Who will buy the Sony A7/A7r?

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spacemn Senior Member • Posts: 1,590
Who will buy the Sony A7/A7r?

Provided that the following rumoured specs turn out correct, will you buy the Sony A7 or A7r?

o 24Mpix / 36Mpix (both are newly developed full frame sensors with specially designed micro lens array - like the Leica M)

o OSPDAF / - (no AA filter)

o Price around $1600 / $2300

o No IBIS

o AF is faster than the RX series, but still not as fast as the best in the mirrorless world

o Both have focus peaking (of course)

o Eye tracking AF

o They are about same size as the Olympus OMD series

o There is an optional vertical grip

o They have Wifi and NFC

o No Tri Navi, they had scroll wheels in front and back (which were very much like nex-7′s) and an exposure comp wheel from RX1 - according to a source

o One source: "the body quality is very good and the camera had a Pentax LX feeling"

o 1/8000 shutter speed

o Weather sealed

O Tiltable screens

o Comes with four lenses at launch (and a roadmap):

Sony G FE 28-75mm f/3.5-5.6 OSS(?) (kit lens - $2000 including the A7)

Sony Zeiss FE 24-70mm f/4 OSS

Sony Zeiss FE 35mm f/2.8 (weather sealed)

Sony Zeiss FE 55mm f/1.8

...I would buy!

KBKB Senior Member • Posts: 2,782
Re: Who will buy the Sony A7/A7r?
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I'll probably buy.

Since it doesn't have Tri-Navi, I want to find out what the controls are going to be instead.

Also, I'm hoping that there will be a way to do bracketed exposures with either a remote or a cable release.  If this is not possible, I'll probably consider some other option altogether.

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Re: Who will buy the Sony A7/A7r?

I read today that AF speed is better than the RX1, but not as good as some other mirrorless. I'll wait and see. Plus, I need a fast 35 (prefer f/1.4, but 2 if necessary) as this is the lens I use 97% of the time on my Canon 6D. So I'll likely wait a while, but I am intrigued.

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spacemn OP Senior Member • Posts: 1,590
Re: Who will buy the Sony A7/A7r?

KBKB wrote:

I'll probably buy.

Since it doesn't have Tri-Navi, I want to find out what the controls are going to be instead.

Also, I'm hoping that there will be a way to do bracketed exposures with either a remote or a cable release. If this is not possible, I'll probably consider some other option altogether.

Isn't there an app for bracketed exposures for the NEX-5R, 5T and 6?

I personally like the tri-navi on my NEX-7, but I would prefer a dedicated program and exposure comp dial, along with wheels on the back and front - but yes, I would wait and see if the ergonomics suit me.

spacemn OP Senior Member • Posts: 1,590
Re: Who will buy the Sony A7/A7r?

sean lancaster wrote:

I read today that AF speed is better than the RX1, but not as good as some other mirrorless. I'll wait and see. Plus, I need a fast 35 (prefer f/1.4, but 2 if necessary) as this is the lens I use 97% of the time on my Canon 6D. So I'll likely wait a while, but I am intrigued.

There was also a SR4 or 5 rumour about a ned LA-EA4(?) adapter. It could be the full frame version of the EA2. In that case a pairing with the Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 OS USM or 35mm f/1.4 would make a pro like setup with DSLR fast PDAF and stabilization in the zoom.

pmow
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Re: Who will buy the Sony A7/A7r?

spacemn wrote:

KBKB wrote:

I'll probably buy.

Since it doesn't have Tri-Navi, I want to find out what the controls are going to be instead.

Also, I'm hoping that there will be a way to do bracketed exposures with either a remote or a cable release. If this is not possible, I'll probably consider some other option altogether.

Isn't there an app for bracketed exposures for the NEX-5R, 5T and 6?

I personally like the tri-navi on my NEX-7, but I would prefer a dedicated program and exposure comp dial, along with wheels on the back and front - but yes, I would wait and see if the ergonomics suit me.

You would think so, right?  It's not like people have been asking for a bigger EV range and more steps...

No, it only has:

Focus Bracketing (This is useless.)

Aperture Bracketing

Flash Bracketing

Shutter Bracketing

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ianimal Senior Member • Posts: 1,054
Poll when released...

When and if the rumored cameras are released a poll could be made here.
Suggestion for the poll:
Question: Will you buy Sony NEX FF now?
1. Yes, A7
2. Yes, A7r
3. No, never buy first edition of anything
4. No, to expensive for me.
5. No, don't need FF.
6. No, not the FF camera spec. I want.
7. No, to few E-mount FF lenses now so I wait.
8. No, don't need a new camera now.
9. I am not sure yet, so I wait some more.

Rod McD Veteran Member • Posts: 3,917
Re: Who will buy the Sony A7/A7r?

Hi,

Lurking here to watch the rumors evolve......hopefully into reality.  However, I wouldn't pay a premium price for any camera based on specs.  I need to see it in hand and read some tests of its performance.  The retail price in Australia is also critical to me - we often have to pay a painful premium over US prices.  If the premium is too high, then it's stick with APSC for a while......

This is a new system.  The lenses are part of the package.  The 35mm may well interest me, but I would really want a small, high grade 24mm as well and none has been tipped.  I'm not so sure about getting 24mm via the Zeiss zoom unless it really is stellar.  And if not, that leaves RF and DSLR 24mm primes, and we don't yet know how either type of lens will perform on the new sensor.  This will be critical information from early owners.

Rod

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sean lancaster Veteran Member • Posts: 6,786
Re: Who will buy the Sony A7/A7r?

spacemn wrote:

sean lancaster wrote:

I read today that AF speed is better than the RX1, but not as good as some other mirrorless. I'll wait and see. Plus, I need a fast 35 (prefer f/1.4, but 2 if necessary) as this is the lens I use 97% of the time on my Canon 6D. So I'll likely wait a while, but I am intrigued.

There was also a SR4 or 5 rumour about a ned LA-EA4(?) adapter. It could be the full frame version of the EA2. In that case a pairing with the Sigma 70-200 f/2.8 OS USM or 35mm f/1.4 would make a pro like setup with DSLR fast PDAF and stabilization in the zoom.

I really use a Sigma 35 and a Canon 100L 2.8 Macro as the only two lenses I need. I enjoy macro, but I could go manual focus for that using legacy glass. But I'd want AF for portraits. And, the SAL135F18Z 135mm f/1.8 is appealing using that adapter, I suppose. I am not sure I'd enjoy my big Sigma 35 on an adapter and then attached to the tiny A7r, but I suppose it would be a bit lighter than my 6D, so there's that. Hmmm.

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Keto Regular Member • Posts: 432
Re: Who will buy the Sony A7/A7r?

If reviews for the A7 & the 35mm are solid then I'm definitely buying.

Acrill
Acrill Senior Member • Posts: 1,899
Re: Who will buy the Sony A7/A7r?

Depends mostly on what lenses they release to go with the cameras.

If they release a compact lens around the 35mm focal length with a bright aperture then I might be it.

If not, then no deal.

There are already fairly compact wide angle, macro, 50mm and 85mm options available so I am not concerned about those lenses and focal lengths.

Also, phase detection would be a strong selling point.

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Tom Spaulding Regular Member • Posts: 162
Re: Who will buy the Sony A7/A7r?

I've got a Leica 75mm and a Zeiss 35mm that might take some nice pictures on one of these new Sony's

Petroglyph
Petroglyph Senior Member • Posts: 4,962
Re: Who will buy the Sony A7/A7r?

I like a lot of those specs.  Maybe we'll know more next week.  Going to need a high quality WA for landscape on that 36MP ver.

Cheers.

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Keit ll Senior Member • Posts: 3,703
Re: Who will buy the Sony A7/A7r?

I'm prepared for now to wait & see but I'm not too enthusiastic at the moment . I've said it before but no IBIS - no buy !

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Re: Who will buy the Sony A7/A7r?

I want one!!

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Re: Who will buy the Sony A7/A7r?

spacemn wrote:

Provided that the following rumoured specs turn out correct, will you buy the Sony A7 or A7r?

o 24Mpix / 36Mpix (both are newly developed full frame sensors with specially designed micro lens array - like the Leica M)

o OSPDAF / - (no AA filter)

o Price around $1600 / $2300

o No IBIS

o AF is faster than the RX series, but still not as fast as the best in the mirrorless world

o Both have focus peaking (of course)

o Eye tracking AF

o They are about same size as the Olympus OMD series

o There is an optional vertical grip

o They have Wifi and NFC

o No Tri Navi, they had scroll wheels in front and back (which were very much like nex-7′s) and an exposure comp wheel from RX1 - according to a source

o One source: "the body quality is very good and the camera had a Pentax LX feeling"

o 1/8000 shutter speed

o Weather sealed

O Tiltable screens

o Comes with four lenses at launch (and a roadmap):

Sony G FE 28-75mm f/3.5-5.6 OSS(?) (kit lens - $2000 including the A7)

Sony Zeiss FE 24-70mm f/4 OSS

Sony Zeiss FE 35mm f/2.8 (weather sealed)

Sony Zeiss FE 55mm f/1.8

...I would buy!

The determining factors for me:

1. No purple fringe/color smearing when adapting high end Leica M wide angle lenses.

2. Tiltable screen.

3. Manual focus assist (e.g. Peaking.  BONUS with split image like the Fuji X100s)

4. HD/60p video, with controls (e.g.  focusing) and external communications (e.g. ext mic)

5. Raw still image.  BIG BONUS - RAW video (like the BMPCC.  Am I dreaming?)

So much for now.  I will buy one in a heart beat, either one.

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jpr2 Forum Pro • Posts: 14,710
re: indeed, should the AF on A7 be excellent... AND...

sean lancaster wrote:

I read today that AF speed is better than the RX1, but not as good as some other mirrorless. I'll wait and see. Plus, I need a fast 35 (prefer f/1.4, but 2 if necessary) as this is the lens I use 97% of the time on my Canon 6D. So I'll likely wait a while, but I am intrigued.

...the UI (esp. the menu structure) and the controls significantly overhauled from the N7 menu disaster (despite using my N7 pretty intensely for two years now, I still do hate its menus the same as on day one), then YES;

but already we read on SAR that OSPDAF of A7 might not live up to a task of efficiently shooting/tracking fast action, sports or wildlife

the: "not as good as some other mirrorless" is hardly a good recommendation as even sould it be as good as other mirrorless, even the best ones are still not exactly champions of fast action AF performance - ALAS

jpr2

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I'm not really in the market for it, but I'll keep my eyes open around here, and read over the numerous posts of huge disappointment in the coming weeks.

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Astrophotographer 10 Senior Member • Posts: 6,682
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I would be defiinitely interested in the 36mp no AA version. I would be a more compact version of my D800E with an updated sensor.

The D800E for me was all about the fabulous Sony Sensor. Its a great camera but if you get similar performance in a smaller package then I am in.

Lightning fast AF in all circumstance is not a deal breaker for me. Low light high ISO performance would be a point of evaluation for me.

The 36mp sensor in the D800E is the highest rating sensor on DXOmark. An updated version of that could be even better. Its one hell of a sensor.

Greg.

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spacemn wrote:

Provided that the following rumoured specs turn out correct, will you buy the Sony A7 or A7r?

o 24Mpix / 36Mpix (both are newly developed full frame sensors with specially designed micro lens array - like the Leica M)

o OSPDAF / - (no AA filter)

o Price around $1600 / $2300

o No IBIS

o AF is faster than the RX series, but still not as fast as the best in the mirrorless world

o Both have focus peaking (of course)

o Eye tracking AF

o They are about same size as the Olympus OMD series

o There is an optional vertical grip

o They have Wifi and NFC

o No Tri Navi, they had scroll wheels in front and back (which were very much like nex-7′s) and an exposure comp wheel from RX1 - according to a source

o One source: "the body quality is very good and the camera had a Pentax LX feeling"

o 1/8000 shutter speed

o Weather sealed

O Tiltable screens

o Comes with four lenses at launch (and a roadmap):

Sony G FE 28-75mm f/3.5-5.6 OSS(?) (kit lens - $2000 including the A7)

Sony Zeiss FE 24-70mm f/4 OSS

Sony Zeiss FE 35mm f/2.8 (weather sealed)

Sony Zeiss FE 55mm f/1.8

...I would buy!

I'm in two minds of this with FF. I want it, but can't see me actually NEEDING it !!

I get to see images from FF shooters I stand next to for bird shooting and to be honest, completely honest with myself, I'm not missing out on a lot. I know the benefits of it, but again the main benefits of it are more to do with who is actually behind it and what's in front of the sensor (lenses).

So I'm torn with this one and the choice. My sensible part of my tiny brain says I am better off to get another NEX-7 and a Nikkor AI 400mm F/3.5 ED. To me that makes far more sense for what I want.

Out of that list you have there, only one thing really hits me that I do need and not just want for the sake of it and that's 1/8000.

All the best and the more I think about it, the more the sensible side kicks in

Danny.

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