Unknown Mandela

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Unknown Mandela
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The news media say the great statesman died, all admire…

I recall that Mandela was a terrorist, that his organization announced its existence by blowing up 57 bombs in 1961. Money, materials for those bombs were obtained mainly from Maoist China. Nelson Mandela - a communist, a Marxist, a terrorist who in his youth was inspired by Stalin, Mao, Che Guevara. When Mandela was caught, he did not deny the fact that he was a terrorist. He used the process for propaganda, to promote his views, portraying himself as a symbol of justice in the courts of the oppressors. In this sense, Mandela was the last “great terrorist of the 20th century”, who didn't deny his views or his involvement, and didn't claim as muslim terrorists today that the infidels blew themselves up to compromise a peaceful religion of Islam.

Mandela was sentenced to 18 years. It was a little damp cell. But then a wonderful thing has happened. Despite the fact that Mandela has not ceased to be a terrorist, the attitude toward him began to change. On one hand, the Soviet Union and, on the other hand, the Western world demonstrated a definite shift. The communists, the liberal left, and just the useful idiots, started the "Free Mandela" campaign. Prison conditions have improved. By the mid-80s Mandela received a bunch of international awards. In 1985, President Botha offered clemency under one condition: Mandela should condemn the use of violence as a political weapon. Mandela rejected it.

Let’s recall what the apartheid actually was in the 70s. It was a system of self-government for blacks. Generally, there is nothing unusual of shameful here. The Persians conquered Ionia Greek cities and allowed self-government. The Romans conquered Greece and the Greek cities were left with self-government. Even in Holy Roman Empire, there were self-governing Florence, Venice, and Marseille in France. The apartheid system left 30% of the territory under the self-governing communities, called Bantustans. There they could elect anybody, organize anything, decide their education system, attract capital, build anything they wanted. Indian casinos, anyone? The number of doctors per capita in apartheid Bantustans was greater than the number of doctors in the white population. Naturally, they were much worse, but you can’t blame whites for that.

So, what’s so terrible? -- The fact that these lands were conquered? – Well, every territory in the world has been conquered by somebody. The Indians in America cannot on this basis claim Manhattan should belong to them with all its companies and skyscrapers? I can hear somebody is saying: "No, the blacks had a right to what the whites built on that land ..." Well? And the Indians have the right to New York's skyscrapers? Should I mention another place in the world where people, who were, in fact, autochthonous, were disenfranchised? It's called Hong Kong. Can you imagine what would have happened to Hong Kong if the Chinese who came to Hong Kong, rather than to follow the English law, would have fought for the return of their ancestral territory and the right to live according to the laws by which their ancestors lived?

But something insane happened in the world, the belief that the self-governing system of apartheid should have been eliminated. The year 1989, communism is dead, ‘freed’ colonial Africa is drowning in blood, 20 years of massacres in Angola -- consequences of the transfer of power into the hands of uncivilized savages with machine guns. The new President De Klerk released Mandela and announced the end of apartheid. The next act in this drama is almost inevitable – gory fight among blacks for leadership, Sebokeng massacre, Bisho massacre. Then followed terrorist attacks against whites. In 1993, the head of Pan-African Congress Clarence Makwetu openly states: "One farmer - one bullet. We're going to kill all whites -- children, and the elderly. It will be a year of terror." He takes responsibility for already committed murders. Note that the civilized liberal public all over the world sees nothing, hears nothing, and condemns nobody. Providing self-government to blacks in Bantustans was condemned by the UN as a crime against humanity. But “Kill all whites?” - that’s really nothing.

July 25, 1993: terrorist attack, four blacks rammed into the church and shot everyone who was there. Government’s response: "Oh, we are sorry, we are holding a general election." Mandela triumphantly wins. And then a miracle happens. There was a danger that a terrorist, a Marxist, an admirer of Castro and Mao Zedong, who spent 18 years in prison, he would surpass Idi Amin and Patrice Lumumba . And to the great honor of Nelson Mandela that did not happen - he did everything to not let blacks to kill all whites. He created a coalition government with De Klerk as vice-president. Alas, Mandela could not hold back the avalanche of violence, explosive growth of crime, and the resulting flight of 750000 whites, total collapse of education, the swift spread of AIDS, corruption ...

1999: Mandela makes a stunning decision - he leaves the government. This is an incredible act, especially for the leaders of black Africa, who, in general, are always carried feet first, preferably to the sound of artillery fire. He was replaced by a racist Thabo Mbeki, who in the country where 10% of its population infected with HIV, said that AIDS was a fiction created by white racists. Even close associates of Mandela died of AIDS. Peter Mokaba , for example, also claimed that there was no AIDS , and that AIDS medicine was a poison created by whites. This is the same Peter Mokaba, who died of AIDS, the same one who coined the phrase: "Kill the Boer, kill the farmer."

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By the early '90s South Africa was a prosperous and successful country. 40% of African continent production south of Sahara was produced in South Africa. 500000 Brits have moved to South Africa. Under the control of Mandela and his successors South Africa has become worse than many third world countries. During Mandela’s reign, South African average income fell by 40%. Moreover, the most affected were the poorest, those at the bottom 5% experienced 50% drop of income. Today, the real unemployment rate in South Africa is about 40%. Of those who work, a third earns less than $2 a day. By level of education the country ranks 143rd out of 144. The crime rate in South Africa is one of the highest in the world. The homicide rate is now 31 per 100 thousand people (it was twice as many a few years ago). The white farmers are killed 3.5 times more frequently than any other population group. That is, if an ordinary robbery somewhere in Cape Town or Johannesburg ends in murder in 0.5% of cases, the white farmer robbery ends in murder in 50% cases. As a result, the number of white farmers fell 2 times since Mandela was first elected. And because no black farmers have replaced them, the places where the farms were before are now a wasteland and, consequently, the rural unemployment is through the roof.

South Africa has become a country of outright black racism. Except the government sees nothing wrong, neither the world is outraged, despite the facts are well known (Dr. Gregory Stanton of «Genocide Watch»). In fact, the National African Congress proposed to ban any non-profit organization, which aims to help whites.

750000 people left South Africa. The income gap between rich and poor has dramatically increased in comparison to the time of apartheid. Of course, now the richest are the local blacks, close to the ruling elite. That same elite actually doesn’t target only whites, they kill blacks just as easily. In August last year police shot 34 striking miners. They were shot in the back of their heads, and then authorities blamed miners allegedly shooting each other. So, why did the police shoot the miners? Well, who are now the owners of the mines? -- Cyril Ramaphosa, a black multimillionaire, former Secretary General of the African National Congress and the head of the miners' union; James Motlatsi, also a former president of the same union. Notice, that the nationalization in South Africa did not happen. Instead the assets previously owned by 'colonialists' were transferred to the people who were close to the African National Congress, Mandela cronies. Despite the modern day slavery and such treatment of workers, despite the absolute power and impunity, this new black elite cannot even organize the production and export of raw materials, 11% of jobs in South Africa in 1980 were in the mines, and now it’s just 2%. And by 2008 worldwide extraction of raw materials grew by 5%, in South Africa it actually fell by a percentage.

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By the early '90s South Africa was a prosperous and successful country. 40% of African continent production south of Sahara was produced in South Africa. 500000 Brits have moved to South Africa. Under the control of Mandela and his successors South Africa has become worse than many third world countries. During Mandela’s reign, South African average income fell by 40%. Moreover, the most affected were the poorest, those at the bottom 5% experienced 50% drop of income. Today, the real unemployment rate in South Africa is about 40%. Of those who work, a third earns less than $2 a day. By level of education the country ranks 143rd out of 144. The crime rate in South Africa is one of the highest in the world. The homicide rate is now 31 per 100 thousand people (it was twice as many a few years ago). The white farmers are killed 3.5 times more frequently than any other population group. That is, if an ordinary robbery somewhere in Cape Town or Johannesburg ends in murder in 0.5% of cases, the white farmer robbery ends in murder in 50% cases. As a result, the number of white farmers fell 2 times since Mandela was first elected. And because no black farmers have replaced them, the places where the farms were before are now a wasteland and, consequently, the rural unemployment is through the roof.

South Africa has become a country of outright black racism. Except the government sees nothing wrong, neither the world is outraged, despite the facts are well known (Dr. Gregory Stanton of «Genocide Watch»). In fact, the National African Congress proposed to ban any non-profit organization, which aims to help whites.

750000 people left South Africa. The income gap between rich and poor has dramatically increased in comparison to the time of apartheid. Of course, now the richest are the local blacks, close to the ruling elite. That same elite actually doesn’t target only whites, they kill blacks just as easily. In August last year police shot 34 striking miners. They were shot in the back of their heads, and then authorities blamed miners allegedly shooting each other. So, why did the police shoot the miners? Well, who are now the owners of the mines? -- Cyril Ramaphosa, a black multimillionaire, former Secretary General of the African National Congress and the head of the miners' union; James Motlatsi, also a former president of the same union. Notice, that the nationalization in South Africa did not happen. Instead the assets previously owned by 'colonialists' were transferred to the people who were close to the African National Congress, Mandela cronies. Despite the modern day slavery and such treatment of workers, despite the absolute power and impunity, this new black elite cannot even organize the production and export of raw materials, 11% of jobs in South Africa in 1980 were in the mines, and now it’s just 2%. And by 2008 worldwide extraction of raw materials grew by 5%, in South Africa it actually fell by a percentage.

Same as what happened in Rhodesia.  Whites leave, the country goes down the toilet.  The blacks are free, but starving.

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Dr. Gregory Stanton, head of Genocide Watch: “There is thus strong circumstantial evidence of government support for the campaign of forced displacement and atrocities against white farmers and their families,” said Stanton, after a fact-finding mission to South Africa last year. “There is direct evidence of government incitement to genocide.”

In an e-mail to a prominent Afrikaner monitoring the dangers, Stanton emphasized that Genocide Watch had raised the Genocide Stage level for South Africa to Stage 6 based on “evidence that the murders of Afrikaaner farmers and other whites is organized by racist communists determined to drive whites out of South Africa, nationalize farms and mines, and bring on all the horrors of a communist state.”

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In the end history is written by the victors but in this case it doesn't matter.  Apartheid was an obscenity and anything that opposed it was justified no matter how you want to re-write the tone of history.

Shouldn't you return to the seventeenth century?

forpetessake wrote:

The news media say the great statesman died, all admire…

I recall that Mandela was a terrorist, that his organization announced its existence by blowing up 57 bombs in 1961. Money, materials for those bombs were obtained mainly from Maoist China. Nelson Mandela - a communist, a Marxist, a terrorist who in his youth was inspired by Stalin, Mao, Che Guevara. When Mandela was caught, he did not deny the fact that he was a terrorist. He used the process for propaganda, to promote his views, portraying himself as a symbol of justice in the courts of the oppressors. In this sense, Mandela was the last “great terrorist of the 20th century”, who didn't deny his views or his involvement, and didn't claim as muslim terrorists today that the infidels blew themselves up to compromise a peaceful religion of Islam.

Mandela was sentenced to 18 years. It was a little damp cell. But then a wonderful thing has happened. Despite the fact that Mandela has not ceased to be a terrorist, the attitude toward him began to change. On one hand, the Soviet Union and, on the other hand, the Western world demonstrated a definite shift. The communists, the liberal left, and just the useful idiots, started the "Free Mandela" campaign. Prison conditions have improved. By the mid-80s Mandela received a bunch of international awards. In 1985, President Botha offered clemency under one condition: Mandela should condemn the use of violence as a political weapon. Mandela rejected it.

Let’s recall what the apartheid actually was in the 70s. It was a system of self-government for blacks. Generally, there is nothing unusual of shameful here. The Persians conquered Ionia Greek cities and allowed self-government. The Romans conquered Greece and the Greek cities were left with self-government. Even in Holy Roman Empire, there were self-governing Florence, Venice, and Marseille in France. The apartheid system left 30% of the territory under the self-governing communities, called Bantustans. There they could elect anybody, organize anything, decide their education system, attract capital, build anything they wanted. Indian casinos, anyone? The number of doctors per capita in apartheid Bantustans was greater than the number of doctors in the white population. Naturally, they were much worse, but you can’t blame whites for that.

So, what’s so terrible? -- The fact that these lands were conquered? – Well, every territory in the world has been conquered by somebody. The Indians in America cannot on this basis claim Manhattan should belong to them with all its companies and skyscrapers? I can hear somebody is saying: "No, the blacks had a right to what the whites built on that land ..." Well? And the Indians have the right to New York's skyscrapers? Should I mention another place in the world where people, who were, in fact, autochthonous, were disenfranchised? It's called Hong Kong. Can you imagine what would have happened to Hong Kong if the Chinese who came to Hong Kong, rather than to follow the English law, would have fought for the return of their ancestral territory and the right to live according to the laws by which their ancestors lived?

But something insane happened in the world, the belief that the self-governing system of apartheid should have been eliminated. The year 1989, communism is dead, ‘freed’ colonial Africa is drowning in blood, 20 years of massacres in Angola -- consequences of the transfer of power into the hands of uncivilized savages with machine guns. The new President De Klerk released Mandela and announced the end of apartheid. The next act in this drama is almost inevitable – gory fight among blacks for leadership, Sebokeng massacre, Bisho massacre. Then followed terrorist attacks against whites. In 1993, the head of Pan-African Congress Clarence Makwetu openly states: "One farmer - one bullet. We're going to kill all whites -- children, and the elderly. It will be a year of terror." He takes responsibility for already committed murders. Note that the civilized liberal public all over the world sees nothing, hears nothing, and condemns nobody. Providing self-government to blacks in Bantustans was condemned by the UN as a crime against humanity. But “Kill all whites?” - that’s really nothing.

July 25, 1993: terrorist attack, four blacks rammed into the church and shot everyone who was there. Government’s response: "Oh, we are sorry, we are holding a general election." Mandela triumphantly wins. And then a miracle happens. There was a danger that a terrorist, a Marxist, an admirer of Castro and Mao Zedong, who spent 18 years in prison, he would surpass Idi Amin and Patrice Lumumba . And to the great honor of Nelson Mandela that did not happen - he did everything to not let blacks to kill all whites. He created a coalition government with De Klerk as vice-president. Alas, Mandela could not hold back the avalanche of violence, explosive growth of crime, and the resulting flight of 750000 whites, total collapse of education, the swift spread of AIDS, corruption ...

1999: Mandela makes a stunning decision - he leaves the government. This is an incredible act, especially for the leaders of black Africa, who, in general, are always carried feet first, preferably to the sound of artillery fire. He was replaced by a racist Thabo Mbeki, who in the country where 10% of its population infected with HIV, said that AIDS was a fiction created by white racists. Even close associates of Mandela died of AIDS. Peter Mokaba , for example, also claimed that there was no AIDS , and that AIDS medicine was a poison created by whites. This is the same Peter Mokaba, who died of AIDS, the same one who coined the phrase: "Kill the Boer, kill the farmer."

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forpetessake wrote:

The news media say the great statesman died, all admire…

I recall that Mandela was a terrorist, that his organization announced its existence by blowing up 57 bombs in 1961. Money, materials for those bombs were obtained mainly from Maoist China. Nelson Mandela - a communist, a Marxist, a terrorist who in his youth was inspired by Stalin, Mao, Che Guevara. When Mandela was caught, he did not deny the fact that he was a terrorist. He used the process for propaganda, to promote his views, portraying himself as a symbol of justice in the courts of the oppressors. In this sense, Mandela was the last “great terrorist of the 20th century”, who didn't deny his views or his involvement, and didn't claim as muslim terrorists today that the infidels blew themselves up to compromise a peaceful religion of Islam.

Mandela was sentenced to 18 years. It was a little damp cell. But then a wonderful thing has happened. Despite the fact that Mandela has not ceased to be a terrorist, the attitude toward him began to change. On one hand, the Soviet Union and, on the other hand, the Western world demonstrated a definite shift. The communists, the liberal left, and just the useful idiots, started the "Free Mandela" campaign. Prison conditions have improved. By the mid-80s Mandela received a bunch of international awards. In 1985, President Botha offered clemency under one condition: Mandela should condemn the use of violence as a political weapon. Mandela rejected it.

Let’s recall what the apartheid actually was in the 70s. It was a system of self-government for blacks. Generally, there is nothing unusual of shameful here. The Persians conquered Ionia Greek cities and allowed self-government. The Romans conquered Greece and the Greek cities were left with self-government. Even in Holy Roman Empire, there were self-governing Florence, Venice, and Marseille in France. The apartheid system left 30% of the territory under the self-governing communities, called Bantustans. There they could elect anybody, organize anything, decide their education system, attract capital, build anything they wanted. Indian casinos, anyone? The number of doctors per capita in apartheid Bantustans was greater than the number of doctors in the white population. Naturally, they were much worse, but you can’t blame whites for that.

So, what’s so terrible? -- The fact that these lands were conquered? – Well, every territory in the world has been conquered by somebody. The Indians in America cannot on this basis claim Manhattan should belong to them with all its companies and skyscrapers? I can hear somebody is saying: "No, the blacks had a right to what the whites built on that land ..." Well? And the Indians have the right to New York's skyscrapers? Should I mention another place in the world where people, who were, in fact, autochthonous, were disenfranchised? It's called Hong Kong. Can you imagine what would have happened to Hong Kong if the Chinese who came to Hong Kong, rather than to follow the English law, would have fought for the return of their ancestral territory and the right to live according to the laws by which their ancestors lived?

But something insane happened in the world, the belief that the self-governing system of apartheid should have been eliminated. The year 1989, communism is dead, ‘freed’ colonial Africa is drowning in blood, 20 years of massacres in Angola -- consequences of the transfer of power into the hands of uncivilized savages with machine guns. The new President De Klerk released Mandela and announced the end of apartheid. The next act in this drama is almost inevitable – gory fight among blacks for leadership, Sebokeng massacre, Bisho massacre. Then followed terrorist attacks against whites. In 1993, the head of Pan-African Congress Clarence Makwetu openly states: "One farmer - one bullet. We're going to kill all whites -- children, and the elderly. It will be a year of terror." He takes responsibility for already committed murders. Note that the civilized liberal public all over the world sees nothing, hears nothing, and condemns nobody. Providing self-government to blacks in Bantustans was condemned by the UN as a crime against humanity. But “Kill all whites?” - that’s really nothing.

July 25, 1993: terrorist attack, four blacks rammed into the church and shot everyone who was there. Government’s response: "Oh, we are sorry, we are holding a general election." Mandela triumphantly wins. And then a miracle happens. There was a danger that a terrorist, a Marxist, an admirer of Castro and Mao Zedong, who spent 18 years in prison, he would surpass Idi Amin and Patrice Lumumba . And to the great honor of Nelson Mandela that did not happen - he did everything to not let blacks to kill all whites. He created a coalition government with De Klerk as vice-president. Alas, Mandela could not hold back the avalanche of violence, explosive growth of crime, and the resulting flight of 750000 whites, total collapse of education, the swift spread of AIDS, corruption ...

1999: Mandela makes a stunning decision - he leaves the government. This is an incredible act, especially for the leaders of black Africa, who, in general, are always carried feet first, preferably to the sound of artillery fire. He was replaced by a racist Thabo Mbeki, who in the country where 10% of its population infected with HIV, said that AIDS was a fiction created by white racists. Even close associates of Mandela died of AIDS. Peter Mokaba , for example, also claimed that there was no AIDS , and that AIDS medicine was a poison created by whites. This is the same Peter Mokaba, who died of AIDS, the same one who coined the phrase: "Kill the Boer, kill the farmer."

Typical white thinking.

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mamallama wrote:

forpetessake wrote:

The news media say the great statesman died, all admire…

I recall that Mandela was a terrorist, that his organization announced its existence by blowing up 57 bombs in 1961. Money, materials for those bombs were obtained mainly from Maoist China. Nelson Mandela - a communist, a Marxist, a terrorist who in his youth was inspired by Stalin, Mao, Che Guevara. When Mandela was caught, he did not deny the fact that he was a terrorist. He used the process for propaganda, to promote his views, portraying himself as a symbol of justice in the courts of the oppressors. In this sense, Mandela was the last “great terrorist of the 20th century”, who didn't deny his views or his involvement, and didn't claim as muslim terrorists today that the infidels blew themselves up to compromise a peaceful religion of Islam.

Mandela was sentenced to 18 years. It was a little damp cell. But then a wonderful thing has happened. Despite the fact that Mandela has not ceased to be a terrorist, the attitude toward him began to change. On one hand, the Soviet Union and, on the other hand, the Western world demonstrated a definite shift. The communists, the liberal left, and just the useful idiots, started the "Free Mandela" campaign. Prison conditions have improved. By the mid-80s Mandela received a bunch of international awards. In 1985, President Botha offered clemency under one condition: Mandela should condemn the use of violence as a political weapon. Mandela rejected it.

Let’s recall what the apartheid actually was in the 70s. It was a system of self-government for blacks. Generally, there is nothing unusual of shameful here. The Persians conquered Ionia Greek cities and allowed self-government. The Romans conquered Greece and the Greek cities were left with self-government. Even in Holy Roman Empire, there were self-governing Florence, Venice, and Marseille in France. The apartheid system left 30% of the territory under the self-governing communities, called Bantustans. There they could elect anybody, organize anything, decide their education system, attract capital, build anything they wanted. Indian casinos, anyone? The number of doctors per capita in apartheid Bantustans was greater than the number of doctors in the white population. Naturally, they were much worse, but you can’t blame whites for that.

So, what’s so terrible? -- The fact that these lands were conquered? – Well, every territory in the world has been conquered by somebody. The Indians in America cannot on this basis claim Manhattan should belong to them with all its companies and skyscrapers? I can hear somebody is saying: "No, the blacks had a right to what the whites built on that land ..." Well? And the Indians have the right to New York's skyscrapers? Should I mention another place in the world where people, who were, in fact, autochthonous, were disenfranchised? It's called Hong Kong. Can you imagine what would have happened to Hong Kong if the Chinese who came to Hong Kong, rather than to follow the English law, would have fought for the return of their ancestral territory and the right to live according to the laws by which their ancestors lived?

But something insane happened in the world, the belief that the self-governing system of apartheid should have been eliminated. The year 1989, communism is dead, ‘freed’ colonial Africa is drowning in blood, 20 years of massacres in Angola -- consequences of the transfer of power into the hands of uncivilized savages with machine guns. The new President De Klerk released Mandela and announced the end of apartheid. The next act in this drama is almost inevitable – gory fight among blacks for leadership, Sebokeng massacre, Bisho massacre. Then followed terrorist attacks against whites. In 1993, the head of Pan-African Congress Clarence Makwetu openly states: "One farmer - one bullet. We're going to kill all whites -- children, and the elderly. It will be a year of terror." He takes responsibility for already committed murders. Note that the civilized liberal public all over the world sees nothing, hears nothing, and condemns nobody. Providing self-government to blacks in Bantustans was condemned by the UN as a crime against humanity. But “Kill all whites?” - that’s really nothing.

July 25, 1993: terrorist attack, four blacks rammed into the church and shot everyone who was there. Government’s response: "Oh, we are sorry, we are holding a general election." Mandela triumphantly wins. And then a miracle happens. There was a danger that a terrorist, a Marxist, an admirer of Castro and Mao Zedong, who spent 18 years in prison, he would surpass Idi Amin and Patrice Lumumba . And to the great honor of Nelson Mandela that did not happen - he did everything to not let blacks to kill all whites. He created a coalition government with De Klerk as vice-president. Alas, Mandela could not hold back the avalanche of violence, explosive growth of crime, and the resulting flight of 750000 whites, total collapse of education, the swift spread of AIDS, corruption ...

1999: Mandela makes a stunning decision - he leaves the government. This is an incredible act, especially for the leaders of black Africa, who, in general, are always carried feet first, preferably to the sound of artillery fire. He was replaced by a racist Thabo Mbeki, who in the country where 10% of its population infected with HIV, said that AIDS was a fiction created by white racists. Even close associates of Mandela died of AIDS. Peter Mokaba , for example, also claimed that there was no AIDS , and that AIDS medicine was a poison created by whites. This is the same Peter Mokaba, who died of AIDS, the same one who coined the phrase: "Kill the Boer, kill the farmer."

Typical white thinking.

No, that's typical racist thinking.

Those guys really have a hard time nowadays, you know, black president, planetary celebrations of a black man,... tough times for white supremacists.

Those pitiful attempts at getting some attention should put an eternal smile on Mandela's face: it's a sure sign that he won.

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mamallama wrote:

forpetessake wrote:

The news media say the great statesman died, all admire…

I recall that Mandela was a terrorist, that his organization announced its existence by blowing up 57 bombs in 1961. Money, materials for those bombs were obtained mainly from Maoist China. Nelson Mandela - a communist, a Marxist, a terrorist who in his youth was inspired by Stalin, Mao, Che Guevara. When Mandela was caught, he did not deny the fact that he was a terrorist. He used the process for propaganda, to promote his views, portraying himself as a symbol of justice in the courts of the oppressors. In this sense, Mandela was the last “great terrorist of the 20th century”, who didn't deny his views or his involvement, and didn't claim as muslim terrorists today that the infidels blew themselves up to compromise a peaceful religion of Islam.

Mandela was sentenced to 18 years. It was a little damp cell. But then a wonderful thing has happened. Despite the fact that Mandela has not ceased to be a terrorist, the attitude toward him began to change. On one hand, the Soviet Union and, on the other hand, the Western world demonstrated a definite shift. The communists, the liberal left, and just the useful idiots, started the "Free Mandela" campaign. Prison conditions have improved. By the mid-80s Mandela received a bunch of international awards. In 1985, President Botha offered clemency under one condition: Mandela should condemn the use of violence as a political weapon. Mandela rejected it.

Let’s recall what the apartheid actually was in the 70s. It was a system of self-government for blacks. Generally, there is nothing unusual of shameful here. The Persians conquered Ionia Greek cities and allowed self-government. The Romans conquered Greece and the Greek cities were left with self-government. Even in Holy Roman Empire, there were self-governing Florence, Venice, and Marseille in France. The apartheid system left 30% of the territory under the self-governing communities, called Bantustans. There they could elect anybody, organize anything, decide their education system, attract capital, build anything they wanted. Indian casinos, anyone? The number of doctors per capita in apartheid Bantustans was greater than the number of doctors in the white population. Naturally, they were much worse, but you can’t blame whites for that.

So, what’s so terrible? -- The fact that these lands were conquered? – Well, every territory in the world has been conquered by somebody. The Indians in America cannot on this basis claim Manhattan should belong to them with all its companies and skyscrapers? I can hear somebody is saying: "No, the blacks had a right to what the whites built on that land ..." Well? And the Indians have the right to New York's skyscrapers? Should I mention another place in the world where people, who were, in fact, autochthonous, were disenfranchised? It's called Hong Kong. Can you imagine what would have happened to Hong Kong if the Chinese who came to Hong Kong, rather than to follow the English law, would have fought for the return of their ancestral territory and the right to live according to the laws by which their ancestors lived?

But something insane happened in the world, the belief that the self-governing system of apartheid should have been eliminated. The year 1989, communism is dead, ‘freed’ colonial Africa is drowning in blood, 20 years of massacres in Angola -- consequences of the transfer of power into the hands of uncivilized savages with machine guns. The new President De Klerk released Mandela and announced the end of apartheid. The next act in this drama is almost inevitable – gory fight among blacks for leadership, Sebokeng massacre, Bisho massacre. Then followed terrorist attacks against whites. In 1993, the head of Pan-African Congress Clarence Makwetu openly states: "One farmer - one bullet. We're going to kill all whites -- children, and the elderly. It will be a year of terror." He takes responsibility for already committed murders. Note that the civilized liberal public all over the world sees nothing, hears nothing, and condemns nobody. Providing self-government to blacks in Bantustans was condemned by the UN as a crime against humanity. But “Kill all whites?” - that’s really nothing.

July 25, 1993: terrorist attack, four blacks rammed into the church and shot everyone who was there. Government’s response: "Oh, we are sorry, we are holding a general election." Mandela triumphantly wins. And then a miracle happens. There was a danger that a terrorist, a Marxist, an admirer of Castro and Mao Zedong, who spent 18 years in prison, he would surpass Idi Amin and Patrice Lumumba . And to the great honor of Nelson Mandela that did not happen - he did everything to not let blacks to kill all whites. He created a coalition government with De Klerk as vice-president. Alas, Mandela could not hold back the avalanche of violence, explosive growth of crime, and the resulting flight of 750000 whites, total collapse of education, the swift spread of AIDS, corruption ...

1999: Mandela makes a stunning decision - he leaves the government. This is an incredible act, especially for the leaders of black Africa, who, in general, are always carried feet first, preferably to the sound of artillery fire. He was replaced by a racist Thabo Mbeki, who in the country where 10% of its population infected with HIV, said that AIDS was a fiction created by white racists. Even close associates of Mandela died of AIDS. Peter Mokaba , for example, also claimed that there was no AIDS , and that AIDS medicine was a poison created by whites. This is the same Peter Mokaba, who died of AIDS, the same one who coined the phrase: "Kill the Boer, kill the farmer."

Typical white thinking.

No, that's typical racist thinking.

Those guys really have a hard time nowadays, you know, black president, planetary celebrations of a black man,... tough times for white supremacists.

Those pitiful attempts at getting some attention should put an eternal smile on Mandela's face: it's a sure sign that he won.

OK. I'll amend my statement. There are some non-racist whites who think differently. So I will say:

Typical racist thinking + thinking of Nightwings co-worker whose skin is as dark as a piece of coal.

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The news media say the great statesman died, all admire…

I recall that Mandela was a terrorist, that his organization announced its existence by blowing up 57 bombs in 1961. Money, materials for those bombs were obtained mainly from Maoist China. Nelson Mandela - a communist, a Marxist, a terrorist who in his youth was inspired by Stalin, Mao, Che Guevara. When Mandela was caught, he did not deny the fact that he was a terrorist. He used the process for propaganda, to promote his views, portraying himself as a symbol of justice in the courts of the oppressors. In this sense, Mandela was the last “great terrorist of the 20th century”, who didn't deny his views or his involvement, and didn't claim as muslim terrorists today that the infidels blew themselves up to compromise a peaceful religion of Islam.

Mandela was sentenced to 18 years. It was a little damp cell. But then a wonderful thing has happened. Despite the fact that Mandela has not ceased to be a terrorist, the attitude toward him began to change. On one hand, the Soviet Union and, on the other hand, the Western world demonstrated a definite shift. The communists, the liberal left, and just the useful idiots, started the "Free Mandela" campaign. Prison conditions have improved. By the mid-80s Mandela received a bunch of international awards. In 1985, President Botha offered clemency under one condition: Mandela should condemn the use of violence as a political weapon. Mandela rejected it.

Let’s recall what the apartheid actually was in the 70s. It was a system of self-government for blacks. Generally, there is nothing unusual of shameful here.

So you think that basing a political system on the notion of race and skin color is just fine?

The Persians conquered Ionia Greek cities and allowed self-government. The Romans conquered Greece and the Greek cities were left with self-government. Even in Holy Roman Empire, there were self-governing Florence, Venice, and Marseille in France.

Your examples are a bit old don't you think?

Plus they are not basing their political systems on racial appartenance.

The apartheid system left 30% of the territory under the self-governing communities, called Bantustans. There they could elect anybody, organize anything, decide their education system, attract capital, build anything they wanted. Indian casinos, anyone? The number of doctors per capita in apartheid Bantustans was greater than the number of doctors in the white population. Naturally, they were much worse, but you can’t blame whites for that.

No of course. It's only a natural thing isn't it?

So, what’s so terrible? -- The fact that these lands were conquered? – Well, every territory in the world has been conquered by somebody. The Indians in America cannot on this basis claim Manhattan should belong to them with all its companies and skyscrapers? I can hear somebody is saying: "No, the blacks had a right to what the whites built on that land ..."

Who's saying that? Mandela?

All he asked for was equality of rights. Again and again and again.

Well? And the Indians have the right to New York's skyscrapers? Should I mention another place in the world where people, who were, in fact, autochthonous, were disenfranchised? It's called Hong Kong. Can you imagine what would have happened to Hong Kong if the Chinese who came to Hong Kong, rather than to follow the English law, would have fought for the return of their ancestral territory and the right to live according to the laws by which their ancestors lived?

But then again, that was not the problem but thanks for trying to divert attention to something else.

But something insane happened in the world, the belief that the self-governing system of apartheid should have been eliminated. The year 1989, communism is dead, ‘freed’ colonial Africa is drowning in blood, 20 years of massacres in Angola -- consequences of the transfer of power into the hands of uncivilized savages with machine guns.

I did not know that Texans had anything to do with Angola...

The new President De Klerk released Mandela and announced the end of apartheid. The next act in this drama is almost inevitable – gory fight among blacks for leadership, Sebokeng massacre, Bisho massacre. Then followed terrorist attacks against whites. In 1993, the head of Pan-African Congress Clarence Makwetu openly states: "One farmer - one bullet. We're going to kill all whites -- children, and the elderly. It will be a year of terror." He takes responsibility for already committed murders. Note that the civilized liberal public all over the world sees nothing, hears nothing, and condemns nobody. Providing self-government to blacks in Bantustans was condemned by the UN as a crime against humanity. But “Kill all whites?” - that’s really nothing.

July 25, 1993: terrorist attack, four blacks rammed into the church and shot everyone who was there. Government’s response: "Oh, we are sorry, we are holding a general election." Mandela triumphantly wins. And then a miracle happens. There was a danger that a terrorist, a Marxist, an admirer of Castro and Mao Zedong, who spent 18 years in prison, he would surpass Idi Amin and Patrice Lumumba . And to the great honor of Nelson Mandela that did not happen - he did everything to not let blacks to kill all whites. He created a coalition government with De Klerk as vice-president. Alas, Mandela could not hold back the avalanche of violence, explosive growth of crime, and the resulting flight of 750000 whites, total collapse of education, the swift spread of AIDS, corruption ...

1999: Mandela makes a stunning decision - he leaves the government. This is an incredible act, especially for the leaders of black Africa, who, in general, are always carried feet first, preferably to the sound of artillery fire. He was replaced by a racist Thabo Mbeki, who in the country where 10% of its population infected with HIV, said that AIDS was a fiction created by white racists. Even close associates of Mandela died of AIDS. Peter Mokaba , for example, also claimed that there was no AIDS , and that AIDS medicine was a poison created by whites. This is the same Peter Mokaba, who died of AIDS, the same one who coined the phrase: "Kill the Boer, kill the farmer."

How frustrating must it be for you and your likes to see that you're a disapearing breed...

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Your profile does it show where you're from and I take it that you miss your slaves.

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forpetessake wrote:

The news media say the great statesman died, all admire…

I recall that Mandela was a terrorist, that his organization announced its existence by blowing up 57 bombs in 1961.

The Revolutionaries that fought against British rule were also 'terrorists'.  So were the Jews who fought the British in Palestine during their (also successful) attempt to gain political control.

'Terrorist' and 'freedom fighter' are the same thing.

Money, materials for those bombs were obtained mainly from Maoist China.

That seems unlikely, given that the PRC backed the Pan-Africanist Congress after falling out with the USSR. The USSR backed the ANC politically.

Nelson Mandela - a communist, a Marxist, a terrorist who in his youth was inspired by Stalin, Mao, Che Guevara.

Stalin and Mao seem doubtful inspirations. Mandela was a Christian, however, so he would have been inspired by that other notorious 'terrorist', Jesus.

Let’s recall what the apartheid actually was in the 70s. It was a system of self-government for blacks.

No, it was a system of oppression for non-whites.

The apartheid system left 30% of the territory under the self-governing communities, called Bantustans. There they could elect anybody, organize anything, decide their education system, attract capital, build anything they wanted.

But, by a stroke of misfortune, the Bantustans had no resources.

Indian casinos, anyone?

The treatment of Native Americans in the USA is also shameful.

The number of doctors per capita in apartheid Bantustans was greater than the number of doctors in the white population. Naturally, they were much worse, but you can’t blame whites for that.

Oh, "naturally".

You're quite the racist.

So, what’s so terrible? -- The fact that these lands were conquered? – Well, every territory in the world has been conquered by somebody.

The 'might makes right' doctrine.

But something insane happened in the world, the belief that the self-governing system of apartheid should have been eliminated. The year 1989, communism is dead, ‘freed’ colonial Africa is drowning in blood, 20 years of massacres in Angola -- consequences of the transfer of power into the hands of uncivilized savages with machine guns.

Yeah, it couldn't have been the invasion of Angola by the RSA and the subsequent 'proxy war' that developed between the USA and USSR.

I'll leave the rest of your racist rant uncommented upon.

Thank you for your post.  It is very useful to have the reminder that such disgusting racist scumbags still exist -- most take great pains to hide this today.

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In an e-mail to a prominent Afrikaner monitoring the dangers, Stanton emphasized that Genocide Watch had raised the Genocide Stage level for South Africa to Stage 6

Since Stanton has put Iran's plans for genocide against Israel at Stage 8 you might want to calm down.

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In reply to boggis the cat, 7 months ago

... "appears" is superfluous.

Where do these people come from?  "Apartheid was a system of self-government for Black people"?  The South African government officially abandoned this pretense in 1985.  But not our boy.

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