I never thought I would miss Jimmy Carter...

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I never thought I would miss Jimmy Carter...
Oct 9, 2013

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"Former President Jimmy Carter said Monday that if he were back in the White House, he would work with Republicans and Democrats to secure more funding for affordable housing and urge more flexibility in resolving differences involving the critical issue."

"I would work as harmoniously as I could with other members of the Congress, and with both Democrats and Republicans, to figure out how we can face a time of great deficits."

Not exactly from the Obama playbook.

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"Former President Jimmy Carter said Monday that if he were back in the White House, he would work with Republicans and Democrats to secure more funding for affordable housing and urge more flexibility in resolving differences involving the critical issue."

"I would work as harmoniously as I could with other members of the Congress, and with both Democrats and Republicans, to figure out how we can face a time of great deficits."

Not exactly from the Obama playbook.

The Tea Party faction in Congress would eat Jimmy Carter alive. Now you know why Carter only served one term.

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Before Obummer came to the WH everybody thought Carter was the worst president ever. We all have been proved wrong.

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Before Obummer came to the WH everybody thought Carter was the worst president ever. We all have been proved wrong.

What a silly idea to call Carter a bad President. He was one of the best. Have you ever heard of bad luck? That's what he had.

How good he really is he proved and still proves after his term as President.

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"Former President Jimmy Carter said Monday that if he were back in the White House, he would work with Republicans and Democrats to secure more funding for affordable housing and urge more flexibility in resolving differences involving the critical issue."

"I would work as harmoniously as I could with other members of the Congress, and with both Democrats and Republicans, to figure out how we can face a time of great deficits."

Not exactly from the Obama playbook.

Jimmi Carter had the Top Spot..... Notice I said 'had'.
Jimmi did earn that Noble Prize he was rightfully given.

We really can not put full blame on Barrack..... It's the whole Socialist movement being played out worldwide. In their end game, Socialist will not negotiate.

Get use to it.

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"Former President Jimmy Carter said Monday that if he were back in the White House, he would work with Republicans and Democrats to secure more funding for affordable housing and urge more flexibility in resolving differences involving the critical issue."

"I would work as harmoniously as I could with other members of the Congress, and with both Democrats and Republicans, to figure out how we can face a time of great deficits."

Not exactly from the Obama playbook.

The Tea Party types and Republican right wing has beat up on Obama unrelentingly and without mercy for six years.  It's no wonder that he has hardened his positions.

What goes around comes around.

....and unfortunately the Nation is the loser for all of this animosity.

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rb59020 wrote:

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"Former President Jimmy Carter said Monday that if he were back in the White House, he would work with Republicans and Democrats to secure more funding for affordable housing and urge more flexibility in resolving differences involving the critical issue."

"I would work as harmoniously as I could with other members of the Congress, and with both Democrats and Republicans, to figure out how we can face a time of great deficits."

Not exactly from the Obama playbook.

The Tea Party faction in Congress would eat Jimmy Carter alive. Now you know why Carter only served one term.

Carter served only one term because of the economic mess he caused for the American people. His efforts for the disassembly of the American military and those good paying civillian jobs, didn't help his chance for a second term.

IMO....

As soon as Barrack and the Democrats can destroy all means of available funds for the military, by 'purposely creating an atmosphere' for overloading the system with entitlements, their 'end game' can finally be resolved.
(IMO) The difference today here is, the NWO is getting closer to reality.

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Obama has now made Jimmy Carter look good, along with Vladimir Putin. He needs to go into the PR business. He could make some serious money - Disgraced Leader Rehab, Inc.

Carter had his faults, but he was politically astute enough not to antagonize the other side. So was Clinton, so was Reagan, and all faced opposing majorities in congress. They knew what would happen if they angered the opposition by completely disregarding them. I have no sympathy for Obama on the tp situation - he got them elected, so he gets to live with them.

I respect Obama's ideals as well worth living up to, but his bull in the china shop approach to politics has been nothing short of a train wreck. Can't remember when we had a president who so derided the opposing party - even Carter was a gentleman, and understood that he represented all citizens, not just the ones that voted for him.

If nothing else, the Obama years have given me some respect for professional politicians of any party. I never realized how difficult it was to do the job right - how to get things accomplished with a fractious congress, and not tick off half the nation in the process.

Obama has added at least one more chapter to PolySci 101 textbooks around the world - what happens when you ignore basic political reality.

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rb59020 wrote:

Huffingto Post

"Former President Jimmy Carter said Monday that if he were back in the White House, he would work with Republicans and Democrats to secure more funding for affordable housing and urge more flexibility in resolving differences involving the critical issue."

"I would work as harmoniously as I could with other members of the Congress, and with both Democrats and Republicans, to figure out how we can face a time of great deficits."

Not exactly from the Obama playbook.

The Tea Party faction in Congress would eat Jimmy Carter alive. Now you know why Carter only served one term.

Carter served only one term because of the economic mess he caused for the American people. His efforts for the disassembly of the American military and those good paying civillian jobs, didn't help his chance for a second term.

IMO....

As soon as Barrack and the Democrats can destroy all means of available funds for the military, by 'purposely creating an atmosphere' for overloading the system with entitlements, their 'end game' can finally be resolved.
(IMO) The difference today here is, the NWO is getting closer to reality.

Is it safe to assume from your response that you are in favor of MORE military spendings at the expense  of social programs?

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Obama has now made Jimmy Carter look good, along with Vladimir Putin. He needs to go into the PR business. He could make some serious money - Disgraced Leader Rehab, Inc.

Carter had his faults, but he was politically astute enough not to antagonize the other side. So was Clinton, so was Reagan, and all faced opposing majorities in congress. They knew what would happen if they angered the opposition by completely disregarding them. I have no sympathy for Obama on the tp situation - he got them elected, so he gets to live with them.

I respect Obama's ideals as well worth living up to, but his bull in the china shop approach to politics has been nothing short of a train wreck. Can't remember when we had a president who so derided the opposing party - even Carter was a gentleman, and understood that he represented all citizens, not just the ones that voted for him.

If nothing else, the Obama years have given me some respect for professional politicians of any party. I never realized how difficult it was to do the job right - how to get things accomplished with a fractious congress, and not tick off half the nation in the process.

Obama has added at least one more chapter to PolySci 101 textbooks around the world - what happens when you ignore basic political reality.

How would you propose to deal with a Party that openly proclaimed its prime goal to "Make Obama a one term president" immediately after his election? GOP has become a Party of NO and did not propose any serious steps to reform healthcare, debt and economy? How would you deal with a Party that seemingly cheering every economic trouble and denying even a chance of the recovery? How would you deal with the Party that is bent on creating one crisis after another and destabilizing economy?

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"How would you deal with a Party that seemingly cheering every economic trouble and denying even a chance of the recovery? How would you deal with the Party that is bent on creating one crisis after another and destabilizing economy?"

Sounds like you're describing the Democrat party when Bush was President.

It's the federal governments job to protect the United States from outside invaders. It's somewhere in that thing called the Constitution.

The New Deal, and Great Society are socialism to the core.

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vadimraskin wrote:

TrapperJohn wrote:

Obama has now made Jimmy Carter look good, along with Vladimir Putin. He needs to go into the PR business. He could make some serious money - Disgraced Leader Rehab, Inc.

Carter had his faults, but he was politically astute enough not to antagonize the other side. So was Clinton, so was Reagan, and all faced opposing majorities in congress. They knew what would happen if they angered the opposition by completely disregarding them. I have no sympathy for Obama on the tp situation - he got them elected, so he gets to live with them.

I respect Obama's ideals as well worth living up to, but his bull in the china shop approach to politics has been nothing short of a train wreck. Can't remember when we had a president who so derided the opposing party - even Carter was a gentleman, and understood that he represented all citizens, not just the ones that voted for him.

If nothing else, the Obama years have given me some respect for professional politicians of any party. I never realized how difficult it was to do the job right - how to get things accomplished with a fractious congress, and not tick off half the nation in the process.

Obama has added at least one more chapter to PolySci 101 textbooks around the world - what happens when you ignore basic political reality.

How would you propose to deal with a Party that openly proclaimed its prime goal to "Make Obama a one term president" immediately after his election? GOP has become a Party of NO and did not propose any serious steps to reform healthcare, debt and economy? How would you deal with a Party that seemingly cheering every economic trouble and denying even a chance of the recovery? How would you deal with the Party that is bent on creating one crisis after another and destabilizing economy?

In fact: if there is a reproach against Obama then it is that he was much too patient with the madhouse right wingers. This hostage taking about the health reform, however, even Obama cannot tolerate any more. He can't give in and he won't give in. The blame is with the right wing zealots, and the GOP will pay an expensive prize for their behaviour.

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As usual you are confuse. For the record, Obama guided us out of the worst recession in over 100 years that was created by GW Bush and fellow Republicans. While accomplishing this he has had to deal with the Tea Party who has now shut the government down twice, caused the our country's credit rating to decline, and block every bipartisan bill they can (such as eliminating rewards for shipping jobs over seas).

Yep, the Tea Party have made quite a name for themselves and are now considered the dumbest people in government. They won't even listen to the private sector anymore...

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wall-street-tea-party-butt-heads-government-shutdown/story?id=20520136

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Before Obummer came to the WH everybody thought Carter was the worst president ever. We all have been proved wrong.

I never thought that President Carter was the worst President ever, and I'm part of everybody.

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"Former President Jimmy Carter said Monday that if he were back in the White House, he would work with Republicans and Democrats to secure more funding for affordable housing and urge more flexibility in resolving differences involving the critical issue."

Do you really think the Tea Party nutters would be a part of that kind of strategy.  They aren't looking for compromise.  They are just out to humiliate the Obama Whitehouse.  Nothing more, nothing less.  Jimmy wasn't a bad old sod but didn't he learn anything from the Iranian thing.  Try to do the right thing by the Republicans and they will steal your wallet while your back is turned.

"I would work as harmoniously as I could with other members of the Congress, and with both Democrats and Republicans, to figure out how we can face a time of great deficits."

They are not the same GOP as in Jimmies day.  Give in to them and they will just find more ways to strangle the government.

Not exactly from the Obama playbook.

Obama is doing exactly the right thing.  You don't negotiate with terrorists.

I never thought I would miss Ronnie Raygun.  He'd be ashamed of the party he led if he saw it today.

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"How would you deal with a Party that seemingly cheering every economic trouble and denying even a chance of the recovery? How would you deal with the Party that is bent on creating one crisis after another and destabilizing economy?"

Sounds like you're describing the Democrat party when Bush was President.

It's the federal governments job to protect the United States from outside invaders. It's somewhere in that thing called the Constitution.

The New Deal, and Great Society are socialism to the core.

If I remember correctly, Dems didn't shut the Government, agreed to the Debt limit increases 19 (!) times during his two terms. In fact, all four Republican leaders that the loudest critics of the "out of control" spending are the same four that agreed to raise the Debt Ceiling from $5.95B at the beginning of Bush terms to $9.815 at the end with NO STRINGS ATTACHED. Now they have become very concerned with Debt all of a sudden and DEMAND cuts. Where were they when Bush combined Debt Increase with tax cuts? I know where: in Congress and voting "Yeah" every time. Bunch of hippocras... (Obama is not much better by the way)

Dems talked a lot and raised their fists in frustration but in the end didn’t stand on the way of the Government operations.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/04/14/158424/republican-leaders-debt-limit-hypocrisy/

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vadimraskin wrote:

rb59020 wrote:

"How would you deal with a Party that seemingly cheering every economic trouble and denying even a chance of the recovery? How would you deal with the Party that is bent on creating one crisis after another and destabilizing economy?"

Sounds like you're describing the Democrat party when Bush was President.

It's the federal governments job to protect the United States from outside invaders.

Green Martians and Mexicans!

It's somewhere in that thing called the Constitution.

The New Deal, and Great Society are socialism to the core.

If I remember correctly, Dems didn't shut the Government, agreed to the Debt limit increases 19 (!) times during his two terms. In fact, all four Republican leaders that the loudest critics of the "out of control" spending are the same four that agreed to raise the Debt Ceiling from $5.95B at the beginning of Bush terms to $9.815 at the end with NO STRINGS ATTACHED. Now they have become very concerned with Debt all of a sudden and DEMAND cuts. Where were they when Bush combined Debt Increase with tax cuts? I know where: in Congress and voting "Yeah" every time. Bunch of hippocras... (Obama is not much better by the way)

Dems talked a lot and raised their fists in frustration but in the end didn’t stand on the way of the Government operations.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/04/14/158424/republican-leaders-debt-limit-hypocrisy/

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"Former President Jimmy Carter said Monday that if he were back in the White House, he would work with Republicans and Democrats to secure more funding for affordable housing and urge more flexibility in resolving differences involving the critical issue."

"I would work as harmoniously as I could with other members of the Congress, and with both Democrats and Republicans, to figure out how we can face a time of great deficits."

Not exactly from the Obama playbook.

Jimmi Carter had the Top Spot..... Notice I said 'had'.
Jimmi did earn that Noble Prize he was rightfully given.

We really can not put full blame on Barrack..... It's the whole Socialist movement being played out worldwide. In their end game, Socialist will not negotiate.

Get use to it.

Exactly (although Obama isn't at all socialist except in the eyes of a national socialist and the whole world is recorded as swinging to the right since Bush made such a mess of things but...), you don't negotiate with terrorists.  The sooner the Tea party Republicans respect democracy and realize they lost government fair and square the better off everyone will be.  Bringing down a struggling economy over sour grapes is just disturbingly pathetic.

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As usual you are confuse. For the record, Obama guided us out of the

worst recession in over 100 years

Really?

that was created by GW Bush and fellow Republicans.

So the recession  was completely due to the Republicans and GW Bush?

A strong argument can be made that the causes were much wider, deeper, and longer in the making than GW Bush.

While accomplishing this he has had to deal with the Tea Party who has now shut the government down twice,

83% of the government  is being funded.

But fortunately, the White house has some discretion as to what gets shut down, like the National Parks, National Monuments.However, the widely reported pro immigration rally was recently allowed to proceed on the Mall of the Nation's Capitol.

caused the our country's credit rating to decline,

The reasons for the decreased rating of 2011  has many factors. The recent shutdown had nothing to do with the 2011 degrading of the U.S. credit rating.

But if one had to summarize  one general reason the downgrade, it would be lack of leadership, both in Congress and in the White House.

and block every bipartisan bill they can (such as eliminating rewards for shipping jobs over seas).

Are you referring to the multiple recently passed House bills  to restore funding  that the Senate Leaders refuse to bring to a vote?

Yep, the Tea Party have made quite a name for themselves and are now considered the dumbest people in government.

There's a lot of competition for that title......

They won't even listen to the private sector anymore...

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wall-street-tea-party-butt-heads-government-shutdown/story?id=20520136

Yes. The smartest people would define stupidity, by how little a politician is influenced by  a part of the the private business sector, and how the media reports on it.

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First off, I do not approve of what the tea party has done. I do understand how they came to be, though. You cannot solve a problem until you first understand the root cause.

The tea party represents a substantial minority of voters. Not half the nation, maybe 1/3 the nation, but that's still a huge bloc of voters. And those suckers vote. They may not do a lot of things right, but they definitely vote.

The tp representatives ran on a 'stop Obama' platform, and got elected, which means a lot of people responded positively to 'stop Obama'. They were elected because a large number of voters felt disenfranchised, that the current government, as in the prez and congress, were acting contrary to their best interests, or ignoring their concerns. That was a direct result of obamacare - it ignored almost half the nation, and it adds to an already enormous deficit.

What I would do is address the concerns of the people who voted for tp candidates, and continue to vote for tp candidates. Were it not for Obama ignoring and continuing to ignore the people voting tp, they'd be gone in two years.

Bill Clinton, when faced with an even worse defeat, losing both house and senate, welcomed the opportunity to work with the repubs to better address the nation's needs.

And Clinton didn't get a tea party intent on stopping him at all costs. His second term with repubs running the house and senate got welfare reform and a sustainable tax cut. (also set in motion the real estate meltdown of 2007, but that's another matter) So who's the smarter person - Obama or Clinton? Not a dem thing - Reagan faced the same situation with his long wars with Tip O'Neill, and he handled the situation with far more grace than Obama could.

Blaming the tp'ers for opposing Obama is like blaming the sun for coming up in the morning. They are doing what they were elected to do, and got re-elected to do. Calling them idiots doesn't help. Some of them may be idiots, but they vote.

To solve that problem, get people to stop voting tp, by addressing the reasons why they are voting that way. You don't have to kowtow to them, but you do have to understand their concerns, and make some compromises to keep them from going all radical in the voting booth.

The root cause of the current mess is an inexperienced president who has not addressed the concerns of the people voting tp. In fact, he has either ignored or insulted those people, which doesn't moderate their attitude in the voting booth. Obama makes mistakes that are redlined in political science 101 textbooks.

And that's fine, if you're a community organizer. When you're president and you screw up out of inexperience, bad things happen to a lot of people. Sad to say, the tp mess won't be cleaned up until we get a president who isn't quite so polarizing.

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