Choices, choices - A57 or A77

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nandbytes
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Choices, choices - A57 or A77
8 months ago

So I have got a good offer for a A77 with a part exchange for my A57. Basically I can upgrade to a77 for £300.

Anyways, I like my a57 and one of the main selling point for me was the low light performance of the a57. I am not sure how the a77 compares to a57 in terms of this.

24mp isnt a huge deal for me.

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In reply to nandbytes, 8 months ago

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Kinda timely as I swapped my a57 plus cash for a77 on Saturday? Haven't had a lot of time to play with it but I can just tell it was the right move? EVF is great ('cept for real low light), feels great and solid, focusing seems quicker, etc. As for the noise issue....I don't shoot much over 1600 and rarely print larger than 8x10 so not an issue here. I am very confident that you will really like the upgrade. Some say it is way bigger and heavier...well it is not a pocket camera for sure but neither is the a57. I don't notice that much difference really. If anything the extra size makes it a little easier and more comfortable to handle.

I say get it!

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nandbytes wrote:

So I have got a good offer for a A77 with a part exchange for my A57. Basically I can upgrade to a77 for £300.

Anyways, I like my a57 and one of the main selling point for me was the low light performance of the a57. I am not sure how the a77 compares to a57 in terms of this.

24mp isnt a huge deal for me.

Depends on what you are looking for in the A77; The A77 has the following advantages over the A57:

+ Weathersealed partly magnesium alloy body construction

+ Better grip (personal opinion) and ergonomics

+ Dual dial control

+ Top LCD

+ AF mode control dial

+ AF/MF control (only useful with screw driven and SSM lenses)

+ MR Memory Recall

+ Better button customization options

+ AF assist light

+ Better AF system: 19 points 11 cross type (vs A57 15 points 3 cross type)

+ Better articulating LCD

+ Higher quality and resolution OLED EVF (vs A57 LCD EVF)

+ GPS

+ Higher resolution (24 vs 16 MP)

+ 12 frames per second (vs 10 fps for A57 which is almost the same)

Image quality is very similar. Low light performance is also very similar. I would only get the A77 over the A57 if you really want the better body and features AND you have those 300 pounds just laying around. I would not base this on minute image quality differences.

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In reply to TAGRIFFIN, 8 months ago

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Kinda timely as I swapped my a57 plus cash for a77 on Saturday? Haven't had a lot of time to play with it but I can just tell it was the right move? EVF is great ('cept for real low light), feels great and solid, focusing seems quicker, etc. As for the noise issue....I don't shoot much over 1600 and rarely print larger than 8x10 so not an issue here. I am very confident that you will really like the upgrade. Some say it is way bigger and heavier...well it is not a pocket camera for sure but neither is the a57. I don't notice that much difference really. If anything the extra size makes it a little easier and more comfortable to handle.

I say get it!

Tim

Yes I did notice. I have tried it in a shop. It almost the same size as a57.

I shoot a fair amount in low light hence my choice of the two latest lenses I bought last week. Tokina 11-16 2.8 and 35mm 1.8. Both fast and gives me good results.

So I wouldn't want to sacrifice too much on low light performance. With my current set up it isn't a problem.

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In reply to Seeky, 8 months ago

I don't have £300 lying around but its something I can afford. Plus I got my A57 so cheap and I am getting this A77 so cheap that I am losing not much more than £50 which not a loss considering I have used my A57 well in past few months.

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A77 is an amazing camera

You should look at the studio comparison Tool here on DPR

RAW up to 3200 they look pretty close to me (one has to remember the visual effects of scaling higher res to 1:1)  Higher resolution creates just a bit of natural HR as we scale to normal use.

JPG they look the same up to 6400 to me.

There are some nuances in each in who the JPG engine in each rendered high ISO.

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The A77 is all about performance and resolution at low ISO. Until ISO800 it performs really well. But the A57 has the advantage at higher ISO. Although DxOMark says otherwise.

There are some features I really like about the A77. The AF/MF button for quickly focussing when I am in MF ( for macro as an example). The 1/3stops increments. The focus magnifier 5.9x/11.7x button for observing birds at a long distance. More bracketing options for hdr. 12fps which I use a lot now, you can't choose aperture in AFC but my Tamron 200-500 is already sharp wide open at F6.3 so I don't care. Buffer clearing time is faster (with UHS-1 95MB/s sd card) especially in raw or raw+jpeg, although you get less shots before the buffer fills (bigger files for the A77).

If you want these extra's then go for it. Otherwise the A57 is pretty capable.

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how good is weather sealing?
In reply to nandbytes, 8 months ago

This is really attractive for me, but how far will this get me? Light showers? Light snow? Blizzards? Lol.

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nandbytes wrote:

This is really attractive for me, but how far will this get me? Light showers? Light snow? Blizzards? Lol.

Lol after lol!! The weather sealing is only to avoid Rain and accidental fall in water. I think weather sealing is not good enough for under-water sea shooting. Liquipel do protect many electronic devices like phones/tables with their special coating and are far better than earlier sealing provided by the company. You need to talk to them regarding DSLR coatings!

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In reply to Vikas Rana, 8 months ago

Thats good enough tbh. I am not planning on shooting in a blizzard or underwater but it will inevitably snow or rain here. Its nice to not have to worry too much about a little water here and there.

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nandbytes wrote:

Thats good enough tbh. I am not planning on shooting in a blizzard or underwater but it will inevitably snow or rain here. Its nice to not have to worry too much about a little water here and there.

The camera will be fine in more than a little rain and snow, but your lenses may not be. I have shot with the 16-105 in light rain with no issues, but it is not weather sealed. The 16-50 f/2.8 is considered weather resistant and I think most of the recent Sony re-issued lenses are as well, like the 500mm f/4, but not the older ones.

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Yeah I will eventually get the 16-50. The current offer is a bit stupid. I can upgrade to a77 for £300 or upgrade to a77+kit for £800. But new 16-50mm on its own is £400!

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You might consider keeping the A57 and buying the A77. I have an A65 and A77. It is very handy to have 2 cameras with different lenses. For instance in my case the A77 with Tamron 70-300 and the A65 with Sigma 17-70. For a super compact carry everywhere camera I use an RX100.

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danny006 wrote:

The A77 is all about performance and resolution at low ISO. Until ISO800 it performs really well. But the A57 has the advantage at higher ISO. Although DxOMark says otherwise.

That's because the A57 has no advantage at high iso if you view them at the same size.

There are some features I really like about the A77. The AF/MF button for quickly focussing when I am in MF ( for macro as an example). The 1/3stops increments. The focus magnifier 5.9x/11.7x button for observing birds at a long distance. More bracketing options for hdr. 12fps which I use a lot now, you can't choose aperture in AFC but my Tamron 200-500 is already sharp wide open at F6.3 so I don't care. Buffer clearing time is faster (with UHS-1 95MB/s sd card) especially in raw or raw+jpeg, although you get less shots before the buffer fills (bigger files for the A77).

If you want these extra's then go for it. Otherwise the A57 is pretty capable.

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tbcass wrote:

You might consider keeping the A57 and buying the A77. I have an A65 and A77. It is very handy to have 2 cameras with different lenses. For instance in my case the A77 with Tamron 70-300 and the A65 with Sigma 17-70. For a super compact carry everywhere camera I use an RX100.

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I would honestly love to do that, which is I am having such a difficult time letting camera go. Its absolutely brilliant. But I am already stretching it just for the upgrade, I will not be able to afford it.

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In reply to nandbytes, 8 months ago

My time there tells me to stay with my @57 until the @79 breaks cover.
The @77 deals are great, with many reasons to change
(until you shift the ISO above 200).
The @77 looks a much better drive than the @57,
especially the EVF and general ergonomics;
but to buy a body with marginal I.Q. improvement makes little financial sense.
Whichever, NO WAY would I relinquish the @57 till I had a few weeks with the @77.

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Noise, ISO 1600 limit in video -> A57 is better (for me)
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I "downgraded" from an A65 to an A57, which to me really was an upgrade, because it's much better noise (and yes, that includes noise per area), and it does video at ISO 3200.

I recently was tempted to jump on $750 deals (in Canada) for a new A77 that includes 2 years warranty. I had to remind myself how bad the noise is on the A77 (aka A65). Various forum messages that weren't about people's own A77 confirmation bias, reaffirmed my disappointment.

I passed up on this deal. Too much noise too low in the ISO (200+ already, like w t h !), and video stops at ISO 1600 making it impossible to use indoors for me.

So frustrating. It's otherwise *such* an awesome camera...

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123Mike wrote:

I "downgraded" from an A65 to an A57, which to me really was an upgrade, because it's much better noise (and yes, that includes noise per area), and it does video at ISO 3200.

I recently was tempted to jump on $750 deals (in Canada) for a new A77 that includes 2 years warranty. I had to remind myself how bad the noise is on the A77 (aka A65). Various forum messages that weren't about people's own A77 confirmation bias, reaffirmed my disappointment.

I passed up on this deal. Too much noise too low in the ISO (200+ already, like w t h !), and video stops at ISO 1600 making it impossible to use indoors for me.

So frustrating. It's otherwise *such* an awesome camera...

hmmm interesting you say this (i.e. exact opposite) because the earlier posts and other threads seem to suggest that the difference in IQ is minute. This is the very reason I am torn between the two!

also tbcass mentioned - "That's because the A57 has no advantage at high iso if you view them at the same size" not sure I follow this to be honest.

Looks like I am still stuck.

My question is simple, I am shooting at night time, say a nice aurora borealis (bit ambitions :P), indoor of a cathedral and a city scape of shanghai. which camera will give the best result and why? Also what is the difference in quality?

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Re: Noise, ISO 1600 limit in video -> A57 is better (for me)
In reply to 123Mike, 8 months ago

I agree 100% with 123Mike...I bought an A77 twice.  First a year ago when I bought the A57 to test both to see which I liked better.  I sent the A77 back based completely on image quality.  The second time was last week when I thought I'd try again since it's such a great deal now and in the hopes that maybe I got a bad sample the first time.  I really love the features and feel of the A77 but the images at ALL ISOs look better to me on the A57.  RAW or Jpeg, the images are just cleaner to my eyes with the A57.  It's a shame because I really want the more upgraded body and the A77 fits my hand like a glove!   I'd be perfectly happy with an A77 with the A57 sensor...not trying to step on any toes, just my opinion.  Obviously, there are some great pictures on the internet taken by the A77 so I know it's a capable camera but I prefer the A57's image quality.

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