And you thought Pentax lenses were expensive

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steephill
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And you thought Pentax lenses were expensive
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New Zeiss 55mma snip at only $4,000/€3,000 plus taxes. Don't all rush at once

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I just think "Zeiss" thinks a name justifies a high price. I can't understand how ANYONE would pay $4,000 for a MANUAL FOCUS F1.4 55mm FF lens, PERIOD. I know lenses for medium format cameras can run in that price range, but then we're in an entirely different "ball park," aren't we.

I guess there are some pros (and probably more than a few too-wealthy FF shooters who "just have to have everything") who will buy that lens. But I really can't see it. Optical quality can get "only so good." You'd have to really prove something ASTOUNDING to me to convince me such a lens is worth such a price.

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May well be worth it if it is optically sound across the frame at f/1.4

Pricing is always subjective, what is seriously overpriced for one person may seem like good value if it delivers what another person needs. Zeiss seem confident that this will be an optical standout, if its the best in its class why not charge a premium? 

And its only direct competitor is the DA* 55 f/1.4, perhaps a comparison can be done on one the four thirds cameras. Would be interesting to see if it is worth 4 times the DA*, very doubtful but it is possible.

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I think I will order 2 just in case one fails

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I think this is Zeiss saying not only can we make lenses that stand up well when compared with Leica glass optically, we can even price them like Leica does...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/332585-USA/Leica_11891_50mm_f_1_4_Summilux_M.html

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digital version, i figure.

i figure it is premature to buy two lenses in case one is bad...  if the focus motor fails just switch to your other hand.  i admit, i am not as dexterous with my backup drive motor.  but to save a few thousand dollars...  might be worth a try.

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KL Matt wrote:

I think this is Zeiss saying not only can we make lenses that stand up well when compared with Leica glass optically, we can even price them like Leica does...

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/332585-USA/Leica_11891_50mm_f_1_4_Summilux_M.html

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Yeah. And that's annudder one there ain't no of! I continue to fail to understand what the big deal is about Leica products! They come out with new cameras that don't have a look or feel half as good as the competition; nor the specs -- and they're $3,000 or more! What gives? And how do they get $4,000 for that lens? I see some of those newer Leica cameras that are still practically MANUAL cameras going for $3,000 and I'm like... WHAT GIVES???

Do Leica shooters use some kind of special hallucinogenic drugs the rest of us need to learn about, so we can ALL enjoy their special version of reality, or what???

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Considering the hood and that many glass-air surfaces i doubt it does well for flare and transmission, plus a 77mm filter thread, Ok so my Sigma has a 77mm filter thread but Pentax can produce a 50mm F1.4 with a 49mm filter thread so what gives? I'm sure it will be good in many ways but there is no justifying that price unless it gives better than perfect macro performance at F1.4 and gets better from there as you stop down

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I bought a K5, not a P&S

I bought Pentax, Tamron, Sigma and Holga(!) lenses. Could not afford Zeiss, Leica or Schneider Kreuznach.

But I confess, I would love to have one or two.

So why worry about the price? Isn't nice that these products exist? Something to stretch for. Like a Ferrari, an IWC watch, a 56" TV, a Leica S, a bottle of Black Bowmore, a night at the club with the swedish bikini team, ...

So many dreams, so little money

Have a nice day

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fotobert wrote:

Like a Ferrari, an IWC watch, a 56" TV, a Leica S, a bottle of Black Bowmore, a night at the club with the swedish bikini team, ...

Sweden has a bikini team? Rock on steady, fella!

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In reply to JeffAHayes, 11 months ago

What gives? And how do they get $4,000 for that lens? I see some of those newer Leica cameras that are still practically MANUAL cameras going for $3,000 and I'm like...WHAT GIVES???

There is currently no rangefinder that competes with the Leica M series regarding precision, quality and features at any price. The same can be said for many of their fixed focal length lenses.

And... could it be that you don't understand what using a rangefinder is all about?

Here's a brief rundown: focus goes where you put it via means of an intuitive, mechanical interface that becomes an extension of you: a very smooth, precise ring you dial in to exactly where you want it. Not an electronic brain putting focus where it thinks you want it, not fumbling for tiny buttons on a control pad you can't look at while composing to select the point you want, no awkward focus and recompose.

You get to see what's just outside the frame as well as what's in the frame.

Bright viewfinder.

Mirorless by design, smaller wide-angle lenses.

All the advantages of modern mirorless designs, none of the drawbacks of 1. EVFs or 2. LCD screens

Focus works well in low light.

Great, discrete cameras for street photography.

Surely, there are disadvantages as well and rangefinders are not for everyone. But just because they're not for you does not mean they are somehow stupid or unfathomable. It just means you lack insight.

Here is some further reading for you:

http://www.photoethnography.com/ClassicCameras/focusing.html

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Matt

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Hi,

This is an expensive lens, but there's good reason, this lens is designed to have practically no faults and is a true aprochromatic design, it's probably the one of the best lenses ever made and is apparently tack sharp from F1.4 across the frame, OOF green/red fringing is non-existent.

I would love to see a full review of this lens. Is it worth the money?  Definitely!  If you're a pro working often in studios and doing seriously demanding work printing  50X30 cms  and you want the best, this is it! this lens is the closest to perfection that you can get and is a lens for life and knocks spots off Leica equivalents (which are after all standard but refined designs ) for a similar price.

Tap Zeiss 55mm 1.4 on you tube to watch the video.

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http://diglloyd.com/articles/ZeissZ/ZeissZ-Otus-55f1_4.html

For dreaming...

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A 50mm lens that weighs a kilogram?  It seems to me that size and weight are compromises.  As a landscape enthusiast, I can think of more practical lenses for the field. There won't be too many of these going to the Himalayas....... I would also predict that it won't handle flare and harsh backlight all that well.   I'll stick to my FA50/2.8 thanks.  If I was Canon shooter I could buy both the 24mm and 45mm TS lenses for the same money and never look back.

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http://diglloyd.com/articles/ZeissZ/ZeissZ-Otus-55f1_4.html

Seems to handle the back lit situation pretty well. Just no ZK version in the pipeline

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JL Salvignol wrote:

http://diglloyd.com/articles/ZeissZ/ZeissZ-Otus-55f1_4.html

For dreaming...

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This non-technical review and the photos confirm my hopes. Worries about flare,sharpness fully open,distortion,contrast etc....none whatsoever.

Simply the best lens ever made designed for serious photographers!

Is it worth the price tag? Yes, probably the best value lens you can buy.

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Thanks Col.  A beautiful shot.  Happy to be wrong - I stand educated, and full marks to Zeiss for flare control..........  Unless that's the moon  :-).

I guess it's been my experience that relatively few fast lenses handle an included sun and other point sources that well.  Pentax's 15mm Ltd is well known for it, but my FA 50/1.4 simply isn't in the race, and my faster Nikkors of yesteryear were much the same.

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