Why I Wanted an Articulated Screen Camera...

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Why I Wanted an Articulated Screen Camera...
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The image below could not have been taken without an articulated screen.

The reason being that there was a tall fence surrounding the property. The fence did not have openings large enough for a camera lens so any attempt to get an image would have contained the fence. I was able to raise the camera (Panasonic G6) high enough and with the aid of the articulated screen I could see what I was shooting. The end result is the picture below. While not a fantastic photo, it would not have been possible without a ladder using one of my Pentax bodies.

Today was the first real day of shooting I have had with my new Panasonic G6. There are certainly differences between it and my Pentax bodies. This camera is even smaller and lighter than my K-01.

Where as the K-01 has a solid feel to it the G6 has more of a plastic feel to it. I rather enjoy using the EVF of the Panasonic G6 as it is very useful and clear. And, of course, it has an articulated screen too.

Image wise, after having shot many pictures today, I have to say I am very pleased. I actually have to do less PP with it than with my Pentax gear.

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Shot using the articulated screen on the Panasonic G6

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Maybe you would have been able to get an even better photo with a ladder and your Pentax gear.

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I've taken several over the head shots with my pentax dslr in live view, and done just fine.  Granted my view isn't as good as I'd like it to be, but it's enough to know that I'm focusing on the right thing and that exposure looks ok.  So I don't buy that you could not have gotten that shot with a Pentax...

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me to i love my articulated screen on the fz150 most of all low camera portrait framing. does your g6 streem live view hdmi out ? to a monitor or can you preview with the cable pluged in ?

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Mike Hiran wrote:

I've taken several over the head shots with my pentax dslr in live view, and done just fine. Granted my view isn't as good as I'd like it to be, but it's enough to know that I'm focusing on the right thing and that exposure looks ok. So I don't buy that you could not have gotten that shot with a Pentax...

Well, I have shot with my Pentax for many years and when I say I could not have gotten that shot while being able to view what I was shooting is a fact. The articulated screen is a tool that helped me accomplish what I wanted to shoot. It would have been a pot shot without me being able to view what I was shooting.

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me to i love my articulated screen on the fz150 most of all low camera portrait framing. does your g6 streem live view hdmi out ? to a monitor or can you preview with the cable pluged in ?

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The camera is still very new to me so I am not sure all it is capable of doing. It seems like I did see where someone was doing that very thing though.

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Maybe you would have been able to get an even better photo with a ladder and your Pentax gear.

Tell you what, next time I go out with my Pentax gear, I will call you to come along to carry the ladder!

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I'm not familiar with Panny model naming.  Where does this camera fit in their line up with the GX7 etc.?

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Similar reasoning lead me to supplement my Pentax with an NEX-6. I missed shooting waist-level with my Mamiya 645 film camera (until I dropped it while drunk - live & learn).

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I'm not familiar with Panny model naming. Where does this camera fit in their line up with the GX7 etc.?

I believe it sits between the GH3 and the GX7 cameras.

It is very similar to the GH3 but without the weather proofing, etc. It is also a little smaller than the GH3. Unlike the GX7 where it has built-in anti-shake in the body, it uses lens with AS.

There is much I have to learn with this camera as it is set-up a little differently than my Pentax gear.

As I become more familiar with it I will later be able to really compare it to my Pentax cameras. Right now all I can really say is that the images I have shot with it so far compare well to my Pentax images.

That is saying a lot since Pentax has an ASP-C sensor while the G6 is a m4/3rds camera.

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grcolts wrote:

Mike Hiran wrote:

I've taken several over the head shots with my pentax dslr in live view, and done just fine. Granted my view isn't as good as I'd like it to be, but it's enough to know that I'm focusing on the right thing and that exposure looks ok. So I don't buy that you could not have gotten that shot with a Pentax...

Well, I have shot with my Pentax for many years and when I say I could not have gotten that shot while being able to view what I was shooting is a fact. The articulated screen is a tool that helped me accomplish what I wanted to shoot. It would have been a pot shot without me being able to view what I was shooting.

The trick to using live view overhead when you need to tilt the camera down a little and thus the view from the LCD becomes less usable or unusable, is to put the camera on a monopod and use a wired remote. What putting the camera on a monopod does is lets you move the camera further out in front of you so that you can hopefully maintain the maximum viewing angle of the LCD in your sight. I've also attempted this when wanting to get low shots, but you need to be able to squat or bend at the waist to be able to control the camera and get it close to the ground.

That said, it would be better if Pentax just came out with a body with an articulating LCD. My personal choice would be to have the articulation joint at the bottom mid point of the LCD so that the left side of the camera remains clear. What would be really smart would be to use the depth of the camera as an advantage, and have an extension under the body that you can pull out the LCD on. Sort of a LCD on a stick. The connection for the LCD would be inside the extension, through the ball head at the end of the extension that connects the LCD to the system. With the depth of the camera and mount, you probably could pull the extension out far enough to allow the LCD to flip 90° in portrait and still stay within the physical area defined by the confines of the camera. In other words, you wouldn't have to have the LCD sticking out the bottom of the camera to be able to tilt the screen in portrait orientation.

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citrontokyo wrote:

Maybe you would have been able to get an even better photo with a ladder and your Pentax gear.

Tell you what, next time I go out with my Pentax gear, I will call you to come along to carry the ladder!

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You mean you can't fit one in your backpack? What you need, my friend, is not an articulating screen, but a bigger backpack to put the ladder in! A big plus is that you wouldn't need to carry 2 cameras anymore.
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citrontokyo wrote:

Maybe you would have been able to get an even better photo with a ladder and your Pentax gear.

Tell you what, next time I go out with my Pentax gear, I will call you to come along to carry the ladder!

You mean you can't fit one in your backpack? What you need, my friend, is not an articulating screen, but a bigger backpack to put the ladder in! A big plus is that you wouldn't need to carry 2 cameras anymore.

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Or you could just use live view and a small mirror.

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Obvious troll, who doesn't have a ladder with them while taking a stroll...... JK of course

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While I think it is possible to shoot overhead without an articulating screen but a little practice and small series of shots to pick the best it sure would be more easy with an articulating screen.

What I do not like about this example is the intrusion into privacy. The fence obviously was there for some reason, and you did not respect it. A very minor case here, I agree, yet, I would not like any camera peeping over my fence, just because it is technically possible.

That said articulated screens can be a big help in many other situations like close to ground shots, macro shots, shooting over crowds etc. So I would like to see it in a Pentax cam but it is not a deal breaker to me as there are (more or less convenient) ways to work around it.

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Interesting building, and well worth going to the effort of capturing the decay and distress.

I used to use Oly & Panny 4/3 and µ4/3 bodies, and most were equipped with articulated screens, so I'm familiar to situations where they come in useful. What I think has changed is the LCD quality. On my K-01 and K5IIs, I find the screen can viewed at incredibly shallow angles - far more so than I remember on my E3 for example.

Routinely I use my K5IIs at waist level, held forward just a little, when taking wide-angle interior pics for example. Holding the camera at face level often doesn't work, as its distorts the image too much, so unless I use a tripod and spend a lot more time, I use the rear LCD with the camera tensioned on strap, and that works fine. Similarly, above the head with arms outstretched, it absolutely works. Back in my E330 days, I remember using the pivoting screen at Le Mans over the heads of the crowds, and that was a pioneering design at the time.

I don't buy the argument that a pivoting screen is fragile and easily broken - Oly made a great job with their designs, and I never of any instances of breakages. But a pivoting screen would add bulk to the rear body projection of the K5 & K3 series, and cost.

Macros are the area I often regret not having a pivot screen for; I often used the G1 in portrait mode, screen open, fingers on the grip, in woodland floors.  But I also have an MX-1 which has its own tiltable screen with amazing macro quality and  deeper DOF, and that provides the answer now ...

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I don't see where a shot like that would be much of a challenge.  I don't have to take them often, but it's easy enough to just point the camera and take several shots as I slightly move the camera. Check photos and re-shoot if I need to.  I usually get what I need within a few shots.  I may have to slightly crop it or rotate the image a bit, but unless I was doing lots of these, the small amount of effort wouldn't be worth buying another camera for.   Besides, I've never taken one of these where I couldn't at least see the screen at an steep angle - enough to still come very close on the composition.

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I think what you need is more practice.

Particularly in the scene you are showing, I see no reason why you would absolutely need to have to look through the viewfinder or being able to check the liveview. Simply hold the camera as high as you can, point the lens roughly to the subject and press the shutter.

This is typically the technique I am using when having to shoot over the crowd or flowers on ground level, it works even with cameras having no liveview at all like the 645D:

That being said, ask yourself why there is such a high fence around that house. It could be to get rid of the photographers...

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"That being said, ask yourself why there is such a high fence around that house. It could be to get rid of the photographers..."

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Actually, the fence was put up by the NPS and not the owner of the property as a property boundary.

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