XM1 Dynamic Range ..

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Scott Birch New Member • Posts: 2
XM1 Dynamic Range ..

.. appears to be lower than that of other X-series cameras. Why is that? Does it affect the way XM1 owners shoot? Anybody care to comment? I'm looking to buy either the XM-1 or an MFT. I really like the low-light samples I've seen from the XM-1, but I'm worried about big swathes of nothing-but-black where I might occasionally like some shadow detail.

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Red5TX Senior Member • Posts: 1,586
Re: XM1 Dynamic Range ..

Scott Birch wrote:

.. appears to be lower than that of other X-series cameras. Why is that? Does it affect the way XM1 owners shoot? Anybody care to comment? I'm looking to buy either the XM-1 or an MFT. I really like the low-light samples I've seen from the XM-1, but I'm worried about big swathes of nothing-but-black where I might occasionally like some shadow detail.

Can you point to a source for this?  I'd be surprised if Fuji as crippling the X-M1.

Amnon G
Amnon G Regular Member • Posts: 197
Re: XM1 Dynamic Range ..

I noticed that in camera reviews. Just go to the dynamic range page and choose on one slot the X-Pro1 (or X-E1) and in another the X-M1. Interestingly there are even subtle differences between X-E1 and X-Pro1.

Remember to choose the same DR setting in both slots.

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Jay Ell Regular Member • Posts: 256
Different in-camera JPG styles...

The cameras just use differet JPG processing, one with more contrast, the other with less.

If you are going to shoot in situations where you need to compress large contast into an output format, you need to shoot in raw and there isn't likely to be any DR issues.

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Randy Benter
Randy Benter Veteran Member • Posts: 3,145
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All the 16MP X cameras have identical DR. This includes X-Pro1, X-E1, X100s, X-M1,and X-A1. They do apply different JPEG tone curves which effects the contrast of the image, but not the inherent DR.

DPR confuses the issue by incorrectly using the term "Dynamic Range" to describe their JPEG tone curve tests/comparisons.

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J720
J720 Forum Member • Posts: 82
Re: Different in-camera JPG styles...

I feel my XM1 is hard on the dark areas. It's fine when it's sunny but gets gritty in lowlight. I  just lessen the contrast.

Jay Ell wrote:

The cameras just use differet JPG processing, one with more contrast, the other with less.

If you are going to shoot in situations where you need to compress large contast into an output format, you need to shoot in raw and there isn't likely to be any DR issues.

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Norm N New Member • Posts: 19
Re: Different in-camera JPG styles...

Gentilmen, for your enlightenment:

Sal18 Veteran Member • Posts: 4,880
Re: XM1 Dynamic Range ..

I find I can recover a ton of detail from what looks like blocked shadows using the "Shadows" slider in Lightroom 5. Even in jpegs, though RAW files will provide even more. In actual use I do not find less DR than with my E-1.

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Scott Birch OP New Member • Posts: 2
Re: XM1 Dynamic Range ..

Why would Fuji do that? Irritating. So if I take RAW pics I don't lose dynamic range? Thank you. Good to know.

bowportes Senior Member • Posts: 2,557
Re: XM1 Dynamic Range ..

It would be interesting for someone with both cameras to give a review of the practical differences between them.  To begin, it is my impression that:

1. Velvia on the XM1 is less exaggerated than on the X-E1. It is therefore more useful on the X-M1.

2. The XM1 when set to DRAuto, sticks to DR200 in situations where the X-E1 would choose DR400.

3. The flattest, most unadorned "film" on the X-E1 -- Pro Negative Standard -- has no equivalent on the XM1.  In harsh, contrasty, outdoor lighting, Pro Negative Standard is sorely missed.

4. If I'm not mistaken, double-exposure mode on the X-E1 gives you a double-exposed negative (i.e. a double-exposed RAW file), but only gives a double-exposed JPEG from the XM1.

I'd be curious whether others can confirm (or contradict) any of these; they are simply my impressions. What other differences would you add to the list?

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Amnon G
Amnon G Regular Member • Posts: 197
Re: XM1 Dynamic Range ..

Thanks, that's very interesting.

It seems irrelevant for me to extrapolate that the X-E2 will have similar OOC JPG to X-M1? I thought that since they have the same processor, same sensor, they would give the same OOC JPG but that could be wrong if they choose to put profiles more similar to the X-E1 (which I own now) than to the X-M1.

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CAcreeks
CAcreeks Veteran Member • Posts: 8,813
Here is the graph!
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Wondered about this myself, found this thread. I like S curves!

In DR 400 JPEG, the X-E1 (red) and X-M1 (green) have very similar highlight curves, but different shadow curves. The Olympus OM-D with Gradation Auto (blue) has about 1 stop more shadow detail than the X-E1 and 2.5 stops more than the X-M1, but at least half a stop less highlight detail.

I believe these are the three best cameras for highlights

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