Fuji X-M1 compared to Sony Nex 3N

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telefunk
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Fuji X-M1 compared to Sony Nex 3N
11 months ago

Sony Nex cameras are being given away practically for free in corn flake boxes nowadays (new for 200 euro).

I wanted to see how they perform, so I took my memory card and went to a local store to look at the Fuji X-series versus Nex.

I took some test shots inside with a Sony Nex 3N and a Fiji X-M1, both with 16-50 kit lens. Yes, it's a rough comparison, but the two cameras use nearly the same settings for the same scene. One pic at 16mm, the second at 50mm (24 / 70mm equiv). All jpg.

The Fuji XM1 was much nicer to handle, clearly has less noise, but more chromatic aberations. What do you think?

Fuji XM1  wide

Nex 3N wide

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Nex 3N tele

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In reply to telefunk, 11 months ago

Doesn't look like there's much of a diff except WB.

I think Fuji should market the X-M1 in a kit with the pancake as a "Creep Shot Special", it would be a winner.

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In reply to 57LowRider, 11 months ago

sony NEX is not bad if you can get it for a very good price. But if you want high quality IQ, you will need good lens from fuji, therefore X-M1.

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In reply to telefunk, 11 months ago

Hi,
Thing about a test like this is all you're doing is comparing the lenses.
Look at the system, Fuji and m43 offer much better systems than the NEX.
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I wouldn't use an NEX if you GAVE it to me
In reply to telefunk, 11 months ago

I left NEX for Fuji, got fed up with the fiddliness of the NEX, and Sony's decisions wrt the E-mount system. I have not regretted it for a single second.

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Fuji sensor needs more light than Sony?
In reply to telefunk, 11 months ago

The images are not exposed the same. For the wide shots, the Sony seems underexposed. For the tele shots, they seem similar in brightness but the Sony EV is lower.

This leads me to believe that the Sony sensor is more efficient.

I do not see the chromatic aberration you mentioned. Is it in the corners of the X-M1 shots?

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In reply to Caerolle, 11 months ago

Sony's lens line up isn't as bad as it once was. I own both systems, I prefer Fuji, but not necessarily because of the lenses. Sony has a decent wide angle 10-18mm zoom and 16-70 zoom now, they have the Zeiss primes (they are expensive but good), and their 35mm and 50mm primes are pretty good too.

What bugs me about the nex system is the auto white balance and auto exposure are inaccurate, especially indoors. The auto focus sometimes gives you confirmation even though it is not perfectly focused. And finally, there is no way to set minimum shutter speed or max auto iso like you can with newer Fuji's.

High quality glass is also much more affordable with Fuji, most of the good Sony glass with the exception of the 20mm, 35mm, and 50mm primes are a bit overpriced. But the Sony system does have decent glass now, it is just that most of it costs a $1000 each.

As for the op's comparison, I would expect the Fuji to produce much better photos. The Sony 16-50 power zoom was optically the worst lens I have ever used. It's only redeeming quality is it's size and weight.

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Hi,
Thing about a test like this is all you're doing is comparing the lenses.
Look at the system, Fuji and m43 offer much better systems than the NEX.
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particleman78 wrote:

Sony's lens line up isn't as bad as it once was. I own both systems, I prefer Fuji, but not necessarily because of the lenses. Sony has a decent wide angle 10-18mm zoom and 16-70 zoom now, they have the Zeiss primes (they are expensive but good), and their 35mm and 50mm primes are pretty good too.

What bugs me about the nex system is the auto white balance and auto exposure are inaccurate, especially indoors. The auto focus sometimes gives you confirmation even though it is not perfectly focused. And finally, there is no way to set minimum shutter speed or max auto iso like you can with newer Fuji's.

High quality glass is also much more affordable with Fuji, most of the good Sony glass with the exception of the 20mm, 35mm, and 50mm primes are a bit overpriced. But the Sony system does have decent glass now, it is just that most of it costs a $1000 each.

As for the op's comparison, I would expect the Fuji to produce much better photos. The Sony 16-50 power zoom was optically the worst lens I have ever used. It's only redeeming quality is it's size and weight.

cheddargav wrote:

Hi,
Thing about a test like this is all you're doing is comparing the lenses.
Look at the system, Fuji and m43 offer much better systems than the NEX.
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The lenses Sony has added don't impress me much. They, like Fuji, keep adding a lot of short lenses, and zooms, neither of which interest me. And the upcoming Zeiss 50mm macro? Seriously, Sony? Even if they got lenses I liked, their interfaces were horrid on the bodies. Seems they have changed that on the A7s, but it looks like those still have free-wheeling control dials, which I hate (maybe they just look that way, I dunno).

Fuji's lenses are much better, and I really like the X-E bodies (I have the X-E1). However, I am kind of getting the idea that if I want mild and medium telephoto lenses, I am going to have to go back to dSLRs. People only seem to want short lenses with the mirrorless cameras, apparently for most people, the size and weight is a big reason they want them. For me, the size and weight isn't such an issue, I just don't like the mirror and OVF of dSLRs. However, I rented a body over the weekend that I really loved. All the ones in the past I hated, but I really didn't want to send this one back. The biggest downsides with it were that I have gotten spoiled by my EVF, and having AF points spread over the whole frame. This camera had one of the worst AF systems in modern dSLRs, I think.

So I am really conflicted at this point about what to do moving ahead. I planned to get the 56/1.2 when (if) they ever put it out, but that $1200 could go a long way towards building a system that also had a longer portrait lens, and a long native macro (and fast, reliable autofocus). And really, any other lenses I could ever want. And flashes. If the Fuji system ever gets there, it will be a long time. I am wondering if I just tried mirrorless too soon, maybe I should get out and see what happens in the next five years, instead of buying more lenses that are more expensive than the equivalent dSLR lenses. And I worry about the long-term viability of the system. In another thread, someone said that the imaging division is only 5% of Fuji, and of course loses money. Maybe in a couple of years they decide to just close that down.

Hard to know what to do....

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In reply to Caerolle, 11 months ago

Growing up with digital and being someone that wears glasses, I don't like OVFs much either.  I have considered DSLRs too, and the only DSLRs with fast live view AF are Sony SLTs and Canon's 70D.   But since I am not a pro, weight does matter to me.  I don't shoot telephoto much so long lenses aren't a big concern with me.

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particleman78 wrote:

Sony's lens line up isn't as bad as it once was. I own both systems, I prefer Fuji, but not necessarily because of the lenses. Sony has a decent wide angle 10-18mm zoom and 16-70 zoom now, they have the Zeiss primes (they are expensive but good), and their 35mm and 50mm primes are pretty good too.

What bugs me about the nex system is the auto white balance and auto exposure are inaccurate, especially indoors. The auto focus sometimes gives you confirmation even though it is not perfectly focused. And finally, there is no way to set minimum shutter speed or max auto iso like you can with newer Fuji's.

High quality glass is also much more affordable with Fuji, most of the good Sony glass with the exception of the 20mm, 35mm, and 50mm primes are a bit overpriced. But the Sony system does have decent glass now, it is just that most of it costs a $1000 each.

As for the op's comparison, I would expect the Fuji to produce much better photos. The Sony 16-50 power zoom was optically the worst lens I have ever used. It's only redeeming quality is it's size and weight.

cheddargav wrote:

Hi,
Thing about a test like this is all you're doing is comparing the lenses.
Look at the system, Fuji and m43 offer much better systems than the NEX.
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The lenses Sony has added don't impress me much. They, like Fuji, keep adding a lot of short lenses, and zooms, neither of which interest me. And the upcoming Zeiss 50mm macro? Seriously, Sony? Even if they got lenses I liked, their interfaces were horrid on the bodies. Seems they have changed that on the A7s, but it looks like those still have free-wheeling control dials, which I hate (maybe they just look that way, I dunno).

Fuji's lenses are much better, and I really like the X-E bodies (I have the X-E1). However, I am kind of getting the idea that if I want mild and medium telephoto lenses, I am going to have to go back to dSLRs. People only seem to want short lenses with the mirrorless cameras, apparently for most people, the size and weight is a big reason they want them. For me, the size and weight isn't such an issue, I just don't like the mirror and OVF of dSLRs. However, I rented a body over the weekend that I really loved. All the ones in the past I hated, but I really didn't want to send this one back. The biggest downsides with it were that I have gotten spoiled by my EVF, and having AF points spread over the whole frame. This camera had one of the worst AF systems in modern dSLRs, I think.

So I am really conflicted at this point about what to do moving ahead. I planned to get the 56/1.2 when (if) they ever put it out, but that $1200 could go a long way towards building a system that also had a longer portrait lens, and a long native macro (and fast, reliable autofocus). And really, any other lenses I could ever want. And flashes. If the Fuji system ever gets there, it will be a long time. I am wondering if I just tried mirrorless too soon, maybe I should get out and see what happens in the next five years, instead of buying more lenses that are more expensive than the equivalent dSLR lenses. And I worry about the long-term viability of the system. In another thread, someone said that the imaging division is only 5% of Fuji, and of course loses money. Maybe in a couple of years they decide to just close that down.

Hard to know what to do....

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Same here Caerolle

I used to have a NEX 5R. Hate their lenses, the kit zoom 16-55mm is so ordinary. Their menu layout is horrible. I bought a Sigma 19mm and put it on the NEX. The Sigma 19 is a great lens at $199. The NEX sensor is stunning, clean even at ISO 3200. Love the small body of the NEX 5R and its grip. I sold it off, moved to Fuji, no regrets.

Currently I shoot EM5 often side-by-side with XE-1. When comparing pics from  EM5+pana 25mm Vs XE-1 with 35mm, I prefer the WB of the XE-1, and the detail and AF speed of the EM1. I know WB, detail and NR to some extent can be manipulated in LR and other PP means. AF speed is the EM5's clear advantage.

I can't currently say which combo I prefer, but my preference is on the controls of the XE-1, though hate the soft EV dial, its easily bumped around. The XE-2 has me interested, if face detection works well, i m tempted. Also AF tracking, wow.

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ThachLy wrote:

Same here Caerolle

I used to have a NEX 5R. Hate their lenses, the kit zoom 16-55mm is so ordinary. Their menu layout is horrible. I bought a Sigma 19mm and put it on the NEX. The Sigma 19 is a great lens at $199. The NEX sensor is stunning, clean even at ISO 3200. Love the small body of the NEX 5R and its grip. I sold it off, moved to Fuji, no regrets.

Currently I shoot EM5 often side-by-side with XE-1. When comparing pics from EM5+pana 25mm Vs XE-1 with 35mm, I prefer the WB of the XE-1, and the detail and AF speed of the EM1. I know WB, detail and NR to some extent can be manipulated in LR and other PP means. AF speed is the EM5's clear advantage.

I can't currently say which combo I prefer, but my preference is on the controls of the XE-1, though hate the soft EV dial, its easily bumped around. The XE-2 has me interested, if face detection works well, i m tempted. Also AF tracking, wow.

Either is definitely better than an NEX, by far!  

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Re: Fuji sensor needs more light than Sony?
In reply to CAcreeks, 11 months ago

I see the chromatic aberations in the fluorescent lights running overhead. In Fuji XM1 they are accompanied by a blue halo.

Regarding the other comments: you have all stated exactly my feelings about Nex. Bad interface, menues, lenses. No upper iso limit....They don't seemn to have been made by photographers.

But the point of my rough test was to see how much beter the mythical IQ of Fuji would be. And I must say I am very surpridsed how well that crappy little Nex3N held its own.

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In reply to telefunk, 11 months ago

telefunk wrote:

I see the chromatic aberations in the fluorescent lights running overhead. In Fuji XM1 they are accompanied by a blue halo.

Thank you for replying.

Usually chromatic aberration involves blue/purple on one side and red/magenta on the other.

In this case it seems to be an edging artifact, possibly added in JPEG processing. The Sony does not show this at all.

What bothers me more are the corners, which are very soft from both cameras, perhaps due to being out of focus, or perhaps due to mediocre quality of the lenses.

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