Best for Monitor Calibration AND icc Profile Creation?

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Havanai
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Best for Monitor Calibration AND icc Profile Creation?
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These questions have been on my mind for some time, but I am about to buy a new printer and now they are more urgent. Over the years, I have had two outside services create icc printer profiles for my printer and the papers I use. But they are both out of business now. In my experience, the profiles I have had custom made have yielded better results than the profiles provided by the paper manufacturers. So, I now would like to buy one of the calibrating packages that will calibrate my monitor AND enable me to create icc profiles for my printer/paper combinations.

Are there any strong reasons to select one calibration package over another? Spyder, ColorMunki, i1…what else is there? I am using an HP ZR22w monitor. My workroom has a lot of windows and, even with adjustable blinds, the light is variable during the day. It's very different in here when days are cloudy or bright. And sometimes I work at night too. If one device has a meaningful and reliable response mechanism to changing light conditions, that might be valuable to me. I am likely upgrade from an Epson 1400 to the 3880. I’ve been using HahneMuhle Bamboo and Inkpress Luster papers. I’d like to try some others, maybe from Red River or Canson, or some of the Epson papers.

Can anyone recommend, for my consideration, one of the packages that calibrates monitors and makes icc profiles for printers with various papers? Thanks for any input.

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Havanai wrote:

These questions have been on my mind for some time, but I am about to buy a new printer and now they are more urgent. Over the years, I have had two outside services create icc printer profiles for my printer and the papers I use. But they are both out of business now. In my experience, the profiles I have had custom made have yielded better results than the profiles provided by the paper manufacturers. So, I now would like to buy one of the calibrating packages that will calibrate my monitor AND enable me to create icc profiles for my printer/paper combinations.

Are there any strong reasons to select one calibration package over another? Spyder, ColorMunki, i1…what else is there? I am using an HP ZR22w monitor. My workroom has a lot of windows and, even with adjustable blinds, the light is variable during the day. It's very different in here when days are cloudy or bright. And sometimes I work at night too. If one device has a meaningful and reliable response mechanism to changing light conditions, that might be valuable to me. I am likely upgrade from an Epson 1400 to the 3880. I’ve been using HahneMuhle Bamboo and Inkpress Luster papers. I’d like to try some others, maybe from Red River or Canson, or some of the Epson papers.

Can anyone recommend, for my consideration, one of the packages that calibrates monitors and makes icc profiles for printers with various papers? Thanks for any input.

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KK

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In reply to Havanai, 8 months ago

I can't speak for the CM, but I have the Datacolor Spyder Studio kit and it comes with their monitor profiler and their SpyderPrint profiler - its served me well for creating ICC profiles for my printers as well as calibrating my monitor.  It also comes with a Spyder Cube to help with camera exposure and color balance in the field.

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In reply to FJJ, 8 months ago

if you want to provide ICC services in printer profiles i would go for an X-Rite i1Pro 2 plus i1IO automatic scanning table so you can relax and lay back when scanning printer profiles

the i1IO automatic table cost about 2000 USD

and the X-Rite i1Photo Pro 2 for about 1300 usd....

if you just need a spectrophotometer for calibration Your gadets i would go for the colomunki and use it with argyllcms. bought mine 6 month ago and already did so many profiles for customers with it that it paid itself like three times

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In reply to Havanai, 8 months ago

I have the ColorMunki Photo as well and it does a great job.  No more prints not matching the screen color and exposure.

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In reply to Havanai, 8 months ago

To add a few points:

Paper manufacture and reformator’s profiles have generally improved over the last few years. Almost all of the canned profiles for the 3880 that I have come across have been very good.

If you are using only a half dozen or so papers on a couple of printers, then it is still much more economical to outsource profile making. There are still profiling services out there: itSupplies, for example, although I haven’t used them for this service.

One of the reason why there are fewer profiling services available now was the merger of two of the largest hardware manufactures, and the subsequent changes to the resulting software licenses, which prohibit the sale of profiles without further license fees.

There are certainly systems out there that adjust to ambient lighting conditions, but I have never found them to be very accurate. You can always make two or three monitor profiles, and manually switch from one to another when lighting conditions change. NEC monitors, with their included X-rite colorimeter and SpectraView software, allow profile switching with the click of a button.

Colorimeters, used in the less expensive display-only calibration systems, ColorMunki Display for example, give slightly better monitor calibration than the more expensive spectrophotometers. But spectrophotometers can be used for both monitors and printers, colorimeters can’t.

There have been problems in the past with magenta colorcasts from DataColor generated paper profiles – I presume they solved that at some point. X-rite makes both the ColorMunki and i1 devices and software. For the most part the devices differ little, but the i1 software is better than the ColorMunki software.

The i1 Photo Pro2, offers built in UV and UV cut, for better profiling of papers with moderate to high OBA content. The software creates a larger number of patches, which allows faster production of profiles. With the ColorMunki’s iterative approach, you produce one set of patches, let them dry, scan them, produce another set of patch, let them dry, and then scan them; that could be 48 hours. The i1 Photo Pro2 is about three times the price of the ColorMunki Photo.

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