Seattle crime rate up due to pot?

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Seattle crime rate up due to pot?

Seattle crime rate up possibly due to pot.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/09/seattle-facing-rift-between-police-and-politicans-over-ump-in-crime-open-pot/

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mas cervezas Senior Member • Posts: 2,035
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Bill Randall wrote:

Seattle crime rate up possibly due to pot.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/09/seattle-facing-rift-between-police-and-politicans-over-ump-in-crime-open-pot/

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I like the evidence they bring to the article...absolutely zero.   Not even a good anecdote, just a hint that the police just might not feel like doing their jobs anymore.

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Re: Seattle crime rate up due to pot?

mas cervezas wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

Seattle crime rate up possibly due to pot.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/09/seattle-facing-rift-between-police-and-politicans-over-ump-in-crime-open-pot/

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I like the evidence they bring to the article...absolutely zero. Not even a good anecdote, just a hint that the police just might not feel like doing their jobs anymore.

What do you expect from Fox News?? Real reporting or just sensational anti-liberal headlines?

Bill Randall
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mamallama wrote:

mas cervezas wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

Seattle crime rate up possibly due to pot.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/09/seattle-facing-rift-between-police-and-politicans-over-ump-in-crime-open-pot/

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I live in the USA, a mega banana republic.

I like the evidence they bring to the article...absolutely zero. Not even a good anecdote, just a hint that the police just might not feel like doing their jobs anymore.

What do you expect from Fox News?? Real reporting or just sensational anti-liberal headlines?

What evidence do you have that the article is not true? Please share it with us because if it is not true we need to stop this story now. Thanks.

Please note, the following link would seem to confirm the story:

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/northwestvoices/2013/08/18/crime-in-downtown-seattle-2/

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That's right Mama!

Fox News has won the right to lie in court.  So, unless you can prove that this is not a lie .... you loose

Bill Randall wrote:

mamallama wrote:

mas cervezas wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

Seattle crime rate up possibly due to pot.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/09/seattle-facing-rift-between-police-and-politicans-over-ump-in-crime-open-pot/

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I live in the USA, a mega banana republic.

I like the evidence they bring to the article...absolutely zero. Not even a good anecdote, just a hint that the police just might not feel like doing their jobs anymore.

What do you expect from Fox News?? Real reporting or just sensational anti-liberal headlines?

What evidence do you have that the article is not true? Please share it with us because if it is not true we need to stop this story now. Thanks.

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mamallama
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Re: Seattle crime rate up due to pot?
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Bill Randall wrote:

mamallama wrote:

mas cervezas wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

Seattle crime rate up possibly due to pot.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/09/seattle-facing-rift-between-police-and-politicans-over-ump-in-crime-open-pot/

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I live in the USA, a mega banana republic.

I like the evidence they bring to the article...absolutely zero. Not even a good anecdote, just a hint that the police just might not feel like doing their jobs anymore.

What do you expect from Fox News?? Real reporting or just sensational anti-liberal headlines?

What evidence do you have that the article is not true?

Oh, it's true, but deceptive. The article just gives the impression that the facts in the article support the headlines. It doesn't.

A common ploy to deceive with no facts.

Bill Randall
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Re: Seattle crime rate up due to pot?
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mamallama wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

mamallama wrote:

mas cervezas wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

Seattle crime rate up possibly due to pot.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/09/seattle-facing-rift-between-police-and-politicans-over-ump-in-crime-open-pot/

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I live in the USA, a mega banana republic.

I like the evidence they bring to the article...absolutely zero. Not even a good anecdote, just a hint that the police just might not feel like doing their jobs anymore.

What do you expect from Fox News?? Real reporting or just sensational anti-liberal headlines?

What evidence do you have that the article is not true?

Oh, it's true, but deceptive. See the little question mark in the headlines. It's obscure so the article goes on to give the impression that the facts in the article support the headlines. It doesn't.

A common ploy to deceive with no facts. You haven't been around much, I see.

The Seattle newspaper seems to indicate the problem is real. If you have better facts please show us.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/09/seattle-facing-rift-between-police-and-politicans-over-ump-in-crime-open-pot/

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Bill Robb Senior Member • Posts: 3,332
Re: Seattle crime rate up due to pot?
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Bill Randall wrote:

mamallama wrote:

mas cervezas wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

Seattle crime rate up possibly due to pot.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/09/seattle-facing-rift-between-police-and-politicans-over-ump-in-crime-open-pot/

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I live in the USA, a mega banana republic.

I like the evidence they bring to the article...absolutely zero. Not even a good anecdote, just a hint that the police just might not feel like doing their jobs anymore.

What do you expect from Fox News?? Real reporting or just sensational anti-liberal headlines?

What evidence do you have that the article is not true? Please share it with us because if it is not true we need to stop this story now. Thanks.

Well, to start with, according to city of Seattle, crime rates in Seattle haven't jumped (they have gone up slightly in some areas, down in others)

http://www.seattle.gov/spd/Crime/STATS.HTM

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Re: Seattle crime rate up due to pot?
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Bill Robb wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

mamallama wrote:

mas cervezas wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

Seattle crime rate up possibly due to pot.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/09/seattle-facing-rift-between-police-and-politicans-over-ump-in-crime-open-pot/

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I live in the USA, a mega banana republic.

I like the evidence they bring to the article...absolutely zero. Not even a good anecdote, just a hint that the police just might not feel like doing their jobs anymore.

What do you expect from Fox News?? Real reporting or just sensational anti-liberal headlines?

What evidence do you have that the article is not true? Please share it with us because if it is not true we need to stop this story now. Thanks.

Well, to start with, according to city of Seattle, crime rates in Seattle haven't jumped (they have gone up slightly in some areas, down in others)

http://www.seattle.gov/spd/Crime/STATS.HTM

Good point although there are large jumps and small jumps. Nevertheless, the word jump would not have been my choice.

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Walking Dead Senior Member • Posts: 6,130
You sure it's not due to the end of the state liquor stores?

Just prior to the legalization of recreational marijuana, Washington state did away with state run liquor stores. This allowed hard liquor to be sold in more places.

Since your article didn't cite any evidence. I'd say that my POV has as much weight as the FOX News piece.

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Bill Robb Senior Member • Posts: 3,332
Re: Seattle crime rate up due to pot?
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Bill Randall wrote:

Bill Robb wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

mamallama wrote:

mas cervezas wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

Seattle crime rate up possibly due to pot.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/09/seattle-facing-rift-between-police-and-politicans-over-ump-in-crime-open-pot/

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I live in the USA, a mega banana republic.

I like the evidence they bring to the article...absolutely zero. Not even a good anecdote, just a hint that the police just might not feel like doing their jobs anymore.

What do you expect from Fox News?? Real reporting or just sensational anti-liberal headlines?

What evidence do you have that the article is not true? Please share it with us because if it is not true we need to stop this story now. Thanks.

Well, to start with, according to city of Seattle, crime rates in Seattle haven't jumped (they have gone up slightly in some areas, down in others)

http://www.seattle.gov/spd/Crime/STATS.HTM

Good point although there are large jumps and small jumps. Nevertheless, the word jump would not have been my choice.

According to the article you posted in your original post, the word jumped was your first choice:

"Meantime, violent crime in the downtown business district jumped"

You posted it, now you own it, lies, falsehoods, bad reporting and all.

boggis the cat Veteran Member • Posts: 6,323
What type of crime?

Walking Dead wrote:

Just prior to the legalization of recreational marijuana, Washington state did away with state run liquor stores. This allowed hard liquor to be sold in more places.

Since your article didn't cite any evidence. I'd say that my POV has as much weight as the FOX News piece.

Is it more expensive to buy hard liquor or pot?  Assuming that the crime is to obtain money, then that would supply your answer.

Of course, if this is violent crime -- we all know it's the liquor.

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Re: What type of crime?

boggis the cat wrote:

Walking Dead wrote:

Just prior to the legalization of recreational marijuana, Washington state did away with state run liquor stores. This allowed hard liquor to be sold in more places.

Since your article didn't cite any evidence. I'd say that my POV has as much weight as the FOX News piece.

Is it more expensive to buy hard liquor or pot? Assuming that the crime is to obtain money, then that would supply your answer.

Of course, if this is violent crime -- we all know it's the liquor.

Every pot smoker that I know, is pretty mellow. Never seen any get aggressive.

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They refuse to stand up to the bad guys
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Same as San Francisco. If you don't recognize that some of the "homeless" are jerks and scammers you're going to be swamped with them pretty quick.

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Re: What type of crime?

Walking Dead wrote:

boggis the cat wrote:

Walking Dead wrote:

Just prior to the legalization of recreational marijuana, Washington state did away with state run liquor stores. This allowed hard liquor to be sold in more places.

Since your article didn't cite any evidence. I'd say that my POV has as much weight as the FOX News piece.

Is it more expensive to buy hard liquor or pot? Assuming that the crime is to obtain money, then that would supply your answer.

Of course, if this is violent crime -- we all know it's the liquor.

Every pot smoker that I know, is pretty mellow. Never seen any get aggressive.

I've never seen anyone jones for pot bad enough to commit a major crime, either.  It's not like meth or heroin where you MUST get your next high no matter the cost.   It's more like, "Oh man, today is going to be lame."

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boggis the cat Veteran Member • Posts: 6,323
Re: What type of crime?

tkbslc wrote:

Walking Dead wrote:

boggis the cat wrote:

Walking Dead wrote:

Just prior to the legalization of recreational marijuana, Washington state did away with state run liquor stores. This allowed hard liquor to be sold in more places.

Since your article didn't cite any evidence. I'd say that my POV has as much weight as the FOX News piece.

Is it more expensive to buy hard liquor or pot? Assuming that the crime is to obtain money, then that would supply your answer.

Of course, if this is violent crime -- we all know it's the liquor.

Every pot smoker that I know, is pretty mellow. Never seen any get aggressive.

I've never seen anyone jones for pot bad enough to commit a major crime, either. It's not like meth or heroin where you MUST get your next high no matter the cost. It's more like, "Oh man, today is going to be lame."

Alcoholism may deliver the worst of both addiction and violent behaviour.  If the "War on Drugs" was a serious proposition they would have brought back prohibition -- and look how well that turned out.

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mas cervezas Senior Member • Posts: 2,035
Re: Seattle crime rate up due to pot?

Bill Randall wrote:

mamallama wrote:

mas cervezas wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

Seattle crime rate up possibly due to pot.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/09/seattle-facing-rift-between-police-and-politicans-over-ump-in-crime-open-pot/

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I live in the USA, a mega banana republic.

I like the evidence they bring to the article...absolutely zero. Not even a good anecdote, just a hint that the police just might not feel like doing their jobs anymore.

What do you expect from Fox News?? Real reporting or just sensational anti-liberal headlines?

What evidence do you have that the article is not true? Please share it with us because if it is not true we need to stop this story now. Thanks.

Please note, the following link would seem to confirm the story:

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/northwestvoices/2013/08/18/crime-in-downtown-seattle-2/

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A letter to the editor is your proof of cause and effect?  At least it's slightly more evidence than the Fox News story.

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Bill Robb wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

Bill Robb wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

mamallama wrote:

mas cervezas wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

Seattle crime rate up possibly due to pot.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/09/seattle-facing-rift-between-police-and-politicans-over-ump-in-crime-open-pot/

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I live in the USA, a mega banana republic.

I like the evidence they bring to the article...absolutely zero. Not even a good anecdote, just a hint that the police just might not feel like doing their jobs anymore.

What do you expect from Fox News?? Real reporting or just sensational anti-liberal headlines?

What evidence do you have that the article is not true? Please share it with us because if it is not true we need to stop this story now. Thanks.

Well, to start with, according to city of Seattle, crime rates in Seattle haven't jumped (they have gone up slightly in some areas, down in others)

http://www.seattle.gov/spd/Crime/STATS.HTM

Good point although there are large jumps and small jumps. Nevertheless, the word jump would not have been my choice.

According to the article you posted in your original post, the word jumped was your first choice:

"Meantime, violent crime in the downtown business district jumped"

You posted it, now you own it, lies, falsehoods, bad reporting and all.

You seem to have a problem when people agreeing with you. Did you not notice the lack of comment from me in my original post. I was reporting, not analyzing. I used the reports words. You posted a response which I agreed with, and now you have to smart mouth me. I guess that is the best you can do.

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Re: Seattle crime rate up due to pot?
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mas cervezas wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

mamallama wrote:

mas cervezas wrote:

Bill Randall wrote:

Seattle crime rate up possibly due to pot.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/09/seattle-facing-rift-between-police-and-politicans-over-ump-in-crime-open-pot/

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I live in the USA, a mega banana republic.

I like the evidence they bring to the article...absolutely zero. Not even a good anecdote, just a hint that the police just might not feel like doing their jobs anymore.

What do you expect from Fox News?? Real reporting or just sensational anti-liberal headlines?

What evidence do you have that the article is not true? Please share it with us because if it is not true we need to stop this story now. Thanks.

Please note, the following link would seem to confirm the story:

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/northwestvoices/2013/08/18/crime-in-downtown-seattle-2/

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I live in the USA, a mega banana republic.

A letter to the editor is your proof of cause and effect? At least it's slightly more evidence than the Fox News story.

If you have more information please provide it.

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kixigvaq wrote:

Same as San Francisco. If you don't recognize that some of the "homeless" are jerks and scammers you're going to be swamped with them pretty quick.

Now you are talking reality, which doesn't sound as good as non-reality talk.

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