My 12-35 arrived

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Enir4
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My 12-35 arrived
9 months ago

I used to like the 12-32, and now I could trash it. It's always the same story, the newer and greater shows the shortcomings of the older stuff. So much for walking around with my GM1 and kit 12-32. Oh well.

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Well then, I will take your 12-32 if you no longer want it!

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I used to like the 12-32, and now I could trash it. It's always the same story, the newer and greater shows the shortcomings of the older stuff. So much for walking around with my GM1 and kit 12-32. Oh well.

Enrique

Mmmi...Could you elaborate? Maybe share some comparison samples? The 12-35 has the extra speed, of course, with the attendant ability to keep up the ISO in low light, and the ability to have shallower DOF, but in other respects, in good light,I expect the IQs to be comparable.
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My somewhat similar situation is that I have the Olympus E-M5 and as standard zoom lenses I have the Panasonic 14-42X (pancake zoom lens) and the 12-40 f/2.8. Your post suggests that the 14-42X should be gathering dust. But it does not and in fact the 14-42X is on my camera most of the time because it makes for a very compact setup that I can carry just about everywhere. The 12-40 only comes out for real "shoots" that are planned. Most of the time when I just want to be ready to take a good shot of an unexpected event the 14-42X is on the camera and does an excellent job.

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Chas2 wrote:

Well then, I will take your 12-32 if you no longer want it!

Deal! 700 euros and it's all yours!

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Robert Deutsch wrote:

I used to like the 12-32, and now I could trash it. It's always the same story, the newer and greater shows the shortcomings of the older stuff. So much for walking around with my GM1 and kit 12-32. Oh well.

Enrique

Mmmi...Could you elaborate? Maybe share some comparison samples? The 12-35 has the extra speed, of course, with the attendant ability to keep up the ISO in low light, and the ability to have shallower DOF, but in other respects, in good light,I expect the IQs to be comparable.
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The 12-35 is not only much sharper, it also has more accurate colors and better rendering. They didn't put only bigger glass, but better glass. I will try to post some examples, maybe tomorrow.

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Paul De Bra wrote:

My somewhat similar situation is that I have the Olympus E-M5 and as standard zoom lenses I have the Panasonic 14-42X (pancake zoom lens) and the 12-40 f/2.8. Your post suggests that the 14-42X should be gathering dust. But it does not and in fact the 14-42X is on my camera most of the time because it makes for a very compact setup that I can carry just about everywhere. The 12-40 only comes out for real "shoots" that are planned. Most of the time when I just want to be ready to take a good shot of an unexpected event the 14-42X is on the camera and does an excellent job.

You have a point. I can take my GM1 with the 12-32 without even noticing it.

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The big 12-35 on a GM1? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the GM1?

I would take a GX7 any day if I would like to use a large lens like this one.
To me, the GM1 makes sense with pancakes, like the 14, 20, 12-32 or at most something like the 45 1.8.

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photofan1986 wrote:

The big 12-35 on a GM1? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the GM1?

I would take a GX7 any day if I would like to use a large lens like this one.
To me, the GM1 makes sense with pancakes, like the 14, 20, 12-32 or at most something like the 45 1.8.

I agree. In fact, I have the 12-35 on my GX7.

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Ah ok, sorry

Don't know why I assumed you only had the GM1 as a body.

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Enir4 wrote:

The 12-35 is not only much sharper, it also has more accurate colors and better rendering.

you mean, it has better contrast.

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Enir4 wrote:

The 12-35 is not only much sharper, it also has more accurate colors and better rendering.

you mean, it has better contrast.

As I said, better rendering and resoltution, and more accurate colors. It's non only contrast.

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In reply to Enir4, 9 months ago

if you could post some comparison shots @ 12mm f/3.5

No doubts 12-35 is better, but I wonder how much. An ooc jpegs will do, and a link to RAW files would be awesome

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Jolly Oly wrote:

if you could post some comparison shots @ 12mm f/3.5

No doubts 12-35 is better, but I wonder how much. An ooc jpegs will do, and a link to RAW files would be awesome

I don't have an FTP site to place raw files. I guess the best I can do is posting here some comparison photos, JPEG's out of camera, maybe crops at 100%, so files are not too big. I will do it tomorrow if it's sunny, otherwise I'll wait because light changes influence too much.

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Robert Deutsch wrote:

I used to like the 12-32, and now I could trash it. It's always the same story, the newer and greater shows the shortcomings of the older stuff. So much for walking around with my GM1 and kit 12-32. Oh well.

Enrique

Mmmi...Could you elaborate? Maybe share some comparison samples? The 12-35 has the extra speed, of course, with the attendant ability to keep up the ISO in low light, and the ability to have shallower DOF, but in other respects, in good light,I expect the IQs to be comparable.
Bob

And I think you were right and I was wrong. This morning I put the GX7 on tripod, no IS, 2 seconds delay, both lenses at 24mm and f/4.0. Light conditions were not ideal, with low clouds passing rapidly and changing light. Still I think I can say that differences in the center are minimal, a bit bigger in the edges. This afternoon sky was finally clear, but I was out and it was very windy, so I didn't dare to change lenses. I used the 12-32 on the GM1 and the 12-35 on the GX7, both at 24mm and f/4.0. So we are comparing both, cameras and lenses, sorry about that. Even with too many variables, I think it is clear that differences between these two lenses are not at all as big as I thought.

Enrique

12-32 on GM1, 100% center crop, JPEG OOC

12-35 on GX7, 100% center crop, JPEG OOC

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Enir4 wrote:

Robert Deutsch wrote:

I used to like the 12-32, and now I could trash it. It's always the same story, the newer and greater shows the shortcomings of the older stuff. So much for walking around with my GM1 and kit 12-32. Oh well.

Enrique

Mmmi...Could you elaborate? Maybe share some comparison samples? The 12-35 has the extra speed, of course, with the attendant ability to keep up the ISO in low light, and the ability to have shallower DOF, but in other respects, in good light,I expect the IQs to be comparable.
Bob

And I think you were right and I was wrong. This morning I put the GX7 on tripod, no IS, 2 seconds delay, both lenses at 24mm and f/4.0. Light conditions were not ideal, with low clouds passing rapidly and changing light. Still I think I can say that differences in the center are minimal, a bit bigger in the edges. This afternoon sky was finally clear, but I was out and it was very windy, so I didn't dare to change lenses. I used the 12-32 on the GM1 and the 12-35 on the GX7, both at 24mm and f/4.0. So we are comparing both, cameras and lenses, sorry about that. Even with too many variables, I think it is clear that differences between these two lenses are not at all as big as I thought.

Enrique

12-32 on GM1, 100% center crop, JPEG OOC

12-35 on GX7, 100% center crop, JPEG OOC

Hard to say at that angle

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They look very close--close enough that I could make either one look better than the other by minute adjustments of post-processing parameters (like the Clarity slider if opening the file in Camera Raw in Photoshop CS6).

The GM1/12-32 is about $800, whereas the 12-35 is $1200 by itself, so the 12-32 can be considered a bargain--and much easier to carry.  Still,  if you need f/2.8, there's no substitute for it.  (Well, the Olympus 12-40, but those two are close enough that the Panasonic's IS makes it preferable for those using Panasonic bodies.)

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Enir4 wrote:

Robert Deutsch wrote:

(...) but in other respects, in good light,I expect the IQs to be comparable.
Bob

Even with too many variables, I think it is clear that differences between these two lenses are not at all as big as I thought.

Well, this is a real shock to me.

I know the 12-35 is weather sealed and has a 1(+)EV advantage, but everywhere else I can't see anything that justifies it's price.
Amazing performance for a kit lens!!!

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Enir4 wrote:

Robert Deutsch wrote:

I used to like the 12-32, and now I could trash it. It's always the same story, the newer and greater shows the shortcomings of the older stuff. So much for walking around with my GM1 and kit 12-32. Oh well.

Enrique

Mmmi...Could you elaborate? Maybe share some comparison samples? The 12-35 has the extra speed, of course, with the attendant ability to keep up the ISO in low light, and the ability to have shallower DOF, but in other respects, in good light,I expect the IQs to be comparable.
Bob

And I think you were right and I was wrong. This morning I put the GX7 on tripod, no IS, 2 seconds delay, both lenses at 24mm and f/4.0. Light conditions were not ideal, with low clouds passing rapidly and changing light. Still I think I can say that differences in the center are minimal, a bit bigger in the edges. This afternoon sky was finally clear, but I was out and it was very windy, so I didn't dare to change lenses. I used the 12-32 on the GM1 and the 12-35 on the GX7, both at 24mm and f/4.0. So we are comparing both, cameras and lenses, sorry about that. Even with too many variables, I think it is clear that differences between these two lenses are not at all as big as I thought.

Enrique

They appear to have the same color rendition which is great. The thing that gets my attention is the different SP which may show, given the same light and the same frame, the different T stop as the bigger and wider aperture glass lets in more light.

Thanks for the test, I will buy the 12-32 when it becomes easily available

12-32 on GM1, 100% center crop, JPEG OOC

12-35 on GX7, 100% center crop, JPEG OOC

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Two more pictures from this afternoon, GM1 with the 12-32 and GX7 with the 12-35. OOC, no PP at all. Colors are more like the real thing in the photo shot with the 12-35 and GX7.

Enrique

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