Mirrorless shipments surge....

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Eamon Hickey
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In reply to brownie314, Nov 4, 2013

brownie314 wrote:

Eamon Hickey wrote:

I did not assume that at first because this is mind blowing. Photographers on this website get annoyed with people who obsess over gear and DXO mark results and various minutia like that. But this one takes the cake. This is obsessing over financial results.

What exactly is wrong with being curious about the business of cameras and photography? Does that curiosity, and discussions about it, harm children or puppies? How about, say, the history of camera technology? I mean, what use is it to know about wet plate cameras? How about the science of applied optics? Is that a risible obsession?

Maybe you're not interested. Fine. Nobody is trying to tell you what you should be curious about, a courtesy you apparently don't reciprocate. If you don't care about camera company financial results, don't read threads about them.

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In reply to Eamon Hickey, Nov 4, 2013

Eamon Hickey wrote:

brownie314 wrote:

Eamon Hickey wrote:

I did not assume that at first because this is mind blowing. Photographers on this website get annoyed with people who obsess over gear and DXO mark results and various minutia like that. But this one takes the cake. This is obsessing over financial results.

What exactly is wrong with being curious about the business of cameras and photography? Does that curiosity, and discussions about it, harm children or puppies? How about, say, the history of camera technology? I mean, what use is it to know about wet plate cameras? How about the science of applied optics? Is that a risible obsession?

Maybe you're not interested. Fine. Nobody is trying to tell you what you should be curious about, a courtesy you apparently don't reciprocate. If you don't care about camera company financial results, don't read threads about them.

You can obsess over anything you want, I am not trying to stop you.  I just thought it was curious for people to do so on a photography enthusiast website.  But I guess it makes sense, there is gear obsession, why not obsess about financials of the companies that make that gear.

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In reply to brownie314, Nov 4, 2013

brownie314 wrote:

Eamon Hickey wrote:

brownie314 wrote:

Eamon Hickey wrote:

I did not assume that at first because this is mind blowing. Photographers on this website get annoyed with people who obsess over gear and DXO mark results and various minutia like that. But this one takes the cake. This is obsessing over financial results.

What exactly is wrong with being curious about the business of cameras and photography? Does that curiosity, and discussions about it, harm children or puppies? How about, say, the history of camera technology? I mean, what use is it to know about wet plate cameras? How about the science of applied optics? Is that a risible obsession?

Maybe you're not interested. Fine. Nobody is trying to tell you what you should be curious about, a courtesy you apparently don't reciprocate. If you don't care about camera company financial results, don't read threads about them.

You can obsess over anything you want, I am not trying to stop you. I just thought it was curious for people to do so on a photography enthusiast website. But I guess it makes sense, there is gear obsession, why not obsess about financials of the companies that make that gear.

I would simply add that DPR reports on camera company financial information in their News category. I did a simple search using only the word "financial" that found 88 DPR articles. Recent examples include

Olympus stems losses but PEN sales disappoint (August 2013)

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/08/09/olympus-stems-loses-but-pen-sales-disappoint

Nikon looks beyond cameras as compact sales continue to slide

http://connect.dpreview.com/post/0714061353/nikon-smartphone-point-and-shoot-slump

Perhaps the folks at DPR view their mission more broadly than you do.

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In reply to marike6, Nov 5, 2013

Our dear objectiive OP trying to hard to come across as objective, attacking anybody who's trying to use personal observation on this thread but he

If you are objective, just state the numbers but you tried to paint a positive picture of MILC and then of course, used the word "surge".  This is just as chilldish as grown men making threads with title such as "I dumped my xxx and bought a yyy".  Selling of a camera is "dumping".  Is this something a child would say, not grown men.

Guys, I dumped my girl friend today, after one year of use, I've come to the conclusion that the ergonomics wasn't getting it done.  The body and lens combo was just too big and heavy and she's just not repsonsive enough.  Her frame rate was too slow and her battery life was too short.  I didn't like her dynamic range.

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In reply to dennis tennis, Nov 5, 2013

dennis tennis wrote:

Our dear objectiive OP trying to hard to come across as objective, attacking anybody who's trying to use personal observation on this thread but he

If you are objective, just state the numbers but you tried to paint a positive picture of MILC and then of course, used the word "surge". This is just as chilldish as grown men making threads with title such as "I dumped my xxx and bought a yyy". Selling of a camera is "dumping". Is this something a child would say, not grown men.

Guys, I dumped my girl friend today, after one year of use, I've come to the conclusion that the ergonomics wasn't getting it done. The body and lens combo was just too big and heavy and she's just not repsonsive enough. Her frame rate was too slow and her battery life was too short. I didn't like her dynamic range.

You do raise a fair point. Actually if you read my posts in the thread I think you would see that I havent tried to paint a  particularly positive picture for MILC sales because I dont think the numbers for MILC sales are, in aggregate, that positive.

The thread title does of course include the word 'surge' which is a very 'subjective' description of the rise in MILC shipments reported in the September figures. The problem I have found though, in the past, is that if I happen to title the thread 'CIPA reports September digital camera shipments', the thread disappears without trace within a couple of hours.

So, admittedly some poetic license was taken with the title of the thread. The problem with a catchy title though, as you imply, is that many people judge their response based on the title of the thread alone. And arguably if you are deliberately trying to attract people to look at the data through the thread title - you should not really be surprised if it generates 'knee-jerk' responses.

And my attack on 'personal observation' or 'anecdotal evidence' is that it is not really relevant in the face of aggregated global data. The concept of 'when I was out for a walk today, half the people I saw were carrying a milc' is as meaningless 'I havent seen anyone carrying a milc in the past week'. I have no idea why someone would wish to post such an atomic data point.

Incidentally looking back at the the threads I have started on this subject I note one titled 'Poor camera shipments continue - miserable mirrorless.' So you could equally arguable that the use of the word 'miserable' is an equally subjective term for a 'poor' monthly figure.

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