Nikkor 10-24 and 12-24 vs Tokina 12-28 f4

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Nikkor 10-24 and 12-24 vs Tokina 12-28 f4
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Does anybody have experience comparing these lenses? Of course I saw several reviews online of the tokina, including Ken Rockwell's and they all seem very good and the lens is called extremely sharp (that seems quite abstract and I am not so sure how to compare that to what I already own, my 50mm 1.8 being my sharpest lens).

I was just hoping from some real world use opinions. I have read the tokina is almost as good as the 12-24 f4 Nikkor (which is x2 the price). I have only seen Nexu1's review on the tokina on this forum, but no real opinion of how it compares to the two nikkor lenses.

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In reply to autre_pensee, 7 months ago

I just went through a huge analysis of this issue when I bought my wide angle. You basically need to decide what is going to be important to you. If image quality is number one then go with the Tokina 11-16mm mark 2. If range is going to be number one and image quality second then go with the Nikon 10-24mm.

I just bought the tokina 11-16 mark 2 and it is a fantastic lens. People complain about the flaring problems that the mark 1 had, but 1) the mark 2 has fixed most of that and 2), what remains is no better or worse then most of my lenses. Just don't shoot the sun without a good polarizer on the lens.

I shot this a few days ago with the tokina 11-16 and a circular polarizer by hanging out my car as I drove by.

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sapple wrote:

I just went through a huge analysis of this issue when I bought my wide angle. You basically need to decide what is going to be important to you. If image quality is number one then go with the Tokina 11-16mm mark 2. If range is going to be number one and image quality second then go with the Nikon 10-24mm.

I just bought the tokina 11-16 mark 2 and it is a fantastic lens. People complain about the flaring problems that the mark 1 had, but 1) the mark 2 has fixed most of that and 2), what remains is no better or worse then most of my lenses. Just don't shoot the sun without a good polarizer on the lens.

I shot this a few days ago with the tokina 11-16 and a circular polarizer by hanging out my car as I drove by.

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THank you for your time and answer. Beautiful shot!!

What makes you lean towards the 10-24mm Nikkor versus the 12-28 Tokina? I had read everywhere that the 12-28 was superior in IQ to the 10-24 (while being 250$ cheaper) and almost on par with the 12-24 Nikkor....

My reasoning in discarding the 11-16 2.8 is indeed range. I am afraid of getting that lens and never using it because of its limited range whereas with a 10+--20+ range like the 12-28 or 12-24 or even 10-24, you can use it as a walk around. That would allow me to not have to take my 18-105 when going on vacation. and just go with the wide angle zoom and the 70-300

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In reply to autre_pensee, 7 months ago

I was in similar dilemma some days back and bought 12-28.

I have not used the 10-24 or 11-16 so can't really comment about them.

Prime factors that influenced my decision:

- Good reviews

- Range

- Price

I was worried about the CA and Flare mentioned by lenstip but I am yet to see any.

Search for 12-28 in dpreview - you will get lots of sample picture in a thread titled '...12-28 in hand..."

In "Samples & Gallery" you can see some pictures I took using 12-28 on 7100.

These are the firs snaps I have ever taken with a wide angle and am a beginner. I am very happy with the purchase.

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klaminero wrote:

sapple wrote:

I just went through a huge analysis of this issue when I bought my wide angle. You basically need to decide what is going to be important to you. If image quality is number one then go with the Tokina 11-16mm mark 2. If range is going to be number one and image quality second then go with the Nikon 10-24mm.

What makes you lean towards the 10-24mm Nikkor versus the 12-28 Tokina? I had read everywhere that the 12-28 was superior in IQ to the 10-24 (while being 250$ cheaper) and almost on par with the 12-24 Nikkor....

Contrary to appearance, the 10-24 is more meaningfully wider at the wide end than the 12-28 is longer at the long end.  At the wide end the difference is 109 vs 99 degrees; 10 degrees is about the width of your hand held at arm's length.  The 12-28 is a "normal" lens at the long end, because the diagonal of a 24 x 18mm sensor is 30mm.  In terms of AoV 24mm is 61 degrees, 28mm is 54 degrees, which means a difference of about three fingers held at arm's length.  Note the misleading effect of the inverse relationship of focal length and angle of view: at the wide end 2mm focal length is 10 degrees AoV but at the long end 4mm focal length is only 7 degrees AoV.

Personally, I find really wide angles embarrass my photographic skills, and getting to 54 degrees means I don't need a "normal" lens, but you need to decide for yourself which uses matter to you.

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I am glad this has been posted as I am in a similar position myself.  A wide angle isn't something I would be using on a daily basis but I have been finding myself needing a little extra wider n some situations and I always think that having a wider lens will help me be more creative.  The widest my current lens goes to is 16mm.

I have started a bit of night photography so I need a lens that render good results in this situation but also sharp.  I have been torn between the Nikon 10-24 or 12-24, one is newer but one, from what I have read has the nikon gold brand premium lens but is older.  I only have a D90 at the moment which I am happy with but want a lens that will also perform well with a newer camera to safe guard me for the future.  What do people think on the two nikons?

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Penny123 wrote:

What do people think on the two nikons?

The only difference, apart from the extra 2mm at the wide end, is slightly better build quality in the 12-24.

But: if you shop the used market carefully the 12-24 is a bargain.  B&H regularly have the 12-24 in near-new condition (B&H "9") for substantially less than the 10-24 new price, and the 10-24 rarely comes up used.

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Sante Patate wrote:

klaminero wrote:

sapple wrote:

I just went through a huge analysis of this issue when I bought my wide angle. You basically need to decide what is going to be important to you. If image quality is number one then go with the Tokina 11-16mm mark 2. If range is going to be number one and image quality second then go with the Nikon 10-24mm.

What makes you lean towards the 10-24mm Nikkor versus the 12-28 Tokina? I had read everywhere that the 12-28 was superior in IQ to the 10-24 (while being 250$ cheaper) and almost on par with the 12-24 Nikkor....

Contrary to appearance, the 10-24 is more meaningfully wider at the wide end than the 12-28 is longer at the long end. At the wide end the difference is 109 vs 99 degrees; 10 degrees is about the width of your hand held at arm's length. The 12-28 is a "normal" lens at the long end, because the diagonal of a 24 x 18mm sensor is 30mm. In terms of AoV 24mm is 61 degrees, 28mm is 54 degrees, which means a difference of about three fingers held at arm's length. Note the misleading effect of the inverse relationship of focal length and angle of view: at the wide end 2mm focal length is 10 degrees AoV but at the long end 4mm focal length is only 7 degrees AoV.

Personally, I find really wide angles embarrass my photographic skills, and getting to 54 degrees means I don't need a "normal" lens, but you need to decide for yourself which uses matter to you.

Thats my thought on leaning towards the 12-28.

Thank you for your answer

I am not sure how much of the depth effect i will loose between 10 and 12mm.

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Sante Patate wrote:

Penny123 wrote:

What do people think on the two nikons?

The only difference, apart from the extra 2mm at the wide end, is slightly better build quality in the 12-24.

But: if you shop the used market carefully the 12-24 is a bargain. B&H regularly have the 12-24 in near-new condition (B&H "9") for substantially less than the 10-24 new price, and the 10-24 rarely comes up used.

So would you recommend buying a "9" 12-24 Nikkor for 730$ rather than a new 540$ 12-28 tokina?

You think the nikkor is that much better?

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http://www.lenstip.com/252.1-Lens_review-Tokina_AT-X_124_PRO_DX_II_AF_12-24_mm_f_4-Introduction.html

http://www.lenstip.com/381.1-Lens_review-Tokina_AT-X_PRO_DX_12-28_mm_f_4-Introduction.html

I had Tokina 11-16, 12-24 and Sigma 10-20. All found other users. They all were sharp but lacked the contrast and "crispness" of Nikon 12-24 which I'm using now. You can get used one in mint, I mean really mint condition for around $500. That's what I paid for mine in 2012 whit a serial number starting wit 367.., originally purchased in 2009. Also Nikon 12-24 is unbeatable in flare resistance comparison.

This issue has been debated here countless times.

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klaminero wrote:

Sante Patate wrote:

Penny123 wrote:

What do people think on the two nikons?

The only difference, apart from the extra 2mm at the wide end, is slightly better build quality in the 12-24.

But: if you shop the used market carefully the 12-24 is a bargain. B&H regularly have the 12-24 in near-new condition (B&H "9") for substantially less than the 10-24 new price, and the 10-24 rarely comes up used.

So would you recommend buying a "9" 12-24 Nikkor for 730$ rather than a new 540$ 12-28 tokina?

You think the nikkor is that much better?

I own the older 12-24 Tokina, and it is a very nice lens but I really do not like the focus clutch system the Tokina has (the focus ring is pulled and pushed to switch from AF to MF) so I would pay a bit more for the Nikon just to avoid that system.  That is just me - most people really like the focus clutch system.

The Nikon is a slightly better lens.  How much that is worth only you can say.  At new prices - $1000 for the Nikon - I would take the Tokina 12-28 every time.  At equal prices I would take the Nikon every time.  At $200 difference it is evenly balanced but I would take the Nikon purely because of the focus clutch thing.

The other issue is that, as with all 3rd party lenses, there is no guarantee that the Tokina will focus or meter with next generation Nikon bodies.

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In reply to adamba, 7 months ago

Thanks for that as flare and ghosting was something I was concerned about.  Using my 16-85, shooting into the sun is a bit of a nightmare and when I was shooting some night photography the other week in some shots with bright lights near by I got a lot of flare which I hope to avoid in any new purchases.

I can get a used 12-24 for £200 less than a 10-24 but I wouldn't mind paying that £200 if it had better optics, then again the 10mm offers that little bit wider although I should notice a sufficient different between 12mm and 16mm.

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So I ended up going for the Nikon 12-24 f4.

I got a good deal on adorama, lens E+ (flawless glass and almost no sign of wear and tear on barrel) for 600$ with no tax and free shipping. So it ends up being the same price as the tokina 12-28 which would have been 550+tax at a local store.

I did try the tokina in a store over the weekend. It is incredibly sharp (at least compared to my 18-105 @ 18mm).

I also realized that the span of focal length from 24 to 28mm is really not that significant... in most cases, a few steps or a tiny bit of cropping will give you that.

But ultimately, what made me choose the nikon were 3 factors:

- Claims of better contrast and flare resistance by users on here

- Better expected resale value (if I take care of it, I hope to be able to resell it for >500$ with less loss than i would have taken reselling the tokina)

- Better compatibility with my D7k (if i ever want to shoot jpg) and with my raw software "Darktable" which does not support the Tokina 12-28 yet.

Thank you everybody for the help

I will post pictures of both in a couple of weeks if i get a chance

PS: The local salesman whom lent me the tokina for a try was pretty adamant that I should not consider the 12-24 f4, that my choice should be between the nikon 10-24 and the tokina 12-28, however, everything i've read mentioned how cheap the 10-24 build is, and that it is pretty soft at 10mm. I didnt try the lens but trusted what i had seen online and went with the constant aperture lens 12-24.

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Several years ago, I read post after post from owners of both the Nikon and Tokina 12-24 where the owners claimed the Tokina was much better.  One admitted selling the Tokina because of the Nikon brand.

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You won't regret.

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Still loving my Tokina 12-28.  Excellent resolution, contrast and detail.  I haven't had any problems with flare.

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Congrats!

Great little lens, and I sure miss mine. Don't ever go FX or you're forced to choose between big, ugly and heavy monsters...

*shakes head*

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Janoch wrote:

Congrats!

Great little lens, and I sure miss mine. Don't ever go FX or you're forced to choose between big, ugly and heavy monsters...

*shakes head*

The new 18-35 is a excellent FX lens, same diameter and actually a bit lighter than the 12-24.

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Nexu1 wrote:

Janoch wrote:

Congrats!

Great little lens, and I sure miss mine. Don't ever go FX or you're forced to choose between big, ugly and heavy monsters...

*shakes head*

The new 18-35 is a excellent FX lens, same diameter and actually a bit lighter than the 12-24.

Btw, thank you Nexu1 for your great thread on the 12-28. It definitely sparked my interest for the tokina.

Ultimately, I think they are probably very similar on quality, but because of the in-camera distortion correction when i need it, and the resell value being higher, the nikkor was a more practical choice for me.

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Thanks for the tip, but...

... I've promised myself only to have lenses with a golden ring and constant aperture.

To the left my lovely, little 12-24. In the middle it's replacement for FX... to the right the 24-120mm f/4.

The 12-24 and 24-120 was imho the "perfect" walk-about kit for the D300s.

Now...?

Can't get the same for FX without zoom- and focus rings are "reversed"... have even been thinking of replacing the 24-120 with the 28-70mm f/2.8

Sigh.

Thank you very much, Nikon, for not releasing the D400.

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