a" lens of the year?

Lots of great cameras for sure, we are fortunate...Camera of the Year, Best Professional Camera: Olympus E-M1:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2013/12/11/cameras-of-the-year-2013-best-enthusiast-and-pro-cameras-and-lenses#best-procam

Glad they are both doing well...can't wait to see what Sony comes out with next!

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Marla2008 wrote:

I've had this camera for over a week now.

Even though I certainly wouldn't rip it like the above poster did, I do find that their is hype, and I do find it lacking some substance. I've had FF cameras before (Canon 5D, Nikon D700) and they always had something significantly better in IQ than their APS-C counterparts. I'm failing to see the wow factor from the A7's files right now. There is an overall softness I can't seem to get rid of, and globally I am a little underwhelmed. Yes, the DR is SPECTACULAR, and the high ISO noise performance is pretty sweet (not D600 good, but good). But I'm not getting that kick in the face my D700 images had, for instance.

I'm on the fence as to whether of not keep it, I give in another two weeks and will try to make an educated decision, but so far it's the least impressive FF I've tried, for output. The A7R might be a totally different animal, but I won't put up with even worse shutter sound/feel and even slower AF.

Claire I think that we need to get the root of your problem with image softness. Do you have any FF E-mount lenses or are all your problems with legacy lenses used with an adapter ?

Are you manually focussing using FP & is it landscape rather than close-ups which are noticeably soft ? Does camera shake play any part in this issue ? Is it inconsistency or are all the images soft ? Is the problem mainly  associated with Jpegs or are RAWs equally bad ? Are the originals poor or just the web-sized versions ? What kind of shooting conditions are you using ,sunny , flat light , low light or what ?

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Marla2008 wrote:

I've had this camera for over a week now.

Even though I certainly wouldn't rip it like the above poster did, I do find that their is hype, and I do find it lacking some substance. I've had FF cameras before (Canon 5D, Nikon D700) and they always had something significantly better in IQ than their APS-C counterparts. I'm failing to see the wow factor from the A7's files right now. There is an overall softness I can't seem to get rid of, and globally I am a little underwhelmed. Yes, the DR is SPECTACULAR, and the high ISO noise performance is pretty sweet (not D600 good, but good). But I'm not getting that kick in the face my D700 images had, for instance.

I'm on the fence as to whether of not keep it, I give in another two weeks and will try to make an educated decision, but so far it's the least impressive FF I've tried, for output. The A7R might be a totally different animal, but I won't put up with even worse shutter sound/feel and even slower AF.

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Hi Marla,

I keep the RX1 in camera sharpening set to +2 ALL the time rarely go to +1...shooting jpegs...A7 probably requires this as well...

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Marla2008 wrote:

I've had this camera for over a week now.

Even though I certainly wouldn't rip it like the above poster did, I do find that their is hype, and I do find it lacking some substance. I've had FF cameras before (Canon 5D, Nikon D700) and they always had something significantly better in IQ than their APS-C counterparts. I'm failing to see the wow factor from the A7's files right now. There is an overall softness I can't seem to get rid of, and globally I am a little underwhelmed. Yes, the DR is SPECTACULAR, and the high ISO noise performance is pretty sweet (not D600 good, but good). But I'm not getting that kick in the face my D700 images had, for instance.

I'm on the fence as to whether of not keep it, I give in another two weeks and will try to make an educated decision, but so far it's the least impressive FF I've tried, for output. The A7R might be a totally different animal, but I won't put up with even worse shutter sound/feel and even slower AF.

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I really think the best thing you can do is actually to return it like you did with your first and second NEX-7s (which you now hold up as the gold standard even though I remember you shortly jumping off to Fuji and didn't you also go try the OMD for a while?).  Without the A7, you'll objectively judge what there is about the camera you will miss and what it provides.  If you find after a month you can live without it, you need never look back - the NEX-7 is perfect for you and your wallet will thank you.  If you can't then you will learn to appreciate what it does offer instead of what you wish it did.  I think the problem with your reviews is you are always trying to compare non-overlapping feature sets and always underwhelmed as a result... even when nearly all the cameras you play with are all spectacularly good - if you could come to love the 3N, I don't see why you have much more trouble coming to terms with the A7 - except for the fact that your expectations are different, and that's really where your problems lie.

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LTZ470 wrote:

SonyA7r wrote:

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" The duo share much of their design and together they completely **demolish** the status quo. We came very close to calling it a tie, but in the end, the Sony A7R's images swung it. With the higher-resolution sensor of the pair, the A7R's photos show razor-sharp detail comparable to a medium-format camera. Yet this is no medium-format body: along with its sibling, the Sony A7R is the smallest full-frame, fully-featured interchangeable lens camera on the market by a country mile."

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2013/12/11/13-best-cameras-for-2013-ir-cameras-and-lenses-of-the-year

and look who is next...

Well done Sony. Another banner year and can't wait for more next year....

I agree well done Sony...but it does say best cameras and lens of the year...how about best cameras with "a" lens of the year?

Lots of great cameras for sure, we are fortunate...Camera of the Year, Best Professional Camera: Olympus E-M1.

Just wondering how many pro's use a m4/3 camera...

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" The duo share much of their design and together they completely demolish the status quo. We came very close to calling it a tie, but in the end, the Sony A7R's images swung it. With the higher-resolution sensor of the pair, the A7R's photos show razor-sharp detail comparable to a medium-format camera. Yet this is no medium-format body: along with its sibling, the Sony A7R is the smallest full-frame, fully-featured interchangeable lens camera on the market by a country mile."

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2013/12/11/13-best-cameras-for-2013-ir-cameras-and-lenses-of-the-year

and look who is next...

Well done Sony. Another banner year and can't wait for more next year....

This camera deserves it. Not so much a hype. Just a splendid camera. I am really tempted to buy one to use it with some great OM lenses.

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LTZ470 wrote:

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" The duo share much of their design and together they completely **demolish** the status quo. We came very close to calling it a tie, but in the end, the Sony A7R's images swung it. With the higher-resolution sensor of the pair, the A7R's photos show razor-sharp detail comparable to a medium-format camera. Yet this is no medium-format body: along with its sibling, the Sony A7R is the smallest full-frame, fully-featured interchangeable lens camera on the market by a country mile."

http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2013/12/11/13-best-cameras-for-2013-ir-cameras-and-lenses-of-the-year

and look who is next...

Well done Sony. Another banner year and can't wait for more next year....

I agree well done Sony...but it does say best cameras and lens of the year...how about best cameras with "a" lens of the year?

Lots of great cameras for sure, we are fortunate...Camera of the Year, Best Professional Camera: Olympus E-M1.

Just wondering how many pro's use a m4/3 camera...

Many more than one would think...would this also validate or invalidate the A7's being chosen buy the same Reviewer as Cameras of the Year?

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Marla2008 wrote:

I've had this camera for over a week now.

Even though I certainly wouldn't rip it like the above poster did, I do find that their is hype, and I do find it lacking some substance. I've had FF cameras before (Canon 5D, Nikon D700) and they always had something significantly better in IQ than their APS-C counterparts. I'm failing to see the wow factor from the A7's files right now. There is an overall softness I can't seem to get rid of, and globally I am a little underwhelmed. Yes, the DR is SPECTACULAR, and the high ISO noise performance is pretty sweet (not D600 good, but good). But I'm not getting that kick in the face my D700 images had, for instance.

I'm on the fence as to whether of not keep it, I give in another two weeks and will try to make an educated decision, but so far it's the least impressive FF I've tried, for output. The A7R might be a totally different animal, but I won't put up with even worse shutter sound/feel and even slower AF.

At the end of the day I'm wondering if the problem is simply your expectations.   If you were expecting the A7 to have the same advantage over the NEX 7 that the D700 had over the D300 or D90 then your expectations are off IMO.  The gap between APS-C and FF has clearly narrowed since then.

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Marla2008 wrote:

I've had this camera for over a week now.

Even though I certainly wouldn't rip it like the above poster did, I do find that their is hype, and I do find it lacking some substance. I've had FF cameras before (Canon 5D, Nikon D700) and they always had something significantly better in IQ than their APS-C counterparts. I'm failing to see the wow factor from the A7's files right now. There is an overall softness I can't seem to get rid of, and globally I am a little underwhelmed. Yes, the DR is SPECTACULAR, and the high ISO noise performance is pretty sweet (not D600 good, but good). But I'm not getting that kick in the face my D700 images had, for instance.

I'm on the fence as to whether of not keep it, I give in another two weeks and will try to make an educated decision, but so far it's the least impressive FF I've tried, for output. The A7R might be a totally different animal, but I won't put up with even worse shutter sound/feel and even slower AF.

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what lens are you using? I have A7 with Sony 50 1.4 and it is sharp!

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