Mamyia DM33 80mm LS f/2.8 vs Nikon D800 Otus 55/1.4

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Tavassoli
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Mamyia DM33 80mm LS f/2.8 vs Nikon D800 Otus 55/1.4
Dec 10, 2013

Hi all. I need to step up in quality. For shooting in studio with flash, mostly commercial still life.

Can you guys leed my with pros and cons in the set ups above?

Regards Emil.

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Re: Mamyia DM33 80mm LS f/2.8 vs Nikon D800 Otus 55/1.4
In reply to Tavassoli, Dec 10, 2013

that's not a bad question. The 80 2.8 on the Mamiya (spelling)..is a kit lens. I've seen the results and I reckon there's still a reason for medium or large format. It's called High End.

The 20K you need to spend for that outfit v's 7K with Nikon & Zeiss. I don't have the Owl yet but I will get it on order.

There's a studio I work with which uses that Mamiya and Hassy but I reckon your question is asked a little too soon.

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Here is some eye candy..... !
In reply to Zvonko, Dec 10, 2013

Here is some eye candy..... !

I know from using theses systems that the bigger format is a wee bit better then the D800 E

and it is so with the kit lens on the MF system... but the Otus is very good too !

So.......

You can have an H3 camera for 4000 $ and an 80mm  lens to it for 1000 $     second hand...... others are around 3000 $...

and the D800 E will set you back at least 2000 $ second hand and the Otus you will have to buy new for 3000 $.... so price isnt that much different.....

It boils down to what lens system you want to use.....

Peter

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Make sure to try/test/post process the monster before buying!
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In reply to Raul, Dec 10, 2013

I had a Mamiya with a P30+ and a suite of lenses, the 80mm was the worst among them.  My copy of both the 35 and the 150 were very good.  My 45 was pretty good as well.  The 80mm Macro was razor sharp but manual focus.

With MFDB, you are no longer buying just resolution  ( I did one class with and IQ80, simply AMAZING!) but at the 30 meg level, it's not resolution, but Tonality, and the way that the lenses deal with the transition from OOF areas to in focus areas.  The extra stop in those Tiny Full Frame sensors was really never an issue as the difference between F8 and F5.6 in the studio is not that big.

If you are working with a reputable dealer, do a test shoot!!

The Mamiya is a beast, but the colors/tonality/lenses are exceptional when combined with a P1 back.  Check out getdpi dot com for a good MF forum.

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Re: Mamyia DM33 80mm LS f/2.8 vs Nikon D800 Otus 55/1.4
In reply to Tavassoli, Dec 10, 2013

gah. I meant the Schneider 80mm LS f/2.8. Does the 80 LS on medium format compare to Otus 55 on full frame?

does the older DM33 still have the edge compared to D800?

base ISO of course.

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gah. I meant the Schneider 80mm LS f/2.8. Does the 80 LS on medium format compare to Otus 55 on full frame?

does the older DM33 still have the edge compared to D800?

base ISO of course.

I have a D800 & Mamiya 645AFDII w film back. I've been doing some research on MFDB so I may have a couple of nuggets of info to add.

- The D800 is 14 bit
MFDB is 16 bit. MF will win on colours (by a small
margin)
- The dynamic range at base ISO is probably a wash. The D800 edges it out but the Mamiya has 16bit colour depth... it has more information. And bigger pixels.
- The Schneider LS lenses are extraordinary and I think they can sync at 1/1600 when using the leaf shutter. Where as the D800 is only 1/250. FP is higher yes but with studio strobes you're still limited to 1/250 with the D800.
- The Schneider LS lens is AF. Otus MF.
- f/2.8 on 645 will have similar DOF as a 1.8 FF lens, but it has a different look because although the focal length is effectively the same, 80mm still compresses the scene a bit more. 80 mm on a 645 is similar to 50mm on FF. But because it's 80mm there is that much more telephoto effect even though the subject or scene is framed the same way.

I think the Mamiya/Schneider combo will give you a different and better look than the D800E and Otus.

I vote medium format.

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Re: Make sure to try/test/post process the monster before buying!
In reply to rockygag, Dec 10, 2013

rockygag wrote:

I had a Mamiya with a P30+ and a suite of lenses, the 80mm was the worst among them. My copy of both the 35 and the 150 were very good. My 45 was pretty good as well. The 80mm Macro was razor sharp but manual focus.

With MFDB, you are no longer buying just resolution ( I did one class with and IQ80, simply AMAZING!) but at the 30 meg level, it's not resolution, but Tonality, and the way that the lenses deal with the transition from OOF areas to in focus areas. The extra stop in those Tiny Full Frame sensors was really never an issue as the difference between F8 and F5.6 in the studio is not that big.

If you are working with a reputable dealer, do a test shoot!!

The Mamiya is a beast, but the colors/tonality/lenses are exceptional when combined with a P1 back. Check out getdpi dot com for a good MF forum.

Dave

+1 !   It's not just about resolution.  As tempting as it is to throw a Leaf Aptus II-7 (33MP)  ($8600 new) back on a Mamiya RZ67 ProII kit (65,110,210apo), mount, ..total=$10k.....I'm leaning toward the new Zeiss Otus lenses.

Has Zeiss announced a roadmap for the Otus lenses?  55...85?...35?...24?

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Re: Mamyia DM33 80mm LS f/2.8 vs Nikon D800 Otus 55/1.4
In reply to Tavassoli, Dec 11, 2013

How about dynamic range? I understand that the DM33 has lots of data in the extreme highlights compare to D800s exceptional data in the shadows?

DM33 has an enge in skintones and midtone gradients?

Short question: is it significant?

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In reply to Tavassoli, Dec 11, 2013

I have a DM22 and use a 150mm f2.8D lens on it for headshots.  It's noticeably sharper than the D800E with either an 85mm f1.8G or 105mm macro.  I also love the skintones and gradients of the Dalsa sensor.

Not sure how the Otus will compare to the 80mm, that is supposed to be a spectacular lens.  Def does not fit the traditional meaning of a 'kit' lens.  Even my 80mm D is really fantastic and holds it's own compared to my Nikon glass.

When you can, try to rent the D800E/55 1.4 combo.  I think you'll find that your MF kit will hold it's own or even win out in the end.

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