Is EOS M suitable as a second Camera ?!!

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Daniel Lee Taylor
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In reply to dw123, Dec 10, 2013

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Nonsense, it might not AF like PDAF on a DSLR, but it copes with some movement. It might not keep up with a racing car, but it is quite adequate for everyday general use for most photographers.

Exactly. The AF drama is over played. With single point AF the 18-55mm is actually quick and the 22mm is quite usable.

AF speed does not bug me on my M and my frame of reference is a 7D with USM L lenses. Of course I don't expect my M to track birds or sports, but for what I use it for it's fine.

Shot to shot black out time annoys me much more, but doesn't prevent me from making good use of the M.

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In reply to Masoud Tahami, Dec 11, 2013

Masoud Tahami wrote:

tanQ friends.

I have an other guestion about EOS M too;

what mean that?!! it means that eye-fi technology is built-in or means that an eye-fi card is needed, which one ?!!
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I use the toshiba flashair card with my eos m.

1. You need eyefi card

2. Once plugged in and set up, c

onnection Is through Android app.

3.It will only transfer jpegs, raw files will be ignored.

4. You cannot control the cam through the app. It will only do ONE THING, which is transferring jpegs to your smartphone or tablet.

5. The eos m is a great quality camera. The body is made in japan, imagine that.

And it takes great pictures.

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In reply to dual12, Dec 11, 2013

Check out YouTube videos. There's a video of a pro photographer comparing the focus speed/accuracy of the EOS M to his Canon DSLR. In one segment, he uses the adapter with one of his DSLR lenses. In the time it took for him to focus on his daughter with the EOS M, she grew up, started a career, got married, had kids, and died:).

Ahhh the return of the YouTube expert... The AF of the EOS M is just a touch slower (maybe 150 ms) than my Fuji x-pro1... Basically typical AF speed for mirrorless...

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Check out YouTube videos. There's a video of a pro photographer comparing the focus speed/accuracy of the EOS M to his Canon DSLR. In one segment, he uses the adapter with one of his DSLR lenses. In the time it took for him to focus on his daughter with the EOS M, she grew up, started a career, got married, had kids, and died:).

Ahhh the return of the YouTube expert... The AF of the EOS M is just a touch slower (maybe 150 ms) than my Fuji x-pro1... Basically typical AF speed for mirrorless...

:)) you nailed it!!! YouTube expert, ha-ha!!!!

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Then she was reincarnated, lived another full life, and the EOS M still hadn't focused.

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Masoud Tahami wrote:

Hi.
photography is my Hobby. I have an EOS 60D with several lenses. i like to have my Camera with me anywhere but it's not possible & i know this is a problem fot many of us !!
i want to ask; is EOS M suitable as a second & more available & accessible camera for me ?!!
the most important question is autofocus speed. you think, it will be acceptable for me (in compered with EOS 60D) ?!!
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Yes it is.

I have a 60D and an M.  I keep a telephoto on the 60D, or 17-55 f2.8 depending on what i"m doing, and have the M with one of the 11-22, 22 f2.0 or 40 f2.8 depending on what i'm doing.  The telephoto on one and the landscape lens on the other is great for outdoor type stuff.

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Then she was reincarnated, lived another full life, and the EOS M still hadn't focused.

Go away, little girl.

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Bu....it, AF speed is sufficient for MOST of "normal" users! Probably not for Sports Illustrated photogs. I use pro gear, both Canon and Leica, and M is a fantastic, light, back-up digicam capable (RAW) of delivering as good results! Stop this AF-speed paranoya please!
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dual12 wrote:

Masoud Tahami wrote:

the most important question is autofocus speed. you think, it will be acceptable for me (in compered with EOS 60D) ?!!
tanQ.

Of course not. If you're at all concerned with focus speed, do NOT buy an EOS M. The EOS M is for people who don't care about focus speed.

This is absolute nonsense, as anyone who has actually used the M (with updated firmware) can tell you. The focus speed is not as fast as a DSLR, such as the 60D, when used with optical viewfinder, but considerably faster than live view AF on the 60D. The M's AF is also considerably faster than a compact point and shoot, such as the Canon S100. It is perfectly fast enough for anything except fast action. Anyone who thinks otherwise either hasn't used it, is an idiot, or both. The AF is also very accurate. More so than a DSLR.

I use my M as a second camera to my 7D. More accurately, the 7D is now the second camera to my M. This is because I have the M with me all the time. The 7D, even more so than the 60D, is too big to carry with me everywhere I go.

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Absolutely brilliant reply! You´ve nailed it perfectly!

Amen to that!

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In reply to Masoud Tahami, Dec 12, 2013

I've always carried a high end point and shoot as a second camera and given that mirrorless cameras like the EOS M are exactly that - high end point and shoots - go for it!

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Marcos Villaroman wrote:

Does your subject move or stay still? If your subject moves, the EOS-M is not for you. If your subject doesn't move, the EOS-M's AF might be OK.

Nonsense, it might not AF like PDAF on a DSLR, but it copes with some movement. It might not keep up with a racing car, but it is quite adequate for everyday general use for most photographers.

My keeper rate shooting EOS-M on subjects that aren't momentarily stationary isn't good enough that I would recommend buying an EOS-M if shooting moving subjects is a prime goal.  I am not talking continuously tracking a moving target.

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dw123 wrote:

Marcos Villaroman wrote:

Does your subject move or stay still? If your subject moves, the EOS-M is not for you. If your subject doesn't move, the EOS-M's AF might be OK.

Nonsense, it might not AF like PDAF on a DSLR, but it copes with some movement. It might not keep up with a racing car, but it is quite adequate for everyday general use for most photographers.

My keeper rate shooting EOS-M on subjects that aren't momentarily stationary isn't good enough that I would recommend buying an EOS-M if shooting moving subjects is a prime goal. I am not talking continuously tracking a moving target.

Do you use servo?

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dw123 wrote:

Marcos Villaroman wrote:

Does your subject move or stay still? If your subject moves, the EOS-M is not for you. If your subject doesn't move, the EOS-M's AF might be OK.

Nonsense, it might not AF like PDAF on a DSLR, but it copes with some movement. It might not keep up with a racing car, but it is quite adequate for everyday general use for most photographers.

My keeper rate shooting EOS-M on subjects that aren't momentarily stationary isn't good enough that I would recommend buying an EOS-M if shooting moving subjects is a prime goal. I am not talking continuously tracking a moving target.

I'm confused... I've shot moving targets... If the light is good... I crank up the DOF and fire away... Get lots of keepers...  i could see where the much faster shutter speed on a dslr could freeze action better than the m...

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Masoud Tahami wrote:

Hi.
photography is my Hobby. I have an EOS 60D with several lenses. i like to have my Camera with me anywhere but it's not possible & i know this is a problem fot many of us !!
i want to ask; is EOS M suitable as a second & more available & accessible camera for me ?!!
the most important question is autofocus speed. you think, it will be acceptable for me (in compered with EOS 60D) ?!!
tanQ.

Yes it is.

I have a 60D and an M. I keep a telephoto on the 60D, or 17-55 f2.8 depending on what i"m doing, and have the M with one of the 11-22, 22 f2.0 or 40 f2.8 depending on what i'm doing. The telephoto on one and the landscape lens on the other is great for outdoor type stuff.

That is exactly what i think about. A telephoto lens for my 60D and a wide lens for EOS M which i want to buy.
tanQ, your note excited me and vouched my wish.

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Does your subject move or stay still? If your subject moves, the EOS-M is not for you. If your subject doesn't move, the EOS-M's AF might be OK.

No. See:  http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52526142

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I have a 60D, and bought the M for exactly the same reasons as the OP. I love it as a second, take anywhere camera. The firmware update sorted any af issues, which I never really found that bad anyway.

If you already have a 60d and lenses, then it makes sense to buy the M and the lens adapter.

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In reply to Masoud Tahami, Dec 17, 2013

Masoud Tahami wrote:

tanQ friends.

I have an other guestion about EOS M too;

what mean that?!! it means that eye-fi technology is built-in or means that an eye-fi card is needed, which one ?!!
(Rock and Rollei)

It means a card is needed, but there is inbuilt support for it - that support is fairly linited, in terms of keeping the camera switched on whilst the card is uploading imaged, allowing the WiFi to be switched off and there's an Eye-Fi icon, that's about it, but it does make it a bit easier than working with a camra without such support.

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In reply to Rock and Rollei, Dec 18, 2013

to add to the useful info above. I used an Eye-Fi card with my EOS-M and it drains the battery very quickly. I prefer using a normal card and reader becuase of that.

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to add to the useful info above. I used an Eye-Fi card with my EOS-M and it drains the battery very quickly. I prefer using a normal card and reader becuase of that.

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Yes, that's true. The battery drain, not your typing!

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In reply to Masoud Tahami, Dec 18, 2013

The focus speed will not compare well to a DSLR (except for live view in which case the am does well). The M is my primary camera and I am glad it is. As with ALL cameras, time spent with using it will let you learn the workflow needed for taking pictures, whatever the situation. I am continually impressed with what this camera delivers. It is a much better camera than the Internet reviewers (most which don't have it) give it credit. All I want is a few more native M lenses.

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