EM-1 versus the Canon 5D Mark III

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EM-1 versus the Canon 5D Mark III
Oct 8, 2013

A while back I asked myself the question if I could get rid of my Canon 5D Mark III once I got the Olympus OM-D EM1. I've now had the Olympus for about 10 days and I'm answering my own question on my blog: www.photographicwanderings.com.

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Good little write up. The thing that keeps me away from m4/3 is every time I see a write up, the author always has the caveat that, "this (fill in the blank) shortcoming doesn't bother me due to what I shoot". Unfortunately, the author never seems to shoot what I shoot. I shoot moving objects, close, in low light often, and I do like shallow dof. All of these are never what anyone that owns an m4/3 and has a blog ever shoots. You get street, landscapes and sleeping turtles in perfect light.

I really like the size, weight and feature set though and wish there wasn't always a limiting caveat. It looks like a great camera, just wish it was a great camera for me.

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I've come to look at it this way. As a former wedding photographer/portrait photographer, you need to first determine WHAT you are planning to do with a given file. Are you going to need to crop heavily? Are you going to do a huge print?, Is having the ultimate flash control important in that work? What about workflow? Is file management an issue (size). I had more pro and semi pro DSLR bodies from both Canon and Nikon than I'd care to remember. I FINALLY abandoned them all for the Olympus system when the OMD-EM5 came out. I no longer needed huge files, ultra large prints beyond 22x17 which I do at home, prefer the nice manageable file sizes, find the resolution in print or on screen is more than enough to make it happen. I'm not noting any loss in resolution in the sizes of prints I'm working with. When out and about and especially travel I do NOT miss the DSLR bodies one bit. Operational speeds are just fine as well. So indeed you have to decide not so much on what the compromises are(as there are few in my opinion) but unless you're a sports photographer or fine art photographer in low light the OMD series should more than meet your needs. NO camera does it all, but thankfully the OMD's do most of it quite nicely. indeed.

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Great article.

I personally have been wrestling with the idea of what I want to do....I absolutely love my m4/3 gear, but I also shoot sports...baseball in particular...a great deal, and I'm not so sure the new hybrid focus on the EM-1 is quite "there" yet that it could replace my D7100 as a primary body.

Having one, what are your thoughts?

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sdribetahi wrote:

Good little write up. The thing that keeps me away from m4/3 is every time I see a write up, the author always has the caveat that, "this (fill in the blank) shortcoming doesn't bother me due to what I shoot". Unfortunately, the author never seems to shoot what I shoot. I shoot moving objects, close, in low light often, and I do like shallow dof. All of these are never what anyone that owns an m4/3 and has a blog ever shoots. You get street, landscapes and sleeping turtles in perfect light.

I really like the size, weight and feature set though and wish there wasn't always a limiting caveat. It looks like a great camera, just wish it was a great camera for me.

I normally post in the Oly SLR forum, but I'm seriously considering the EM-1 and been looking here as well.

I don't think anyone expects a 4/3 or other smaller sensor cameras to compete with full frame. The caveat with the Canon is size and weight. I prefer a lighter kit that I actually take with me over a 5 kg rig that needs a backpack and stays home to prevent my neck and shoulder aching.

Life is a compromise and better is the enemy of good enough... The fact that the EM-1 and FF can be mentioned in the same post is a tribute I think to how far advanced the EM-1 is.

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Good post and a fair-minded conclusion.

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The last system I gave up was a Nikon D7000, 24-70 f2.8, 70-300VR, 14-24 f2.8 and 50mm f1.4. The last vacation I took I was tons lighter and had a LOT more fun shooting, having come away with a superb result. So no....I have NOT missed the bulk nor missed performance.

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sdribetahi wrote:

I shoot moving objects, close, in low light often, and I do like shallow dof.

You shoot mice with nice bokeh in the dark?  Wow, well it's nice to know for everything else a m43 can get you as good or better results given your level of photo skills.

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jimoyer wrote:

Great article.

I personally have been wrestling with the idea of what I want to do....I absolutely love my m4/3 gear, but I also shoot sports...baseball in particular...a great deal, and I'm not so sure the new hybrid focus on the EM-1 is quite "there" yet that it could replace my D7100 as a primary body.

Having one, what are your thoughts?

Good question.  With a good telephoto zoom like the upcoming 40-150 f2.8, it could do almost as well on the AF, but whether it will be good enough is up to better sports photographers than me.  My goal for fast AF is BIF, birds in flight and butterflies in flight.

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My two must-buy cameras if I ever win the lottery.  The E-M1 for stills, and the 5d MK III for video.

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Landscapephoto99 wrote:

sdribetahi wrote:

I shoot moving objects, close, in low light often, and I do like shallow dof.

You shoot mice with nice bokeh in the dark? Wow, well it's nice to know for everything else a m43 can get you as good or better results given your level of photo skills.

Yes, good results can be had by pretty much any camera made in 2013. Not sure how excited I'd be that it can take a good photo in still objects in great light with everything to infinity in focus. Like bragging that your cars breaks work really well on a flat driveway when parked. Probably just as well as ceramic breaks on a Ferrari!

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sdribetahi wrote:

Landscapephoto99 wrote:

sdribetahi wrote:

I shoot moving objects, close, in low light often, and I do like shallow dof.

You shoot mice with nice bokeh in the dark? Wow, well it's nice to know for everything else a m43 can get you as good or better results given your level of photo skills.

Yes, good results can be had by pretty much any camera made in 2013. Not sure how excited I'd be that it can take a good photo in still objects in great light with everything to infinity in focus. Like bragging that your cars breaks work really well on a flat driveway when parked. Probably just as well as ceramic breaks on a Ferrari!

No, more like a off road vehicle that can do mountains and sand dunes and rivers compared to a sports car that can speed on straight away but not much else.  m43 is excellent in any type of climate, can take photos with great bokeh shallow DoF, best for macros, better for most low light photos than almost any other system given IBIS and 0.95 lenses, very good AF now, and a sensor that is certainly equal to the best APS-C sensors....but yes you are right, you will not have as many keepers when taking photos of speeding mice in the dark.  I stand corrected.

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n3eg wrote:

My two must-buy cameras if I ever win the lottery. The E-M1 for stills, and the 5d MK III for video.

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Really?

I'll go with the Leica S2-P for stills and an assistant to carry it.

And nothing for video.

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that the EM1 didn't trounce the 5d mk3 in every category. Must be something wrong with your testing or something is wrong with your EM1 and all of your mFT lenses.

Please buy another EM1 and all of the "pro" grade mFT lenses and retest.

You failed to mentioned that the Canon gear are huge and heavy and has shortened your life by decades. Please make sure to mention this when you have retested and concluded that the EM1 is vastly superior.

Thank you kindly

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sdribetahi wrote:

The thing that keeps me away from m4/3 is every time I see a write up, the author always has the caveat that, "this (fill in the blank) shortcoming doesn't bother me due to what I shoot".

The same is often said about FF and APS-C DSLRs and any other type of camera since no camera is the "best" for everything. Here are just 3 examples:

This bulky, heavy FF gear doesn't bother me because I usually just throw it all in the car, drive somewhere, and don't wander too far from the car when I arrive.

or

This bulky, heavy FF gear doesn't bother me because I usually use it in a studio.

or

This bulky, heavy FF gear doesn't bother me because I mostly just fondle it -- I hate taking photos.

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sdribetahi wrote:

Good little write up. The thing that keeps me away from m4/3 is every time I see a write up, the author always has the caveat that, "this (fill in the blank) shortcoming doesn't bother me due to what I shoot". Unfortunately, the author never seems to shoot what I shoot. I shoot moving objects, close, in low light often, and I do like shallow dof. All of these are never what anyone that owns an m4/3 and has a blog ever shoots. You get street, landscapes and sleeping turtles in perfect light.

I really like the size, weight and feature set though and wish there wasn't always a limiting caveat. It looks like a great camera, just wish it was a great camera for me.

Not a blog, but I am also looking at the E-M1 as a camera for shooting fast lenses indoor with subjects moving (mostly towards me) at ranges below 4 meters. Still waiting for preorders to arrive, but I went to three Olympus events and just today tested AF-C + 45/1.8 in several different ways.

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Your thoughtful logic and sensibility is not welcome here.... More complaints on shutter shock required!

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A while back I asked myself the question if I could get rid of my Canon 5D Mark III once I got the Olympus OM-D EM1. I've now had the Olympus for about 10 days and I'm answering my own question on my blog: www.photographicwanderings.com.

Comments welcome, esp. on my blog. It needs some love.

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About 30 years ago I read an article similarly comparing a Hasselblad 500C to a Nikon F2A. Comparing resolution of the respective formats (2 1/4 & 35mm) was pretty sophomoric then. I hate to sound dour, but this article is no different. No one buys m4/3 with the idea that it will give bettet IQ than a current FF dslr. At least no one who understands the basics of digital photography.
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I don't own EM1 but I had owned Canon 5DM3 and an array of L lenses and shot over 15,000 shots with 5DM3.   It is a remarkable camera in terms of image quality and predictable results.   I also find the Canon Lenses remarkable and the fastest focusing lenses around.    I ultimately switched from Canon to Nikon due to the fact the ergonomics of Nikon feel more natural to me than Canon's (after years with Canon I still have to think which button to press for what, with Nikon it just all seems logically placed to me).

I also own both Fuji X and m43 gear and enjoy using it, but I won't get rid of my Full Frame DSLR gear anytime soon.     Well, unless the new Sony Full Frame Mirrorless all of the sudden finds way to have instant and reliable autofocus and features a lineup of small bright lenses.

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CharlesB58 wrote:

A while back I asked myself the question if I could get rid of my Canon 5D Mark III once I got the Olympus OM-D EM1. I've now had the Olympus for about 10 days and I'm answering my own question on my blog: www.photographicwanderings.com.

Comments welcome, esp. on my blog. It needs some love.

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About 30 years ago I read an article similarly comparing a Hasselblad 500C to a Nikon F2A. Comparing resolution of the respective formats (2 1/4 & 35mm) was pretty sophomoric then. I hate to sound dour, but this article is no different. No one buys m4/3 with the idea that it will give bettet IQ than a current FF dslr. At least no one who understands the basics of digital photography.
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This is true.

The real question should be "how good does IQ need to be for your uses?"

There is still the belief that more MP is automatically 'better'.

Take the front page of National Geographic. At that size, 12Mp would be more than sufficient (heck, 8 probably would) and even if you had a 16 bit file from a 36Mp camera, the print process used won't be capable of reproducing it.

Almost any editorial photographer can be happy with 12-16Mp. Buying, storing and processing Mp you do not need benefits only (a) your GAS and (b) camera makers.

Properly identifying 'good enough' is the key.

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