Cancelled my E-M1 order

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dahod
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Cancelled my E-M1 order
Sep 26, 2013

I got caught up in the hype around the E-M1 - what wasn't to like? - generally favourable reviews, new lenses on the horizon, ability to use my old 4/3 lenses, commitment to m4/3 by Olympus as its future etc etc. At last - Olympus breaks their silence and the world is good.

I read the interview with Mr. Terada (http://www.bestmirrorlesscamerareviews.com/2013/09/18/the-om-d-e-m1-new-pro-lenses-and-2014-an-interview-with-olympus-europe/) however, and it left me with a less than warm and fuzzy feeling. I could be reading it wrong and I apologize if I am but my take from it was

  1. 4/3 was a failure because it didn't result in measurably smaller camera/lens combinations - M4/3 will correct that.
  2. His target market is the "young generation with a focus on young females"
  3. He can't figure out how to attract European women buyers but he has a couple of thoughts.
  4. M4/3 can almost beat APS-C on image quality but wins on portability ("their lenses are so much bigger than ours")

Right off the bat, I'm at a disadvantage because I'm certainly neither young nor female. I'm also okay that my E-3 and 50-200 is a big piece of gear - it takes good pictures.

This new Olympus has clearly targeted the "grab your gear and go" market. I'm not saying it won't take good pictures because it will as we've clearly seen. What I am saying though is that the Olympus commitment is now on small, portable and discrete - that's not necessarily my world.

You can say "so what? - the proof is in the pictures". That's true and the pictures are impressive but in order to keep the size down the lenses are all software corrected. There will be no big optically correct lens for this camera - the "Pro" line is it. According to Mr. Terada they "promise to establish the MFT lens line-up at the quality of the current PRO line-up". That's interesting since the 12-40 performance seems to be at or slightly above the 4/3 HG 12-60 level (albeit at constant aperture).

I think I'll wait and see how this unfolds. In the meantime I'll take Art_P's advice and look for an E-5. I want the fine focus that Olympus for some unknown reason took off my E-3 

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Dave

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In reply to dahod, Sep 26, 2013

That's one less buyer in the waiting list in front of me. Thanks for that

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goblin wrote:

That's one less buyer in the waiting list in front of me. Thanks for that

Two less buyers. I canceled my order of camera and lens at Amazon. Got caught up in the hipe but now I seen no reason to replace my M-5. List is getting shorter for you.--

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Sounds like you headed off a case of Buyer's Remorse
In reply to dahod, Sep 26, 2013

But, I suspect you would have really liked that E-M1 - even if it seemed like an impulse purchase.

But, bottom line - you shouldn't make such a purchase unless you really, really want to - otherwise you will always be second guessing your decision.

Before purchasing the E-5, I'd recommend a cooling off period and some more E-M1 research (hopefully including some hands on).

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In reply to dahod, Sep 26, 2013

Well, I have the opposite concern.  m4/3 getting bigger / heavier.  I didn't order the E-M1, because I switched to the E-P1 a few years ago from the E-30, specifically for the size / weight.  Now there's nothing wrong in having a heavier, pro camera and lens in the line up.  But I don't think m4/3 will win on size alone (except for tele lenses, where there always has been a clear advantage, even in 4/3).  Just look at NEX, and as well as Fuji.  I bet the NEX FF will be impressive size wise.  Heck, look at 35mm OM stuff.

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In reply to dahod, Sep 26, 2013

dahod wrote:

That's true and the pictures are impressive but in order to keep the size down the lenses are all software corrected.

not all... O75/1.8 or PL45/2.8 are good w/o that, you can take raws to a raw converter like RT or RPP w/o hidden corrections and witness...

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Laszlo13 wrote:

Well, I have the opposite concern. m4/3 getting bigger / heavier.

and that is good... an ideal mirrorless workhorse shall be like E-5 sizewise, GH3 is still too small... as soon as your camera is not a pocketable soapbox anymore there is no need to save few millimiters here and there and make ergonomics worse... and those who need tiny cameras they have pen line, gx line, e-m5 line (and future line below e-m5), gf line, etc... but no, they feel obliged to come and try to take away a normal sized mirorrless bodies from us.

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In reply to dahod, Sep 27, 2013

dahod wrote:

You can say "so what? - the proof is in the pictures". That's true and the pictures are impressive but in order to keep the size down the lenses are all software corrected. There will be no big optically correct lens for this camera - the "Pro" line is it. According to Mr. Terada they "promise to establish the MFT lens line-up at the quality of the current PRO line-up".

I think I'll wait and see how this unfolds. In the meantime I'll take Art_P's advice and look for an E-5. I want the fine focus that Olympus for some unknown reason took off my E-3

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Dave

The in-camera corrections have me wondering about the "Pro" line of glass. This is the route Panasonic went. But since it doesn't sound like Olympus is dropping the HG & SHG glass, this may be a moot point.

I'd like to see what a E-M10 (say, something like the e30) would look like and whether Olympus will continue to offer the e5. Right now Olympus USA still has the e5 listed and I haven't seen any offered as "factory demo".

There's no good reason for rushing into anything yet as far as I can see...

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In reply to dahod, Sep 27, 2013

Does it matter what the head man says about his target audience? If the glove fits, use it. I'm not young nor am u female but I got the em5 for a reason and now the em1 for an even better reason.
Not all lenses re bad or need software correction for obvious flaws. Even 43rd lenses need correction. I don't think you can use that as sole judgement to pass off m43. Some need obvious correction but not all.

The e5 is a great camera but it simply cannot compete with today's sensors and, sadly, with our growing expectations on image quality in more demanding circumstances. I wish I kept mine in a way, but that will be appeased with the better focusing of the 43rd lenses on the em1.
Which ever way you go, enjoy it and use the tools available at the time. :).

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In reply to dahod, Sep 27, 2013

"Cancelled" mine as well, mentally, though - in the beginning I liked it and I was ready to buy it. Then Olympus put the price at $1399 body only. $1399 body only? Yes I have 4/3 lens, yes I like EM1, yes it take pretty good pictures, but with a 4/3 lens attached, EM1 is no longer that small a package any more. EM1+12-40+40-150? At $1399 body only, it's a lot of money! Why don't people look into Canon 6D and similar, and build up the "real" system slowly?

EM1 should have been priced no more than $1199 body only to have a real price advantage against 6D and similar.

If Olympus releases a poor-man's version of EM1 quickly for around half the price, I will stay with them. Otherwise they'll most likely not get my future business. If I get a fat bonus soon, maybe EM1 is still possible. For another while.

dahod wrote:

I got caught up in the hype around the E-M1 - what wasn't to like? - generally favourable reviews, new lenses on the horizon, ability to use my old 4/3 lenses, commitment to m4/3 by Olympus as its future etc etc. At last - Olympus breaks their silence and the world is good.

I read the interview with Mr. Terada (http://www.bestmirrorlesscamerareviews.com/2013/09/18/the-om-d-e-m1-new-pro-lenses-and-2014-an-interview-with-olympus-europe/) however, and it left me with a less than warm and fuzzy feeling. I could be reading it wrong and I apologize if I am but my take from it was

  1. 4/3 was a failure because it didn't result in measurably smaller camera/lens combinations - M4/3 will correct that.
  2. His target market is the "young generation with a focus on young females"
  3. He can't figure out how to attract European women buyers but he has a couple of thoughts.
  4. M4/3 can almost beat APS-C on image quality but wins on portability ("their lenses are so much bigger than ours")

Right off the bat, I'm at a disadvantage because I'm certainly neither young nor female. I'm also okay that my E-3 and 50-200 is a big piece of gear - it takes good pictures.

This new Olympus has clearly targeted the "grab your gear and go" market. I'm not saying it won't take good pictures because it will as we've clearly seen. What I am saying though is that the Olympus commitment is now on small, portable and discrete - that's not necessarily my world.

You can say "so what? - the proof is in the pictures". That's true and the pictures are impressive but in order to keep the size down the lenses are all software corrected. There will be no big optically correct lens for this camera - the "Pro" line is it. According to Mr. Terada they "promise to establish the MFT lens line-up at the quality of the current PRO line-up". That's interesting since the 12-40 performance seems to be at or slightly above the 4/3 HG 12-60 level (albeit at constant aperture).

I think I'll wait and see how this unfolds. In the meantime I'll take Art_P's advice and look for an E-5. I want the fine focus that Olympus for some unknown reason took off my E-3

Thanks

Dave

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One step closer to the front of the line for me too...

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Yep-less than impressive interview
In reply to dahod, Sep 27, 2013

I was pretty disappointed with what Teradasan said in the interview. Priorities looked way off to me. Instead of talking about wanting to ensure the best IQ and AF/CAF they can possibly attain with m43, he's speaking about wanting to increase the percentage of young female purchasers!

Ah, excuse me--sumimasen Teradasan, more and more me thinks I will be sitting this one out and continue to enjoy the E5.

Next iteration? Hopefully better battery life-dual card slots-and decent to very good CAF.

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dharma108 wrote:

I was pretty disappointed with what Teradasan said in the interview. Priorities looked way off to me. Instead of talking about wanting to ensure the best IQ and AF/CAF they can possibly attain with m43, he's speaking about wanting to increase the percentage of young female purchasers!

Ah, excuse me--sumimasen Teradasan, more and more me thinks I will be sitting this one out and continue to enjoy the E5.

Next iteration? Hopefully better battery life-dual card slots-and decent to very good CAF.

Not going to happen in the next iteration either. Olympus has clearly decided to go amateur all the way. No more pro system wanabe...  just sell decent cameras and lenses to the masses from now on and forget trying to compete with Canikon  and FF

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In reply to dahod, Sep 27, 2013

Big mistake in my opinion.  Negligible difference in IQ, slightly more MP and highlight headroom and that is really about all.  When I "upgraded" from the E-3, I thought it was a big improvement, but comparing it to what is available now (even to m43) the E-5 IQ is "just ok".

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In reply to dahod, Sep 27, 2013

You probably would have kept tour preorder if the interview was conducted in Japanese then translated.

If this is your criteria for buying photographic equipment, I wonder how you choose what car to buy.

The em1 or e5 would be the most logical choice for you if you need something other than an e3. If you want better than pro lenses, buy 43rds glass and use a body with phase detect.

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dahod wrote:

I got caught up in the hype around the E-M1 - what wasn't to like? - generally favourable reviews, new lenses on the horizon, ability to use my old 4/3 lenses, commitment to m4/3 by Olympus as its future etc etc. At last - Olympus breaks their silence and the world is good.

I read the interview with Mr. Terada (http://www.bestmirrorlesscamerareviews.com/2013/09/18/the-om-d-e-m1-new-pro-lenses-and-2014-an-interview-with-olympus-europe/) however, and it left me with a less than warm and fuzzy feeling. I could be reading it wrong and I apologize if I am but my take from it was

  1. 4/3 was a failure because it didn't result in measurably smaller camera/lens combinations - M4/3 will correct that.
  2. His target market is the "young generation with a focus on young females"
  3. He can't figure out how to attract European women buyers but he has a couple of thoughts.
  4. M4/3 can almost beat APS-C on image quality but wins on portability ("their lenses are so much bigger than ours")

Right off the bat, I'm at a disadvantage because I'm certainly neither young nor female. I'm also okay that my E-3 and 50-200 is a big piece of gear - it takes good pictures.

This new Olympus has clearly targeted the "grab your gear and go" market. I'm not saying it won't take good pictures because it will as we've clearly seen. What I am saying though is that the Olympus commitment is now on small, portable and discrete - that's not necessarily my world.

You can say "so what? - the proof is in the pictures". That's true and the pictures are impressive but in order to keep the size down the lenses are all software corrected. There will be no big optically correct lens for this camera - the "Pro" line is it. According to Mr. Terada they "promise to establish the MFT lens line-up at the quality of the current PRO line-up". That's interesting since the 12-40 performance seems to be at or slightly above the 4/3 HG 12-60 level (albeit at constant aperture).

I think I'll wait and see how this unfolds. In the meantime I'll take Art_P's advice and look for an E-5. I want the fine focus that Olympus for some unknown reason took off my E-3

Thanks

Dave

You based your decision on an interview.  Well that is your choice.

Nothing beats the real deal, running the camera through its paces in your own hands or in the hands of many others, people you trust.

I am not ordering an EM-1 at this time for that very reason, not because of an interview.

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mapgraphs wrote:

I'd like to see what a E-M10 (say, something like the e30) would look like and whether Olympus will continue to offer the e5. Right now Olympus USA still has the e5 listed and I haven't seen any offered as "factory demo".

Also listed as "Out of Stock".

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GBC wrote:

You probably would have kept tour preorder if the interview was conducted in Japanese then translated.

How do you think the interview would have differed if it had been conducted in Japanese?

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In reply to dahod, Sep 27, 2013

I'm pretty sure the camera will still be available 6 months down the road.   Also a year from now, and probably cheaper by then too.

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In reply to windsprite, Sep 27, 2013

I just get the feeling that he failed to verbalize his thinking as eloquently as he could have if speaking Japanese.

If you really understood how he felt, instead of reading into what he said over dinner in a second language and paraphrased for a blog, it would no longer be an excuse to cancel a preorder and post here about it.

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