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You can tell the difference between the P7700 and P7800 from the front and top as the Quick Menu Dial has been removed from the P7800 to make room for the EVF.

I love the addition of the EVF; hate that they removed that handy little dial! For my uses, the P700 is just fine; I rarely use it outdoors in the bright Florida sun. So unless my P7700 dies, I'll skip this iteration.

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Let me be the first to tell you "thank you" for spelling "loses" correctly.  Thank you thank you thank you.

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If they replaced it with a "quick" menu like Canon's Function menu, it'll be fine with me.  In other respects the camera looks to be ideal for my needs.

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Yes, a bummer about the dial but it had to go to make room for the EVF, but I noticed that they added a Q button to give you quick access to change WB, ISO and one other thing. Can't remember where I saw the specifics but you can see the Q button on the Nikon USA product page. I think that button option is a good alternative especially in exchange for the EVF.

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Yes, a bummer about the dial but it had to go to make room for the EVF, but I noticed that they added a Q button to give you quick access to change WB, ISO and one other thing. Can't remember where I saw the specifics but you can see the Q button on the Nikon USA product page. I think that button option is a good alternative especially in exchange for the EVF.

Well, Mr. eagle-eye here totally missed the Q button. Nice catch! Depending on how Nikon configures the Q, I guess I wouldn't miss the dial all that much. What I will miss, if it's gone, is the customizable My Settings selection.

I have been using the P7700 a lot for close-up shots, especially of shells we collect at the beach; the lens/sensor combination is excellent! For me, it's a good thing that they kept the same sensor and lens in the P7800.

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TxCamFan wrote:

Yes, a bummer about the dial but it had to go to make room for the EVF, but I noticed that they added a Q button to give you quick access to change WB, ISO and one other thing. Can't remember where I saw the specifics but you can see the Q button on the Nikon USA product page. I think that button option is a good alternative especially in exchange for the EVF.

Well, Mr. eagle-eye here totally missed the Q button. Nice catch! Depending on how Nikon configures the Q, I guess I wouldn't miss the dial all that much. What I will miss, if it's gone, is the customizable My Settings selection.

I have been using the P7700 a lot for close-up shots, especially of shells we collect at the beach; the lens/sensor combination is excellent! For me, it's a good thing that they kept the same sensor and lens in the P7800.

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This thread made me curious so I took another look at the Nikon product page and it looks like the Q button allows you to adjust Quality / ISO / White balance and it also looks like there are three user customizable slots. I haven't used the customizable My Settings yet - I am guessing that is what the U1, U2 and U3 will do? Is that right? Here are 2 pics from their site and a link straight to it where I think you can see the images better

http://www.nikonusa.com/en/Nikon-Products/Product/Compact-Digital-Cameras/26427/COOLPIX-P7800.html

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PS - you have some beautiful images on your website - especially love the gorgeous photo of the Osprey on your home page.

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TxCamFan wrote:

PS - you have some beautiful images on your website - especially love the gorgeous photo of the Osprey on your home page.

Thank you so much for the kind words. You know, there are several photos on my site that were made with the P7100 and P7700. In fact, most of the photos in the Shells gallery were made with the P7700.

The Osprey, though, is the work of the Nikon D7000...

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This thread made me curious so I took another look at the Nikon product page and it looks like the Q button allows you to adjust Quality / ISO / White balance and it also looks like there are three user customizable slots. I haven't used the customizable My Settings yet - I am guessing that is what the U1, U2 and U3 will do? Is that right?

Not quite.

The U1-U3 positions on mode dial are used as user-defined shortcuts to some specific shooting settings that you either use frequently or that would otherwise require a lot of fiddling with buttons and dials to set each time (for example, specific settings for exposure, zoom position, flash output, ISO etc.).

The "My Settings" on the quick menu dial (now gone from P7800) on the other hand allows you quick access to a selection of up to 5 user-defined menu settings items that are otherwise buried somewhere in the menus and which are not available on the quick menu dial directly. My own selection for "My settings" for example includes shortcuts to Metering, Flash exposure compensation, ND filter on/off, NR and ADL settings).

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I paid $350 delivered for my p7700 that I'm still quite happy with. I can take or leave either the quick dial or view finder. So, if price is equal.. I might lean toward the 7800. But if I'm saving at least $50 or more with the p7700, I think it'd still be my choice.
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tomjar wrote:

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Not quite.

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The "My Settings" on the quick menu dial (now gone from P7800) on the other hand allows you quick access to a selection of up to 5 user-defined menu settings items that are otherwise buried somewhere in the menus and which are not available on the quick menu dial directly. My own selection for "My settings" for example includes shortcuts to Metering, Flash exposure compensation, ND filter on/off, NR and ADL settings).

Regards, T.

I do have to agree that the "My Settings" position on the Quick menu dial is very handy indeed. I especially find myself going to it for changing to spot metering from matrix and and kicking in the ND filter (why don't other manufacturers offer a built-in ND? Panasonic Lumix G5 and G6, I'm looking at you!).

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tomjar wrote:

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Not quite.

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The "My Settings" on the quick menu dial (now gone from P7800) on the other hand allows you quick access to a selection of up to 5 user-defined menu settings items that are otherwise buried somewhere in the menus and which are not available on the quick menu dial directly. My own selection for "My settings" for example includes shortcuts to Metering, Flash exposure compensation, ND filter on/off, NR and ADL settings).

Regards, T.

I do have to agree that the "My Settings" position on the Quick menu dial is very handy indeed. I especially find myself going to it for changing to spot metering from matrix and and kicking in the ND filter (why don't other manufacturers offer a built-in ND? Panasonic Lumix G5 and G6, I'm looking at you!).

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Don't forget the "F" function button on the lower front-side near the grip.  Maybe...we will be able to assign it for the My Menu function...

Oh, and ditto on your photo gallery... 

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skiphunt13 wrote:

I paid $350 delivered for my p7700 that I'm still quite happy with. I can take or leave either the quick dial or view finder. So, if price is equal.. I might lean toward the 7800. But if I'm saving at least $50 or more with the p7700, I think it'd still be my choice.
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A hypothetical question for you. If the P7800 came with a more efficient sensor, as they did in the D5200 say in the 70-75 range, would you have payed $50-100 more?

(example below):

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/%28appareil1%29/850|0/%28brand%29/Nikon/%28appareil2%29/825|0/%28brand2%29/Nikon

If a sensor the size of the D5200 could have that efficiency, is it not possible to make a 1/1.7" sensor with the same efficiency? If not why are no companies doing it? I would pay their asking price to have MUCHbetter IQ, DR, and lower light performance if they could/would do that!!! At this time, their are no cameras with a 1/1.7" sensor that I'm interested in upgrading my G12. Now, if/when maybe a 2/3" sensor P&S is made with similar sensor technology/efficiency similar to the D5200, I will be the first in line. If not, I may need to go to MFT format to get the IQ I'm looking for 

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skiphunt13 wrote:

I paid $350 delivered for my p7700 that I'm still quite happy with. I can take or leave either the quick dial or view finder. So, if price is equal.. I might lean toward the 7800. But if I'm saving at least $50 or more with the p7700, I think it'd still be my choice.
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A hypothetical question for you. If the P7800 came with a more efficient sensor, as they did in the D5200 say in the 70-75 range, would you have payed $50-100 more?

(example below):

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/%28appareil1%29/850|0/%28brand%29/Nikon/%28appareil2%29/825|0/%28brand2%29/Nikon

If a sensor the size of the D5200 could have that efficiency, is it not possible to make a 1/1.7" sensor with the same efficiency? If not why are no companies doing it? I would pay their asking price to have MUCHbetter IQ, DR, and lower light performance if they could/would do that!!! At this time, their are no cameras with a 1/1.7" sensor that I'm interested in upgrading my G12. Now, if/when maybe a 2/3" sensor P&S is made with similar sensor technology/efficiency similar to the D5200, I will be the first in line. If not, I may need to go to MFT format to get the IQ I'm looking for

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For the moment, ALL of these compact cams have the same type of IQ, excluding units like the Coolpix A and Ricoh GR.

If you want the best overall IQ and optics, the P7700 and P7800 are ahead of the Canon. You're trade some shot-to-shot speed, but you'll gain in MANY more areas.

A larger sensor will effect the size of the camera, which is what people generally seek in a "compact camera" from the outset.

You can buy a small DSLR with a very good small zoom and easily get what you want. No single camera can do it all, which is why I own a D800 and D5200 among others.

Continuously griping that your station wagon handles like a station wagon isn't going to get much done. Buy a Porsche.

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For the moment, ALL of these compact cams have the same type of IQ, excluding units like the Coolpix A and Ricoh GR.

The P7700 does not even come close the above mentioned cameras, what are you smoking?

If you want the best overall IQ and optics, the P7700 and P7800 are ahead of the Canon. You're trade some shot-to-shot speed, but you'll gain in MANY more areas.

We shall see if the overall IQ is better in the G16 or P7800 very soon, too early to know for sure.

A larger sensor will effect the size of the camera, which is what people generally seek in a "compact camera" from the outset.

Well... This totally shoots down THAT theory --> http://camerasize.com/compare/#480,332

And the Sony has a 1" sensor that is over 4x the size of the Nikon and blows it away in IQ!

You can buy a small DSLR with a very good small zoom and easily get what you want. No single camera can do it all, which is why I own a D800 and D5200 among others.

If I wanted a DSLR, D800 or D5200, I would own one. I want the controls and the fixed lens quality of the Nikon P7800 with a slightly larger, more efficient sensor (2/3"-1") for better IQ and lower noise from ISO 200 and up! Also, just because you own a D800 and D5200 does not necessarily mean your images look outstanding or even that you know how to use them, hint, hint

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I'm only griping because both Canon and Nikon refuse to design a P&S with a larger/more efficient sensor. If or when they ever do, IMO, the IQ will substantially increase from what it is now. Weather sealing would be a very nice feature, but then I guess you would also think that is also too much to ask for

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tron555 wrote:

Shotcents wrote:

For the moment, ALL of these compact cams have the same type of IQ, excluding units like the Coolpix A and Ricoh GR.

The P7700 does not even come close the above mentioned cameras, what are you smoking?

I said EXCLUDING those cams, not INCLUDING.

If you want the best overall IQ and optics, the P7700 and P7800 are ahead of the Canon. You're trade some shot-to-shot speed, but you'll gain in MANY more areas.

We shall see if the overall IQ is better in the G16 or P7800 very soon, too early to know for sure.

At the moment the P7700 has superior IQ. I see nothing in the specs to suggest that Canon has done anything with the lens and the Nikon lens is superb for this class.

A larger sensor will effect the size of the camera, which is what people generally seek in a "compact camera" from the outset.

Well... This totally shoots down THAT theory --> http://camerasize.com/compare/#480,332

And the Sony has a 1" sensor that is over 4x the size of the Nikon and blows it away in IQ!

Which sony are you referring to and what is the cost?

You can buy a small DSLR with a very good small zoom and easily get what you want. No single camera can do it all, which is why I own a D800 and D5200 among others.

If I wanted a DSLR, D800 or D5200, I would own one. I want the controls and the fixed lens quality of the Nikon P7800 with a slightly larger, more efficient sensor (2/3"-1") for better IQ and lower noise from ISO 200 and up! Also, just because you own a D800 and D5200 does not necessarily mean your images look outstanding or even that you know how to use them, hint, hint

Sir, I'm paid for my work, so it's a bit sad for you to troll along with the last desperate move "let me now say his photos are poor." You're welcome to post some of your own work.

Here's the display I just completed for a Boatshow using the D800...

I'm sure everyone would take you more seriously if we could look at some of the photo work you're paid for.

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I'm only griping because both Canon and Nikon refuse to design a P&S with a larger/more efficient sensor. If or when they ever do, IMO, the IQ will substantially increase from what it is now. Weather sealing would be a very nice feature, but then I guess you would also think that is also too much to ask for

Nope, they won't. At least not anytime soon. So why not stop bugging folks are pretty darn happy with the latest Coolpix and Canon cameras?

Cheers,

Robert

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Sir, I'm paid for my work, so it's a bit sad for you to troll along with the last desperate move "let me now say his photos are poor." You're welcome to post some of your own work.

Here's the display I just completed for a Boat show using the D800... I'm sure everyone would take you more seriously if we could look at some of the photo work you're paid for.

Just because a person owns a D800 and is paid for their images, that does not make them quality images, it just means you found someone to pay you for them. I've seen image you have posted and your gallery, I haven't seen any worth paying for :/

I'm only griping because both Canon and Nikon refuse to design a P&S with a larger/more efficient sensor. If or when they ever do, IMO, the IQ will substantially increase from what it is now. Weather sealing would be a very nice feature, but then I guess you would also think that is also too much to ask for

Nope, they won't. At least not anytime soon. So why not stop bugging folks are pretty darn happy with the latest Coolpix and Canon cameras?

Cheers, Robert

You seem to be the ONLY person I seem to be bugging. If you don't want slightly larger/more efficient sensors with better IQ in upcoming Nikon/Canon fixed lens camera's, what can I say. That does not mean I (or anyone else) feels the same way you do. I really do not want to continue any further discussions about this matter. You simply do not understand the message I am trying to convey.

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tron555 wrote:

Shotcents wrote:

Sir, I'm paid for my work, so it's a bit sad for you to troll along with the last desperate move "let me now say his photos are poor." You're welcome to post some of your own work.

Here's the display I just completed for a Boat show using the D800... I'm sure everyone would take you more seriously if we could look at some of the photo work you're paid for.

Just because a person owns a D800 and is paid for their images, that does not make them quality images, it just means you found someone to pay you for them. I've seen image you have posted and your gallery, I haven't seen any worth paying for :/

I'm only griping because both Canon and Nikon refuse to design a P&S with a larger/more efficient sensor. If or when they ever do, IMO, the IQ will substantially increase from what it is now. Weather sealing would be a very nice feature, but then I guess you would also think that is also too much to ask for

Nope, they won't. At least not anytime soon. So why not stop bugging folks are pretty darn happy with the latest Coolpix and Canon cameras?

Cheers, Robert

You seem to be the ONLY person I seem to be bugging. If you don't want slightly larger/more efficient sensors with better IQ in upcoming Nikon/Canon fixed lens camera's, what can I say. That does not mean I (or anyone else) feels the same way you do. I really do not want to continue any further discussions about this matter. You simply do not understand the message I am trying to convey.

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You've been labeled as troll more than once and seem to seek this sort of thing out. You've started more than one thread to say the same thing over and over again. Now that there's nothing left for you to attack, you're next step is into the mud where you feel it's good behavior to attack the work of others.

I have disagreements with plenty of people and I did look at your photos, but I'm an adult and I don't offer critical comments on anyone's efforts unless it is sought out.

With this behavior could you be over 20 years old? I doubt it.

Cheers,

Robert

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He just does not understand my point for some reason, as easy as it is to understand. Anyone can buy the best gear in the world (if their budget allows), that does not guarantee they will or are able to learn how to use it as is obvious from his images posted and gallery.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52172878 (missed the focus point completely)

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/52179104?image=1 (used way to narrow DOF!)

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