EOS M: Rodney Dangerfield of mirrorless?

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Re: 70D compared with EOS M AF
In reply to Daniel Lee Taylor, Aug 29, 2013

Daniel Lee Taylor wrote:

dual12 wrote:

Again, it's video. Most people buy the EOS M for stills, and for that purpose, the focus is SLOW.

No it's not. The 22mm lens is a bit sluggish in the AF department, but that seems to be the lens. AF with the 18-55 is snappy and confident. It's not the fastest focusing camera in the world, but it is not slow with firmware 2. I can think of some DSLR / lens combos that are much slower.

Agreed.

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Re: 70D compared with EOS M AF
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I can think of some DSLR / lens combos that are much slower.

Yeah, like what with an 18-55?

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Re: 70D compared with EOS M AF
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dual12 wrote:

Again, it's video. Most people buy the EOS M for stills, and for that purpose, the focus is SLOW.

do you own an eos m? the af is perfectly usable for me...

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Re: 70D compared with EOS M AF
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dual12 wrote:

Again, it's video. Most people buy the EOS M for stills, and for that purpose, the focus is SLOW.

you must have read that crap on the internet.

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Re: 70D compared with EOS M AF
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do you own an eos m? the af is perfectly usable for me...

That doesn't mean it's not slow.

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Re: 70D compared with EOS M AF
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you must have read that crap on the internet.

No, I saw it focusing on a variety of youtube videos.  It was really SLOW.

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Re: 70D compared with EOS M AF
In reply to Daniel Lee Taylor, Aug 29, 2013

It's not the fastest focusing camera in the world, but it is not slow with firmware 2.

"Firmware 1" gave EOS M AF speed a bad reputation. It's too bad that they shipped the camera before the better firmware was finished,

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Re: 70D compared with EOS M AF
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dual12 wrote:

sneakerpimp wrote:

you must have read that crap on the internet.

No, I saw it focusing on a variety of youtube videos. It was really SLOW.

you should try it out for yourself, the AF is not that slow in the real world.

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Re: 70D compared with EOS M AF
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dual12 wrote:

vrot01 wrote:

do you own an eos m? the af is perfectly usable for me...

That doesn't mean it's not slow.

i see you are a youtube expert... you should consider posting about things you have actually experienced...

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Re: 70D compared with EOS M AF
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vrot01 wrote:

i see you are a youtube expert... you should consider posting about things you have actually experienced...

Anyone can see the focus is SLOW.  There is no need to experience it directly.  Having the camera in hand is NOT going to speed up the focus.

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Re: 70D compared with EOS M AF
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dual12 wrote:

vrot01 wrote:

do you own an eos m? the af is perfectly usable for me...

That doesn't mean it's not slow.

It's not slow. I put a thousand frames through the M+18-55 while in Vegas recently. It was the first time I really used the 18-55 having just received it before the trip. Know what I thought in the first 15m of use? "Why does anyone call this slow?"

If I were to rank it against all the lenses I've owned/used on my Canon SLRs, it would be in the middle. Not the fastest, but certainly not the slowest either.

Have you ever actually used the M+18-55?

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YouTube Expert Confirmed (n/t)

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Re: 70D compared with EOS M AF
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you should try it out for yourself, the AF is not that slow in the real world.

Having the camera in my hand isn't going to speed up the focus.  I saw multiple videos from photographers, consumers and reviewers.

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Now that you mention mounts...
In reply to zackiedawg, Aug 29, 2013

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Come on, let's not go too far in the other direction - just because there are some silly posters in the M4:3 and NEX forums who don't give respect to other mirrorless mounts

I can easily mount my Canon L lenses on the M using the EF/M adapter.  Can other mirrorless systems do that?  I use my 100L macro on the M at work on a daily basis.

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Re: 70D compared with EOS M AF
In reply to dual12, Aug 29, 2013

dual12 wrote:

sneakerpimp wrote:

you should try it out for yourself, the AF is not that slow in the real world.

Having the camera in my hand isn't going to speed up the focus. I saw multiple videos from photographers, consumers and reviewers.

Translation: you probably saw one video from a guy who botched the test or was using firmware 1.

You have made 7 posts in this thread bashing the M's AF and you have never even touched one, much less spent even one hour shooting with one. Why? What could possibly compel you to this behavior?

I've never touched a Sony NEX except at a store. Never processed any images shot by a NEX with NEX lenses. Do you see me in a Sony forum bashing the NEX because some guy on YouTube had a complaint?

Come back when you've used one.

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The AF bashers deserve no respect
In reply to Daniel Lee Taylor, Aug 29, 2013

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happypoppeye wrote:

Everyone does that everywhere on the different forums here. But, that said, the M does not deserve any respect with that AF speed ...and Canon should be absolutely ashamed of the M

Have you ever actually used one with firmware 2 for any length of time?

It turns out that the current AF bashers in this thread have never owned an EOS M. A question is why they are in this forum at all.

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Re: 70D compared with EOS M AF
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dual12 wrote:

sneakerpimp wrote:

you should try it out for yourself, the AF is not that slow in the real world.

Having the camera in my hand isn't going to speed up the focus. I saw multiple videos from photographers, consumers and reviewers.

keep trollin' bro.

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Re: The AF bashers deserve no respect
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Markr041 wrote:

Daniel Lee Taylor wrote:

happypoppeye wrote:

Everyone does that everywhere on the different forums here. But, that said, the M does not deserve any respect with that AF speed ...and Canon should be absolutely ashamed of the M

Have you ever actually used one with firmware 2 for any length of time?

It turns out that the current AF bashers in this thread have never owned an EOS M. A question is why they are in this forum at all.

It's been that kind of a week around here in a variety of threads.

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In reply to EvokeEmotion, Aug 29, 2013

Canon and Nikon have completely dominated the camera market for decades. Canon, especially, was always leading the way with innovations such as USM autofocus, image stabilization and CMOS sensors. But mirrorless is sweeping the market, and the old guard at Nikon and Canon are not only late to the party, but they just don't seem to 'get it'.

The 'M' with no EVF just can't compete with the offerings from NEX, Oly or Fujifilm. Being limited by the lack of an EVF or OVF and slow AF renders the 'M' to P&S status. And the Nikon? The tiny sensor and menu based interface make it more like a toy than a serious photographic tool.

I think Canon and Nikon are relying on their established DSLR range to carry them forward. Based on their initial offerings it appears as if they just don't take 'mirrorless' seriously. Other companies, like Fujifilm, have committed to the mirrorless design and, as a result, their products have found their way into more and more working professional photographers bags.

Only time will tell whether mirrorless cameras or DSLRs will prevail and ultimately dominate the market. But, if mirrorless does prevail, senior managers from Canon and Nikon will have a lot of explaining to do to their stockholders.

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Re: EOS M: Rodney Dangerfield of mirrorless?
In reply to EvokeEmotion, Aug 29, 2013

EvokeEmotion wrote:

I just wish Canon will strike back with a vengeance, releasing M bodies with blindingly fast AF, faster than any mirrorless out there, and other goodies.

Viewfinder model.

I think faster focus is certain; they'd be crazy not to.

Though I wouldn't mind another "flawed" model, as long as the discounts keep flowing. I wouldn't have even bought one or discovered the high degree of polish in other areas if it had not been for the discount over the (ridiculous) standard price.

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