18-55 With OIS On = Blurred Images

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Perry Kivolowitz
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Re: 18-55 With OIS On = Blurred Images
In reply to Paul JM, Sep 4, 2013

I believe I am experiencing the same results as yourself and the OP.

I have stopped using the image stabilization feature of the 18 - 55.

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In reply to hellocrowley, Sep 4, 2013

hellocrowley wrote:

You should have taken the opportunity to get a FF. My XP1 has been used little since I got a 5D.

And my 5D has been used little since I got the XP1 so what has this got to do with the zoom lens auto stability function??

But it seems that there is QC issue with the zoom lenses. My 55-200 lens replacement has been working perfectly but the first died after a few days. After ranting about it on this forum a lot I got news of several other failures - When it is working properly it is a wonderful lens in terms of sharpness and especially the stabilization.

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In reply to FujiColy, Sep 4, 2013

Isn't it true that for this lens, as for other optically stabilized lenses in most any system, one will always get the very sharpest results at faster shutter speeds with OIS turned off? So for landscapes, nature, etc. shot at 1/125th or faster, it is best practice (i.e. the very sharpest results) to turn OIS off?

This was always my understanding with my Panny m4/3s cameras.

That said, the difference between your images does seem exaggerated.

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hellocrowley wrote:

You should have taken the opportunity to get a FF. My XP1 has been used little since I got a 5D.

I mainly shoot in good light so FF is of little use to me plus the reported oil issues put me off the D600.

However I am blown away with the D7100 and Sigma 35mm lens, The image detail is phenomenal (1000x better than the XE1) I just wish it was in a smaller package just like the XE1.

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Dailypix wrote:

hellocrowley wrote:

You should have taken the opportunity to get a FF. My XP1 has been used little since I got a 5D.

And my 5D has been used little since I got the XP1 so what has this got to do with the zoom lens auto stability function??

But it seems that there is QC issue with the zoom lenses. My 55-200 lens replacement has been working perfectly but the first died after a few days. After ranting about it on this forum a lot I got news of several other failures - When it is working properly it is a wonderful lens in terms of sharpness and especially the stabilization.

It is a nice camera, but I would always have worries about a break down and I cant risk that with my work and photography.

My New D7100 and Sigma 35mm 1.4 produces way better images so in some respects I am glad the XE1 went wrong

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Re: 18-55 With OIS On = Blurred Images
In reply to Perry Kivolowitz, Sep 4, 2013

Perry Kivolowitz wrote:

I believe I am experiencing the same results as yourself and the OP.

I have stopped using the image stabilization feature of the 18 - 55.

Return it to the seller or Fuji, it is a known issue.

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Re: 18-55 With OIS On = Blurred Images
In reply to FujiColy, Sep 6, 2013

FujiColy wrote:

Perry Kivolowitz wrote:

I believe I am experiencing the same results as yourself and the OP.

I have stopped using the image stabilization feature of the 18 - 55.

Return it to the seller or Fuji, it is a known issue.

Can you point to a link in which Fuji acknowledge that this is a known issue please.

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Re: 18-55 With OIS On = Blurred Images
In reply to R Neuschul, Sep 6, 2013

I'm sure this must have been mentioned before but I can't see it at a glance...

Are you guys using a tripod? If you lock the camera on something solid, or even rest it on a fence-post etc, you should always switch stabilisation off; otherwise the stabilisation feature actually introduces vibration.

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Re: 18-55 With OIS On = Blurred Images
In reply to R Neuschul, Sep 6, 2013

R Neuschul wrote:

FujiColy wrote:

Perry Kivolowitz wrote:

I believe I am experiencing the same results as yourself and the OP.

I have stopped using the image stabilization feature of the 18 - 55.

Return it to the seller or Fuji, it is a known issue.

Can you point to a link in which Fuji acknowledge that this is a known issue please.

It's not a "known issue" it is simply a fact that some goods will be faulty, either from the factory or because of bad handling in transit.

I have returned ZERO items of Fuji kit. I have on the other hand returned 60% of my Nikon lenses and two bodies out of five for faults that were extremely obvious.

All VR lenses are notorious for faults. The actuators are high precision and it only takes a minute fault in one of them to produce blur. But nothing could possibly be as bad as the 3 Nikon 55-200 zooms I had to return until I found one that was not completely decentered.

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In reply to FujiColy, Sep 6, 2013

Admittedly, the leaves are definitely more blurred in the second shot, but everything else in the shot is absolutely identical.

The fence, the sunny section at the bottom...even the branches of the tree are all are exactly as sharp as each other.

If it was the lens OIS function, all of the image would be blurred in the second shot

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In reply to bowportes, Sep 6, 2013

bowportes wrote:

Isn't it true that for this lens, as for other optically stabilized lenses in most any system, one will always get the very sharpest results at faster shutter speeds with OIS turned off? So for landscapes, nature, etc. shot at 1/125th or faster, it is best practice (i.e. the very sharpest results) to turn OIS off?

This was always my understanding with my Panny m4/3s cameras.

That said, the difference between your images does seem exaggerated.

I think the best practice to get the sharpest image in shooting landscapes is to use a tripod and turn the image stabilization off. This is especially important for long exposures where you may have some movement in the subject - waves, clouds etc. I may be wrong but I understand that the computer in the camera "sees" the movement and tries to correct it thus blurring all the steady parts.

For me the best use of IS is hand held longer focal lengths where it is difficult to hold the camera steady - say over 100mm shooting at less than 1/125". When it works the Fuji system is better than anything I experienced with Canon or Nikon (tried both). Don't really think the 18-55 needs it but it is great on the 55-200.

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Re: 18-55 With OIS On = Blurred Images
In reply to 57even, Sep 6, 2013
Return it to the seller or Fuji, it is a known issue.

Can you point to a link in which Fuji acknowledge that this is a known issue please.

It's not a "known issue" it is simply a fact that some goods will be faulty, either from the factory or because of bad handling in transit.

I have returned ZERO items of Fuji kit. I have on the other hand returned 60% of my Nikon lenses and two bodies out of five for faults that were extremely obvious.

All VR lenses are notorious for faults. The actuators are high precision and it only takes a minute fault in one of them to produce blur. But nothing could possibly be as bad as the 3 Nikon 55-200 zooms I had to return until I found one that was not completely decentered.

The assertion was made that it *was* a known issue; I asked for a definitive link to the source of that knowledge. In other words I was asking for evidence.

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Re: 18-55 With OIS On = Blurred Images
In reply to R Neuschul, Sep 7, 2013

I have the same issue

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Re: 18-55 With OIS On = Blurred Images
In reply to FujiColy, Sep 7, 2013

Just a thought--are the camera and lens up-to-date with the latest firmware?

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Re: 18-55 With OIS On = Blurred Images
In reply to R Neuschul, Sep 7, 2013

R Neuschul wrote:

Return it to the seller or Fuji, it is a known issue.

Can you point to a link in which Fuji acknowledge that this is a known issue please.

It's not a "known issue" it is simply a fact that some goods will be faulty, either from the factory or because of bad handling in transit.

I have returned ZERO items of Fuji kit. I have on the other hand returned 60% of my Nikon lenses and two bodies out of five for faults that were extremely obvious.

All VR lenses are notorious for faults. The actuators are high precision and it only takes a minute fault in one of them to produce blur. But nothing could possibly be as bad as the 3 Nikon 55-200 zooms I had to return until I found one that was not completely decentered.

The assertion was made that it *was* a known issue; I asked for a definitive link to the source of that knowledge. In other words I was asking for evidence.

Fair enough, but I would guess any common fault would be classed as a known issue. Either way it is covered under warranty in this case.

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In reply to DaveHutch, Sep 7, 2013

DaveHutch wrote:

Admittedly, the leaves are definitely more blurred in the second shot, but everything else in the shot is absolutely identical.

The fence, the sunny section at the bottom...even the branches of the tree are all are exactly as sharp as each other.

If it was the lens OIS function, all of the image would be blurred in the second shot

I also find this very puzzling. Does anyone have an explanation?

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Re: 18-55 With OIS On = Blurred Images
In reply to FujiColy, Sep 7, 2013

While I've tried to stay away from this thread I didn't have the will power.

The blurred images with ois turned on at reasonably high shutters is nothing unusual. ois is for when you need it, I use it at shutters lower than 60. Otherwise it's turned off. It's amazing at low shutters but at high shutters you can get some images that are less than sharp. I have not looked at the OP's images so I have no idea how bad they are. My tests of the 18-55 is they can be less sharp with ois turned on until the shutters get low.

I have the 18-55 and shot Nikon vr lenses for many years. That's the way it is. Here's an education.  If your not seeing it good. But get some detail in your shots and you'll see the issue or perhaps you don't need the 18-55.

http://www.bythom.com/nikon-vr.htm

And please don't give me pedantic views of what Fuji's manual may say. Never read it and know from my own experience you use it when you need it. Sort of like the first bold line in ByThom's write-up.

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Re: 18-55 With OIS On = Blurred Images
In reply to uniball, 10 months ago

Some more on the subject here:

FujiSeries discussion

I have similar issues with my x-e1 18-55 combo and so have others and pretty much makes the OIS system useless. But, there seems to be a fix now, namely low level firmware fix in the workshop. Read the link above for more info.

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In reply to FujiColy, 10 months ago

FujiColy wrote:

Dailypix wrote:

hellocrowley wrote:

You should have taken the opportunity to get a FF. My XP1 has been used little since I got a 5D.

And my 5D has been used little since I got the XP1 so what has this got to do with the zoom lens auto stability function??

But it seems that there is QC issue with the zoom lenses. My 55-200 lens replacement has been working perfectly but the first died after a few days. After ranting about it on this forum a lot I got news of several other failures - When it is working properly it is a wonderful lens in terms of sharpness and especially the stabilization.

It is a nice camera, but I would always have worries about a break down and I cant risk that with my work and photography.

My New D7100 and Sigma 35mm 1.4 produces way better images so in some respects I am glad the XE1 went wrong

I can't imagine Nikon would ever have QC issues.   My Sigma 30mm 1.4 (Canon mount) went back twice for centering and bad AF problems.  But I'm glad you like the IQ.  A 1000x increase in IQ over the X-E1 seems reasonable.

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Re: 18-55 With OIS On = Blurred Images
In reply to FujiColy, 10 months ago

Jeez, I've been getting similar issues with random blurred images. Didn't know what was going on but it could be an issue with OIS which I usually leave on all the time. If it's sunny this weekend I'll have to get out and experiment. I've already had to replace the XE1 body due to a defective flash...hope I don't have to send the 18-55 in or get it changed.

I've read that the motors / OIS in the zoom can be heard but mine seems totally silent...which is normal ?

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