IBIS for SONY E MOUNT FF cameras may be seen in upcoming models !

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altaf007
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IBIS for SONY E MOUNT FF cameras may be seen in upcoming models !
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Has anybody ever wondered why didn't Sony make in-lens optically stabilized Zeiss lenses for A7/A7r cameras ? Since Sony & Olympus have agreed to share technology  I believe Sony had plans to release IBIS Mirrorless cameras in near future and at present time the technology wasn't mature enough to make its way into A7/A7r cameras.

what do you think guys will we ever see IBIS mirrorless cameras by Sony ?

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Re: IBIS for SONY E MOUNT FF cameras may be seen in upcoming models !
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The zeiss Zoom FE 24-70mm f/4.0 has OSS

The Sony FE 28-70 has OSS

The Sony FE 70-200 f/4.0 G has OSS

It is often that short FL lenses... Especially for the primes as both Zeiss 35mm and 55mm do not need absolutely OSS... Check offering from Nikon and Canon who do not have IBIS on similar FL lenses.

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altaf007 wrote:

Has anybody ever wondered why didn't Sony make in-lens optically stabilized Zeiss lenses for A7/A7r cameras ? Since Sony & Olympus have agreed to share technology I believe Sony had plans to release IBIS Mirrorless cameras in near future and at present time the technology wasn't mature enough to make its way into A7/A7r cameras.

what do you think guys will we ever see IBIS mirrorless cameras by Sony ?

I suppose I wouldn't object if it doesn't add to the overall size but it's not very high on the priority list for me.   The lenses that I will use the majority of the time will likely be stabilized anyway which helps me at times but overall it's a small percentage of the time.

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I certainly hope not. Give me fast lenses and big high-ISO sensors that can actually freeze motion blur instead.

IBIS represents everything wrong with over-complex technology that u43 users seem to love. It's yet another thing to go wrong when sensor alignment is so critical to avoid lens de-centering issues that become more important the larger the format,

As evidence, the OMD series has trouble at certain shutter speed ranges when not using EFCS due to IBIS reacting badly with the shutter shock and body vibration harmonics.

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Olympus engineers are hard at work to implement their excellent 5-axis IBIS, in a miniaturized format, into the next generation of Sony MILC cameras. OSS will be dropped at that time, making future lenses smaller.

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altaf007 wrote:

Has anybody ever wondered why didn't Sony make in-lens optically stabilized Zeiss lenses for A7/A7r cameras ? Since Sony & Olympus have agreed to share technology I believe Sony had plans to release IBIS Mirrorless cameras in near future and at present time the technology wasn't mature enough to make its way into A7/A7r cameras.

what do you think guys will we ever see IBIS mirrorless cameras by Sony ?

It was mature enough to make its way into the a99 over a year ago.

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altaf007 wrote:

Has anybody ever wondered why didn't Sony make in-lens optically stabilized Zeiss lenses for A7/A7r cameras ? Since Sony & Olympus have agreed to share technology I believe Sony had plans to release IBIS Mirrorless cameras in near future and at present time the technology wasn't mature enough to make its way into A7/A7r cameras.

what do you think guys will we ever see IBIS mirrorless cameras by Sony ?

It was mature enough to make its way into the a99 over a year ago.

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That was not the Olympus system.

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I have doubts that the E munt is large enough to support  IBIS, especially with full frame tele lenses - where it would help most, but where the rear lens element is so far away from the sensor that the mount only just allows to illuminate a perfectly centered sensor.

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altaf007 wrote:

Has anybody ever wondered why didn't Sony make in-lens optically stabilized Zeiss lenses for A7/A7r cameras ? Since Sony & Olympus have agreed to share technology I believe Sony had plans to release IBIS Mirrorless cameras in near future and at present time the technology wasn't mature enough to make its way into A7/A7r cameras.

what do you think guys will we ever see IBIS mirrorless cameras by Sony ?

It was mature enough to make its way into the a99 over a year ago.

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That was not the Olympus system.

So? I'm sure Sony has many reasons for not implementing IBIS in their mirrorless cameras besides it not being Olympus' system.

It will be interesting to see what they include in next year's A-mounts, though.

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I have doubts that the E munt is large enough to support IBIS, especially with full frame tele lenses - where it would help most, but where the rear lens element is so far away from the sensor that the mount only just allows to illuminate a perfectly centered sensor.

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+1, at least for full frame, where that sensor is tucked pretty tightly into the mount.

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I certainly hope not. Give me fast lenses and big high-ISO sensors that can actually freeze motion blur instead.

IBIS represents everything wrong with over-complex technology that u43 users seem to love. It's yet another thing to go wrong when sensor alignment is so critical to avoid lens de-centering issues that become more important the larger the format,

As evidence, the OMD series has trouble at certain shutter speed ranges when not using EFCS due to IBIS reacting badly with the shutter shock and body vibration harmonics.

IBIS is a gimmick, and useless for moving targets anyway = no need to make cameras more bulky for a very sporadic & doubtful capability. It might be OK with behemoths like SLT line, but it is a blessing that it is absent in small MILCs - we want MILC to get smaller still, not larger

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altaf007 wrote:

Has anybody ever wondered why didn't Sony make in-lens optically stabilized Zeiss lenses for A7/A7r cameras ? Since Sony & Olympus have agreed to share technology I believe Sony had plans to release IBIS Mirrorless cameras in near future and at present time the technology wasn't mature enough to make its way into A7/A7r cameras.

what do you think guys will we ever see IBIS mirrorless cameras by Sony ?

It's bound to happen at some point, there are enough whiners that can't take a picture without it that eventually it will happen, don't get me wrong, it is useful, but some use it as a crutch for their bad technique, I wonder what photogs did before IS/OSS/IBIS?

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NEXFULLFRAME wrote:

I certainly hope not. Give me fast lenses and big high-ISO sensors that can actually freeze motion blur instead.

IBIS represents everything wrong with over-complex technology that u43 users seem to love. It's yet another thing to go wrong when sensor alignment is so critical to avoid lens de-centering issues that become more important the larger the format,

As evidence, the OMD series has trouble at certain shutter speed ranges when not using EFCS due to IBIS reacting badly with the shutter shock and body vibration harmonics.

IBIS is a gimmick, and useless for moving targets anyway = no need to make cameras more bulky for a very sporadic & doubtful capability. It might be OK with behemoths like SLT line, but it is a blessing that it is absent in small MILCs - we want MILC to get smaller still, not larger

Is that the Royal 'We' or are you able to second guess what all other users want ? There is some evidence that many users think that the NEX's are too small & this accounts for the mixed reception that they have had in the USA.

I suspect that most who think that IBIS is not needed have not actually used an IBIS stabilised camera. I have yet to meet an A-mount users who would like IBIS removed from their cameras. IBIS mechanisms vary & some are better than others. I  have confidence in SONY engineers who should be able to refine & improve the Olympus system.

The fact that IBIS does not deal completely with subject motion is largely irrelevant as it can always be switched off when it is not needed.

Some stubbornly refuse to see that IBIS would greatly enhance the use of older lenses with various adapters. If Sony don't add it then other manufacturers will capitalise on this omission & introduce it on their cameras . Panasonic have done this on their GX7 & that still has ILIS capability as well. All sorts of excuses are made for not having this feature but they are convenient rationalisations after the  fact.

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...of physics - no matter how very small & light, it will still be bigger and heavier than the identical model but without IBIS no one will be able to circumvent this, no matter how smart the engineers

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...of physics - no matter how very small & light, it will still be bigger and heavier than the identical model but without IBIS no one will be able to circumvent this, no matter how smart the engineers

Ah ! The immutable laws of Physics argument .....

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Is that an example of an inscrutable reply ? If you are implying that IBIS would add to the asking price , well have you heard the expression 'spoil the ship for a ha'pworth worth of tar ' ?

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  • if the recent OMG-E1's (no Nex'en with IBIS yet) ridiculously outrageous price is to be used for weighting an IBIS,
  • it seems to be pretty far from just pennies = the E1 should cost perhaps $700-800 (equivalent N6 or N7 bodies right now) at most,
  • but it goes for about twice as much:
  • so, if we attribute 1/3 of that for a "novelty factor",
  • then the rest - a rather hefty 2/3... must be the price of an IBIS in it
  • pretty far from just pennies - quite a lot for a feature I neither need nor want, and certainly not a price for something "one can just switch off if not wanted" as you've put it

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  • if the recent OMG-E1's (no Nex'en with IBIS yet) ridiculously outrageous price is to be used for weighting an IBIS,
  • it seems to be pretty far from just pennies = the E1 should cost perhaps $700-800 (equivalent N6 or N7 bodies right now) at most,
  • but it goes for about twice as much:
  • so, if we attribute 1/3 of that for a "novelty factor",
  • then the rest - a rather hefty 2/3... must be the price of an IBIS in it
  • pretty far from just pennies - quite a lot for a feature I neither need nor want, and certainly not a price for something "one can just switch off if not wanted" as you've put it

Never heard of this mythical camera .....

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jpr2 wrote:

  • if the recent OMD-EM1's (no Nex'en with IBIS yet) ridiculously outrageous price is to be used for weighting an IBIS,
  • it seems to be pretty far from just pennies = the E1 should cost perhaps $700-800 (equivalent N6 or N7 bodies right now) at most,
  • but it goes for about twice as much:
  • so, if we attribute 1/3 of that for a "novelty factor",
  • then the rest - a rather hefty 2/3... must be the price of an IBIS in it
  • pretty far from just pennies - quite a lot for a feature I neither need nor want, and certainly not a price for something "one can just switch off if not wanted" as you've put it

jpr2

sorry for the confusion, it should read OMD-EM1, I'm not terribly well versed in their names = even more mysterious choices than the coding of our Nex-5x (where "x" was pretty close to a completely random selection from the whole alphabet ),

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