Is a "high" shutter count on new Df normal?

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Re: Is a "high" shutter count on new Df normal?
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Saffron_Blaze wrote:

Perhaps they are firing off 200+ accuations then cleaning the sensor before boxing it up.

Reason might be just as you described, but I think Nikon is clever enough to use some insert that can contain all the sprayed oil so that it never even gets to the sensor. Some factory tool that would get between the oil and the parts it could do any harm. Then fire the 200+ actuations and once some tracking system (vid cam + analysis system) sees no more oil being sprayed in last 50 shutter moves, then consider it safe for shipping.

But you could be also right, there may be reasons to just let is spill and spray over and then clean up. Df is interesting device. Not sure how will this go, demand may stay quite high for a long time.

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Re: Is a "high" shutter count on new Df normal?
In reply to Osku, Dec 5, 2013

Osku wrote:

Saffron_Blaze wrote:

Perhaps they are firing off 200+ accuations then cleaning the sensor before boxing it up.

 Df is interesting device. Not sure how will this go, demand may stay quite high for a long time.

Last I heard demand was not that high.

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Re: Is a "high" shutter count on new Df normal?
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Saffron_Blaze wrote:

Osku wrote:

Saffron_Blaze wrote:

Perhaps they are firing off 200+ accuations then cleaning the sensor before boxing it up.

Df is interesting device. Not sure how will this go, demand may stay quite high for a long time.

Last I heard demand was not that high.

When there is leftover supply at launch time and in the days following, then demand is not high at all. One could order the kit from several online stores right now. A few stores, including Amazon, are have the Df alone in stock. The market is telling Nikon this camera is priced too high for what it offers.

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Re: Is a "high" shutter count on new Df normal?
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Only 149,750 shutter actuations to go!

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Re: Is a "high" shutter count on new Df normal?
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I actually received two Nikon Df's and a Nikon D7100 on the same day.  Both Df's had shutter counts in the mid-200's and the D7100 was at 0.

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Actually the norm for Nikon.

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Re: Is a "high" shutter count on new Df normal?
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Not always true.  The market could be telling Nikon that because of the issues with the rollout of the D800 and the D600, people are going to sit on the fence until the reliability numbers are out.  Accorrding to NowInStock, none of the large online shops have a body only Df for sale.  Amazon Market Place has a black one for $27746.95 and a silver one for $2929.95.

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That would suggest some sort of back factory testing

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Re: Is a "high" shutter count on new Df normal?
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Alpha Tech wrote:

When there is leftover supply at launch time and in the days following, then demand is not high at all. One could order the kit from several online stores right now. A few stores, including Amazon, are have the Df alone in stock. The market is telling Nikon this camera is priced too high for what it offers.

this is a misrepresentation. The body only's at amazon have a mark up of almost 200 bucks.

many of us are waiting on body only's because we have or don't need a 50mm 1.8 and we are smart enough with our money not to pay a 200 mark up to a crap business. This is a second body for many of us so we are not possessed of the hysteria of other releases.

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Re: Is a "high" shutter count on new Df normal?
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I bought one here in Toronto, Canada and had a little over 100 shots on the camera out of the box.  The box looked unopened and camera booted up to prompt me for time settings, etc.

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In reply to Patrick McMahon, Dec 6, 2013

Patrick McMahon wrote:

Alpha Tech wrote:

When there is leftover supply at launch time and in the days following, then demand is not high at all. One could order the kit from several online stores right now. A few stores, including Amazon, are have the Df alone in stock. The market is telling Nikon this camera is priced too high for what it offers.

this is a misrepresentation. The body only's at amazon have a mark up of almost 200 bucks.

many of us are waiting on body only's because we have or don't need a 50mm 1.8 and we are smart enough with our money not to pay a 200 mark up to a crap business. This is a second body for many of us so we are not possessed of the hysteria of other releases.

looks to be a winner from all accounts-

This is your inexperience with Nikon product launches.

When demand is this low at launch it does NOT improve later. The early adopters have ordered. Decelerating demand follows after the initial enthusiasts have received their cameras.

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Re: Is a "high" shutter count on new Df normal?
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Alpha Tech wrote:

This is your inexperience with Nikon product launches.

When demand is this low at launch it does NOT improve later. The early adopters have ordered. Decelerating demand follows after the initial enthusiasts have received their cameras.

Oh I was here for the D800 hysteria (In fact I was here for 8 years before you arrived )

This is a launch like no other. Besides being a niche camera in high demand by people in search of a second body- it is also in 2 styles and Nikon has decided to obligate more of it's bodies to kits. And with a lens ubiquitous to most wanting the Df. There is not a silver bodied Df to be had (unless you want to pay over MSRP), and the online sites that say there is will tell you upon checkout that they ain't got it.

On top of all of this you have a huge number of photographers who are on the fence as to the Df itself and cautious of Nikon's recent quality control. They are waiting to see... And from all I read they are going to be rewarded in a good way. You have people saying "I wasn't a fan of this camera... but damn I just shot a day with it and it is awesome!"

So don't be so eager to apply the D800/D7100 launch to this one... It is different in a number of ways and I believe demand can remain high and steady for this camera.

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Re: Is a "high" shutter count on new Df normal?
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jkjond wrote:
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it does intrigue me - with so many units leaving the factory, is someone sat on a wooden stool at the end of a production line pressing the shutter release about 250 times, chimping the LCD then getting a loupe out to check the sensor for oil spots and maybe even a bit of front/back focus confirmation too? The logistics of testing are quite mind boggling.
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You got me wondering...

and now I think the process makes sense, as 250 shutter releases would take only 3 quarters of a minute @ the nominal 5.5 FPS rate.

Given that the poor technician on a wood stool would inspect the sensor only in the end and that the lingering suspect (from D600 times) is related to shutter/mirror lubrication, continuous shooting looks like an adequate testing procedure indeed, due to the unrelenting build-up of friction/heat/splash-ability on the shutter "clockwork", n'est-ce pas?

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Re: Is a "high" shutter count on new Df normal?
In reply to edu T, Dec 10, 2013

So it is not just mine then

My new black Df came with 227 shutter actuations.

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Re: Is a "high" shutter count on new Df normal?
In reply to Tubed_Jazz, Dec 10, 2013

Its probably that guy who ordered 30 cameras at B&H, tested them and returned 29. 

Tubed_Jazz wrote:

Hi,

Just picked up my new Df and everything is great, except the shutter count.

Looking at a couple of initial test shots using ExifTool I was shocked to see there had already been 249 shots taken with the camera. I've had quite a few new Nikons in my time and the most I've ever seen was 6 on my new D700.

I queried the store, who contacted Nikon Australia, who then assured them (and me) that the camera:

  • was new,
  • never a demo or a return, and
  • that Nikon Japan are putting all Df cameras through a more vigorous testing after the D600 problems.

They thought 249 actuations was a bit high but all new Dfs would have about 100 to 150 shutter actuations when purchased new.

Can anyone with a new Df confirm this?

Thanks in advance,

Jeff

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Porsche used to test drive every 911 on the autobahn for about 25km, to make sure that there is nothing wrong with the car coming off the assembly line. I suspect that they don't do it anymore because quality control is much better now, and the Green party is against Porsche from damaging the environment needlessly.

I would suggest that if a car ODO does not read at least 25 km, the buyer would freak out because his car wasn't tested. Maybe you should consider yourself lucky that your camera has been "used" a few time, and that it is still working properly, a statement of the quality of a Nikon camera.

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There are numerous comments about the lack of sales from individuals that don't have a clue as to what the real numbers are; other's complain about the controls, etc etc. The one's that complain are the one's that can't afford to buy one and would rather see it fail, so that they will be able to say ' I told you so! I was right!', it was too expensive; or because they simply need the approval from other's, that they have made the right choice by purchasing another product.  Enjoy your other camera, the DF is not for you.

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Re: Is a "high" shutter count on new Df normal?
In reply to Tubed_Jazz, Dec 14, 2013

I'm sure glad I found this thread!  My brand new Df showed up today - with 237 shutter actuations!

My D800 and D700 had exactly '0'

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Re: Is a "high" shutter count on new Df normal?
In reply to Tubed_Jazz, Dec 20, 2013

Mine had 260 when I opened the box.

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