Pentax K3 rumor from the plant... shhh...

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fakuryu wrote:

Roland Karlsson wrote:

fakuryu wrote:

So far, our local insider gave us a teaser of what could be a possible production ready K3

-It has 20 mega pixels with the IQ of the 645D, did not mention sensor size but was told it was more on the programming to get that IQ

Moving sensor perhaps and stacking in software?

I'd guess that you're on the right track. Since the 645D is approx. 40Mpx, it certainly sounds like this is some trick that effectively doubles sensor resolution. Hasselblad have a system that moves the sensor precisely to achieve 4x resolution in unmoving subjects -- I'm guessing the Ricoh/Pentax approach would be a bit like in-camera HDR, geared more for increased resolution than dynamic range.

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I'd guess that you're on the right track. Since the 645D is approx. 40Mpx, it certainly sounds like this is some trick that effectively doubles sensor resolution. Hasselblad have a system that moves the sensor precisely to achieve 4x resolution in unmoving subjects -- I'm guessing the Ricoh/Pentax approach would be a bit like in-camera HDR, geared more for increased resolution than dynamic range.

This is of course technically possible. But ... it is a quite wild guess, based on a very unreliable rumour.

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In reply to dwm2020, 7 months ago

Yeah, looks like a complete failure to me.

Don't know about others, but I love the K-01. Great IQ, simple easy menu, feature packed, and yes a well built, great looking camera.

Nice Shots.

I love my k-01, but it's AF is really just too slow for my needs. Otherwise, it really is a great camera.

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- The K-3 will be announced near end October.
- 20MP APS-C sensor, possibly made by Sony.
- AA filter less.
- 100% viewfinder at 1.0X.
- Black body marketed first, followed by Silver colour later, first marketed at around 120,000 Japanese Yens (i.e., US$1200) for the body-only price, no kit.

And then also another rumour from yet another poster for additional information:

- New camera (K-3) will be on show at Salon de la Photo at Paris from 7 to 11 November at Paris.
- New DA 18-70 F2.8 lens will be announced together.

Rice High rumors

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Re: sooner or later
In reply to janneman02, 7 months ago

That's what I was thinking as well.  It's not FF that would tempt me to jump ship...it would be a clearly superior D300 or 7D APS-C, while Pentax doesn't have an answer.  I doubt that'll happen, though.

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Rice High rumors

Yeah, he's quite negative about it.

No AA filter and 20MP sensor. And maybe something unique file processing wise (remember another rumor that something BIG is coming?)

How the 20MP performs so far? And is there any other than Sony 20MP sensors on the market?

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ogl wrote:

Rice High rumors

Yeah, he's quite negative about it.

No AA filter and 20MP sensor. And maybe something unique file processing wise (remember another rumor that something BIG is coming?)

How the 20MP performs so far? And is there any other than Sony 20MP sensors on the market?

I believe the new Sony A3000 has a 20.1 MP sensor. Unsure if this will be the same, but one would think that Pentax/Ricoh in their own usual way will tweak as much stills photo quality into it as technologically possible.

Couple that with the 'totally unsubstantiated' possibility they have found some processing way of upgrading the IQ, then I would say they have looked for the optimum sensor performance and will have chosen a '20' for a reason.

As for ........he, who me we do not speak of........(RH) is almost seemingly bi-polar in his viewpoints, on the one hand giving some splendid technical advice, before stupidly negative rants about impending doom of Pentax. Why do people do this ? it's crazy and clearly obvious that a company such as Ricoh has taken over the Pentax brand;

-stated clearly their objectives,

-from the position we all know they were in,

-knowing the timeline required to develop and manufacture new products,

-taking a different and tighter method of information release,

-having to take a serious look at the market direction with all the right sales and profit info,

-knowing who they're up against and what area's NOT to bother competing in,

-amalgamate two sets of engineers and manufacturing systems,

-sell existing products and stocks at such prices to empty the shelves and obtain some R&D funds,

-use clever marketing tools to slowly and surely scrape back some more total market share and enhanced profitability, such as .......weather sealing and sorry but yes colours !!!! (it works, there is actually millions of non tech gear head geek forumites out there who just want a cool looking camera that takes photo's without wars on phase detect AF, megapixels, gigawags, thingymajigs etc !!!)

-stick with a proven formula and market niche that both Pentax and Ricoh shared, plus a history, which is stills photo, quality ergonomic designed and quality built cameras.

-find areas where technology will enhance the photographic enjoyment of their core users, such as better quality lens coatings, enhanced sensor and processing performance and let things like video, wifi, touch screen,.....coffee making and sat nav systems take their course by implementing them slowly and cost effectively later on!!!!

-Perhaps also, maybe, they have a whole batch of new K3's or whatever it's being called actually ready to ship this time not long after launch.........

I think time and patience will reveal a far rosier picture 

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Re: Pentax K3 rumor from the plant... shhh...
In reply to audiobomber, 7 months ago

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You've spent over $5000, and you don't have a kit that would meet my needs, i.e. no fisheye, macro or long tele lens. In a few years you'll want to update the body and you'll be shopping in the $2500+ range, where I will probably spend $1000 for a fully featured APS-C.

Yes, your kit is great, but it costs considerably more than a Pentax kit, so it should be great. APS-C is the sweet spot for me, in size, price and crop factor.

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Could you build the equivalent kit with Pentax + macro + fish eye + long tele for $5k??? The 560mm alone is over 5 grand and even on this forum has received a very lukewarm response at best. Not possible, if it was, I would have bought it! I loved the K5 ergonomics and thought it was the perfect compromise of size and build quality but lens prices are off the charts nowadays and I don't agree you could get an equivalent Pentax kit for $5k with 4 lenses.  Not even close unfortunately.  I also shoot Olympus and wish that Olympus would have bought out Pentax instead of Ricoh - an EM5 / K5 hybrid with Olympus's stabilization & lens technology and Pentax's ergonomics and sensor performance would be unbeatable in my opinion.  Try shooting with an EM5 and a 45mm F1.8 wide open and you'll see what I mean...

There are countless posts on this forum from people asking for the same reasonable things over and over again from Pentax/Richoh - AF speed, C-AF/tracking AF that is useable, tele-converter, SDM type lenses that aren't so slow and with a warranty that matches the ever sky-rocketing prices, more attention to video improvements, flash units/cameras that actually expose consistently, remote flash control in-body etc etc but Pentax seems to think they're better off leading on their loyalists into a constant upgrade cycle every year???

Also, don't forget that a 4 or 5 year old Nikon D700 holds it's value extremely well - I've taken a bath on every Pentax body I've bought brand new and sold 1 - 2 years later.  I paid $1400 for my K5 and I had a hard time selling it for $500 1.5 years later for a $900 dollar depreciation!!!  I'm pretty confident I'll be able to sell my D800 in 1 year for at least $1500, likely quite a bit more...(can't imagine selling it any time soon though unless Sony makes a killer mirrorless 36x24 with some new lenses and fast on sensor phase detect AF).

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In reply to robbo d, 7 months ago

.........and i'm betting my money on Rictax, continuing to deliver me a superior quality, even pro level, stills photo biased camera option, particularly APS-C, that will see me possibly not ever really need FF....for quite some time to come. 

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ogl wrote:

- The K-3 will be announced near end October.
- 20MP APS-C sensor, possibly made by Sony.
- AA filter less.
- 100% viewfinder at 1.0X.
- Black body marketed first, followed by Silver colour later, first marketed at around 120,000 Japanese Yens (i.e., US$1200) for the body-only price, no kit.

And then also another rumour from yet another poster for additional information:

- New camera (K-3) will be on show at Salon de la Photo at Paris from 7 to 11 November at Paris.
- New DA 18-70 F2.8 lens will be announced together.

Rice High rumors

Wating for the 24 MP, and got some hints about 32 MP, but now it is 20 MP. 20MP is not all that much more than 16 MP. So, whats the big deal?

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robbo d wrote:

.........and i'm betting my money on Rictax, continuing to deliver me a superior quality, even pro level, stills photo biased camera option, particularly APS-C, that will see me possibly not ever really need FF....for quite some time to come.

Me too. I'm not craving much for FF yet.

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Gary Martin wrote:

JL Salvignol wrote:

What is funny is that the difference between M4/3 and FF seems to be irrelevant to the apologists of M4/3. Perhaps it is too big to be significant?

Yes it's funny, they mock cameras with smaller sensors than theirs (1", for example), and yet bigger sensors have no value.

Just as some APSC people mock 4/3 sensor and then claim FF has no value (even though size difference between the two is much bigger, as I showed in the last post).

And your straw-man would be wrong. 133% is a good size jump. 64% is less of an increase, but still significant. When they can get that bigger sensor into a sub-$1k camera the size of a K-5, I'll make that jump too.

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In reply to fakuryu, 7 months ago

There is a comment on the Rice High's K-3 rumors:

You're such a fun Rice. So did you sell your 21MP 5D Mark Something after the A30000 piece of trash was announced?Is 5DMkXX worth a few thouzand $$ on top of K-3's 20MP or A30000's?
What "source" doesn't mention is the class leading AF, radical increaze in performance, next gen image procezzor that will leave any 5D in dust. Plus a senzor glide shift operating mode to capture 40MP files with amazing clarity — stuff that was rezerved for MF so far. All that using your good DA glass. Now Nikon and Canon will roll in pain, becauze they never invested in body senzor stabilization.
I think many have no idea what they're missing now; many will start selling back their Nikon D600 plasticz to get one of theze babiez.

Posted under Mike Kawasaki name 5hrs. ago.

Kind of interesting details, I think

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Roland Karlsson wrote:

ogl wrote:

- The K-3 will be announced near end October.
- 20MP APS-C sensor, possibly made by Sony.
- AA filter less.
- 100% viewfinder at 1.0X.
- Black body marketed first, followed by Silver colour later, first marketed at around 120,000 Japanese Yens (i.e., US$1200) for the body-only price, no kit.

And then also another rumour from yet another poster for additional information:

- New camera (K-3) will be on show at Salon de la Photo at Paris from 7 to 11 November at Paris.
- New DA 18-70 F2.8 lens will be announced together.

Rice High rumors

Wating for the 24 MP, and got some hints about 32 MP, but now it is 20 MP. 20MP is not all that much more than 16 MP. So, whats the big deal?

There is the rumor that K-3 could use the same technology like this

http://www.hasselbladusa.com/products/h-system/h4d-200ms.aspx

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ogl wrote:

Roland Karlsson wrote:

ogl wrote:

- The K-3 will be announced near end October.
- 20MP APS-C sensor, possibly made by Sony.
- AA filter less.
- 100% viewfinder at 1.0X.
- Black body marketed first, followed by Silver colour later, first marketed at around 120,000 Japanese Yens (i.e., US$1200) for the body-only price, no kit.

And then also another rumour from yet another poster for additional information:

- New camera (K-3) will be on show at Salon de la Photo at Paris from 7 to 11 November at Paris.
- New DA 18-70 F2.8 lens will be announced together.

Rice High rumors

Wating for the 24 MP, and got some hints about 32 MP, but now it is 20 MP. 20MP is not all that much more than 16 MP. So, whats the big deal?

There is the rumor that K-3 could use the same technology like this

http://www.hasselbladusa.com/products/h-system/h4d-200ms.aspx

If it's the *same* technology, I expect Hassy's lawyers will be very busy!

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That would be an exciting feature, and for the limited cases where it could be used, would give us a lot of bragging rights.

I wonder how they'll implement the user interface for it? I'm envisioning a Shake Reduction switch with three positions.

One big question is whether it'll only be usable on a tripod. I figure that's pretty likely.

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https://github.com/rolkar/x3f

There is the rumor that K-3 could use the same technology like this

http://www.hasselbladusa.com/products/h-system/h4d-200ms.aspx

If it's the *same* technology, I expect Hassy's lawyers will be very busy!

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Call it - "something close". Hasselblad has no SR system, that's why Pentax has another method of shifting realization

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robbo d wrote:

I believe the new Sony A3000 has a 20.1 MP sensor. Unsure if this will be the same, but one would think that Pentax/Ricoh in their own usual way will tweak as much stills photo quality into it as technologically possible.

Couple that with the 'totally unsubstantiated' possibility they have found some processing way of upgrading the IQ, then I would say they have looked for the optimum sensor performance and will have chosen a '20' for a reason.

As for ........he, who me we do not speak of........(RH) is almost seemingly bi-polar in his viewpoints, on the one hand giving some splendid technical advice, before stupidly negative rants about impending doom of Pentax. Why do people do this ? it's crazy and clearly obvious that a company such as Ricoh has taken over the Pentax brand;

-stated clearly their objectives,

-from the position we all know they were in,

-knowing the timeline required to develop and manufacture new products,

-taking a different and tighter method of information release,

-having to take a serious look at the market direction with all the right sales and profit info,

-knowing who they're up against and what area's NOT to bother competing in,

-amalgamate two sets of engineers and manufacturing systems,

-sell existing products and stocks at such prices to empty the shelves and obtain some R&D funds,

-use clever marketing tools to slowly and surely scrape back some more total market share and enhanced profitability, such as .......weather sealing and sorry but yes colours !!!! (it works, there is actually millions of non tech gear head geek forumites out there who just want a cool looking camera that takes photo's without wars on phase detect AF, megapixels, gigawags, thingymajigs etc !!!)

-stick with a proven formula and market niche that both Pentax and Ricoh shared, plus a history, which is stills photo, quality ergonomic designed and quality built cameras.

-find areas where technology will enhance the photographic enjoyment of their core users, such as better quality lens coatings, enhanced sensor and processing performance and let things like video, wifi, touch screen,.....coffee making and sat nav systems take their course by implementing them slowly and cost effectively later on!!!!

-Perhaps also, maybe, they have a whole batch of new K3's or whatever it's being called actually ready to ship this time not long after launch.........

I think time and patience will reveal a far rosier picture

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ogl wrote:

There is the rumor that K-3 could use the same technology like this

http://www.hasselbladusa.com/products/h-system/h4d-200ms.aspx

This only works for immobile subjects. It would be nice to have though, For some things. And it is a pity that the SR on K-5 can't be tweaked with a firmware upgrade to do it.

In practice, this technique approx. doubles the pixel count resolution. So, the 20 MP sensor will work as a 30 MP sensor, for immobile objects. Hmmm ... to me it sounds like a 32 MP sensor would be more useful.

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ogl wrote:

Roland Karlsson wrote:

ogl wrote:

- The K-3 will be announced near end October.
- 20MP APS-C sensor, possibly made by Sony.
- AA filter less.
- 100% viewfinder at 1.0X.
- Black body marketed first, followed by Silver colour later, first marketed at around 120,000 Japanese Yens (i.e., US$1200) for the body-only price, no kit.

And then also another rumour from yet another poster for additional information:

- New camera (K-3) will be on show at Salon de la Photo at Paris from 7 to 11 November at Paris.
- New DA 18-70 F2.8 lens will be announced together.

Rice High rumors

Wating for the 24 MP, and got some hints about 32 MP, but now it is 20 MP. 20MP is not all that much more than 16 MP. So, whats the big deal?

There is the rumor that K-3 could use the same technology like this

http://www.hasselbladusa.com/products/h-system/h4d-200ms.aspx

Rumor? I think that was made up on the spot.

Alex

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