DSLR without AF

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Curious if this is a thing... Shopping for a new camera and they all have AF mode. Don't need or want. I would like to know if anyone else would buy a DSLR without AF?. Wouldn't it be noticeably less expensive without the electronics and such required? Give me a FF SLR that only shoots static subjects!

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Another addition to the lineup of 'Wouldn't it be cheaper to have a camera without ...

I hope this thread is meant ironically.

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ApertureAcolyte wrote:  Curious if this is a thing... Shopping for a new camera and they all have AF mode. Don't need or want. I would like to know if anyone else would buy a DSLR without AF?. Wouldn't it be noticeably less expensive without the electronics and such required? Give me a FF SLR that only shoots static subjects!

For most DSLRs you can use an M42 screw-fit lens with an adapter and in many cases, that means manual focus only.  Why not use that option?  I only ever use manual everything so whether my camera has AF or Programmes - as long as it has Manual Mode - that's all that matters to me.

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Wouldn't it be noticeably less expensive without the electronics and such required?

Unlikely.  Price is affected more by mass production than the number of parts required.  Hence you can buy a whole car brand new for less then a high end digital back (which also has no AF...in fact, no F at all!

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Mass production is the keyword. Its not economical to produce a new workflow for every possible setup. And I thinks the user base of an MF only camera would be very low. Just add very little more and buy AF camera and that is a huge step. You can ignore AF, if you really not need it. But I think you can just forget the idea of having a top camera from today and MF only.

Off course MF only would mean simpler, lighter and cheaper cameras and lenses -- in theory.
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While this is supposed to be ironic and a reference to the thread about video, the two aren´t really comparable. A genuinely manual DSLR would give a totally different experience that some people might prefer as it offers a different approach to photography. The Leica experience suggests that such a thing would be economically beyond the reach of most.....

I think I´d personally prefer a camera that offered direct access to the key photographic functions and pushed everything else into menus.  I never use video except twice a year maybe, but its there on my camera for when I need it, but invisibly without using up buttons and camera space that are better spent on other things (for me).

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I mnean, how difficult can that be?

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PS: Sprinkle a couple of through the text if you really want to...

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ApertureAcolyte wrote:

Curious if this is a thing... Shopping for a new camera and they all have AF mode. Don't need or want. I would like to know if anyone else would buy a DSLR without AF?. Wouldn't it be noticeably less expensive without the electronics and such required? Give me a FF SLR that only shoots static subjects!

My DSLR bodies have AF capability , but the vast majority of my lenses are SMC-M from my film days .

I never saw the point of AF for still image photography , and never saw any need to upgrade from my two Pentax LX cameras after they started producing AF cameras .

Only when I got my first *istD body did I get my first AF lens ( the kit lens ) ; then I got three more . After a while the novelty wore off , I realised that AF lenses are bigger and heavier than the equivalent MF lenses , so I reverted to using my jewel like SMC Takumar primes . I did subsequently buy an MZ-S film body with AF , only because it turned up in a dealers I use in mint condition and at a very good price ; it too works very nicely with manual lenses , even though it does have fast , reliable and accurate AF .

I don't expect to get a MF body nowadays , but I am happy using my manual focus prime lenses on any new DSLR body .

AF is there for those who like to use it , those who don't , don't have to .

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ApertureAcolyte wrote: Curious if this is a thing... Shopping for a new camera and they all have AF mode. Don't need or want. I would like to know if anyone else would buy a DSLR without AF?. Wouldn't it be noticeably less expensive without the electronics and such required? Give me a FF SLR that only shoots static subjects!

For most DSLRs you can use an M42 screw-fit lens with an adapter and in many cases, that means manual focus only. Why not use that option? I only ever use manual everything so whether my camera has AF or Programmes - as long as it has Manual Mode - that's all that matters to me.

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Why M42 with an adaptor ?

Most makes will have a native lens mount with manual lenses that can be used . I have a sizeable collection of K mount SMC-M lenses that fit straight onto my bodies without messing about with adaptors .

Most other makes will surely have some useable legacy lenses ?

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ApertureAcolyte wrote:

Curious if this is a thing... Shopping for a new camera and they all have AF mode. Don't need or want. I would like to know if anyone else would buy a DSLR without AF?. Wouldn't it be noticeably less expensive without the electronics and such required? Give me a FF SLR that only shoots static subjects!

While I'm fairly sure your post is meant as irony, a DSLR without AF could have a much better viewfinder than current models because you wouldn't be losing light to the AF system. You could have a great viewfinder like an old manual SLR and actually be able to focus manually. So this would be a useful camera to the 7 people who would buy one.

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Custom making a limited production camera for YOUR needs will increase the cost so much no one would buy it - driving to cost up further. Wanna pay $10,000 or more? Why do you think Leica is so expensive?

One product that does everything is cheap, because so many people will buy it. It's about the production quantity, not necessary the features.

Maybe you should team up with the guy who doesn't want video, or the guy who doesn't want AE, or the guy who doesn't want auto-anything.

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Curious if this is a thing... Shopping for a new camera and they all have AF mode. Don't need or want. I would like to know if anyone else would buy a DSLR without AF?. Wouldn't it be noticeably less expensive without the electronics and such required? Give me a FF SLR that only shoots static subjects!

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ApertureAcolyte wrote:

Curious if this is a thing... Shopping for a new camera and they all have AF mode. Don't need or want. I would like to know if anyone else would buy a DSLR without AF?. Wouldn't it be noticeably less expensive without the electronics and such required? Give me a FF SLR that only shoots static subjects!

Try a Leica M. Not a SLR but does have interchangeable lenses. Not, however, 'less expensive'.

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ApertureAcolyte wrote:

Curious if this is a thing... Shopping for a new camera and they all have AF mode. Don't need or want. I would like to know if anyone else would buy a DSLR without AF?. Wouldn't it be noticeably less expensive without the electronics and such required? Give me a FF SLR that only shoots static subjects!

It can be turned off, whether the AF motor is built in to the body or the lenses.  I know of no modern interchangeable-lens system that doesn't offer AF.

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Curious if this is a thing... Shopping for a new camera and they all have AF mode. Don't need or want. I would like to know if anyone else would buy a DSLR without AF?.

Not enough to make it worthwhile. If at all, due to economies of scale.

Wouldn't it be noticeably less expensive without the electronics and such required?

Yup. Probably one of the few features that *would* cause a noticeable difference in per-unit manufacturing costs, unlike the usual software-only culprits (video, scene modes, face detection, etc).

Give me a FF SLR that only shoots static subjects!

Static? you don't know how to use MF properly and are just pulling our leg, do you?

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Why M42 with an adaptor ?

Because they work on all current mounts without image-degrading glass elements.

Most makes will have a native lens mount with manual lenses that can be used .

Well, no, they don't.

I have a sizeable collection of K mount SMC-M lenses that fit straight onto my bodies without messing about with adaptors .

Most other makes will surely have some useable legacy lenses ?

Nope, just Pentax and Nikon. Sony has access to legacy lenses from Minolta as well, but they're all from the AF era -- manual Minolta lenses used a different mount, which not only needs an adapter to fit onto the Alpha line, it even requires a glass element. Same for the Canon FD and Olympus OM mounts and their respective SLR lines. Mirrorless cameras all use newer, unique mounts, so while none requires glass elements for whatever lens you put on it, SLR or rangefinder, you do require an adapter at the very least.

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ApertureAcolyte wrote:

Curious if this is a thing... Shopping for a new camera and they all have AF mode. Don't need or want. I would like to know if anyone else would buy a DSLR without AF?. Wouldn't it be noticeably less expensive without the electronics and such required? Give me a FF SLR that only shoots static subjects!

You won't get a DSLR without AF, if you really want one, your best be it buy a Canon 6D, fit a split image focussing screen and buy some Zeiss or Samyang lenses. Then you'll get the full MF focussing experience. There is an AF module tucked in there, but you won't be using it.

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The mirror in a Sony SLT is easily removed and is only required for the phase detect auto focus. Then set the switch on the camera to manual focus. Some, if not all SLT's have focus peaking and focus magnification features.

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ApertureAcolyte wrote:

Curious if this is a thing... Shopping for a new camera and they all have AF mode. Don't need or want. I would like to know if anyone else would buy a DSLR without AF?. Wouldn't it be noticeably less expensive without the electronics and such required?

Probably not, due to the economy of scale. In Africa, most bicycles are without gears, in order to be cheaper. Yet in Europe the bikes without gears are expensive special products, because few buy them, therefore it is cheaper to include gears as a standard.

Ironically, the riders in Africa, carrying heavy water canisters and riding long distances in hot weather, would need gears far more urgently than many European and Amercian weekend riders, and the sturdy weather- and dirtproof German Rohloff would be the best solution for them, if it were not so damn expensive.

Give me a FF SLR that only shoots static subjects!

So, while this may fnd its users, it would definietly not be cheaper.

I would welcome maunal foccusing aids (split prisms) and depth of field scales on nlenses though....

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Lets the MF-only R8 and R9 shoot digital. A decade out of date by now though.
The advantage isn't cost, it's the brighter finder you get by not having a semi-transparent mirror passing light to the AF system.
But most if not all of the OVF-better-than-EVF applications I can think of are also AF-better-than-MF. Static subjects can be focused WAY more accurately zooming in on an EVF.

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ApertureAcolyte wrote:

Curious if this is a thing... Shopping for a new camera and they all have AF mode. Don't need or want. I would like to know if anyone else would buy a DSLR without AF?. Wouldn't it be noticeably less expensive without the electronics and such required? Give me a FF SLR that only shoots static subjects!

You won't be able to find a consumer model with that feature, if only because auto focus can be much more accurate than manual focus, especially with wide aperture lenses.

However, you might want to contact one of these companies, which make custom cameras according to spec:

http://www.lumenera.com

http://www.pixelink.com

Likely you will spend far more for one of these, but it can be just as you want it.

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