More specs on ILC-3000

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The ILC-3000 is now said to have IBIS & a metal lens mount , sounds too good to be true for £300 ? If AF only matches current cameras this could be an absolute winner ! A lot of current users will seriously consider this camera as a back-up.

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Hmmm... IBIS isn't so useful for E-mount lenses as most have OSS already. I reckon there's a fair chance this has IBIS for the sake of A-mount lenses, and so perhaps this new sensor has on-sensor PDAF. As you say, even without PDAF, its going to be a hell of camera for the rumored price.

Looks like Sony have been busy..

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IBIS may not be useful for current Sony lenses but for legacy lenses used with an adapter it is going to be terrific !

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IBIS would be wonderful for my CANON FD 500 and FD 300!! And so would be 20mp for cropping the pictures around these tiny birds.

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Keit ll wrote:

The ILC-3000 is now said to have IBIS & a metal lens mount , sounds too good to be true for £300 ? If AF only matches current cameras this could be an absolute winner ! A lot of current users will seriously consider this camera as a back-up.

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/

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Ok I'm sold!

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Awesome news, but I'll wait for the 5 or 7 series probably.

But the big question is, when they finally nail AF, what future is there for A-mount?

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If it has IBIS and metal mount I would best very interested.  Without IBIS I am not.  Also, many lenses are not OSS (Sigmas).  That is the route Panasonic is going with the GX7.

Great if true!

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Keit ll wrote:

IBIS may not be useful for current Sony lenses but for legacy lenses used with an adapter it is going to be terrific !

Yes, terrific, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. On the SLT's there's no way to tell the camera the focal length of the lens that's attached (and IBIS needs this to work properly). If Sony goes the same route with the E-mount bodies, IBIS will only be useful for E- or A-mount lenses (or chipped legacy lenses).

I am not sure what to expect. On the one hand, Sony like forcing people to use their own stuff; on the other, they put focus peaking into the NEX bodies making them a lot more capable at focusing legacy lenses, and I believe this did them more good than harm.

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Now things appear to be making more sense.

A DSLR-Alpha looking NEX entry with IBIS.  Maybe we will be seeing a convergence of NEX-Alpha.  More advanced models may have hybrid mounts (like with Olympus M1).  A strategy like this would set the future well for Sony.

If so, I'm in.

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quezra wrote:

Awesome news, but I'll wait for the 5 or 7 series probably.

But the big question is, when they finally nail AF, what future is there for A-mount?

Long term, it will go the same way as the Leica R mount. But that could be four or five years away.

I think the E mount is the best camera mount design so far by any company.

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quezra wrote:

Awesome news, but I'll wait for the 5 or 7 series probably.

But the big question is, when they finally nail AF, what future is there for A-mount?

Long term, it will go the same way as the Leica R mount. But that could be four or five years away.

I think the E mount is the best camera mount design so far by any company.

Could you explain the reason for you last sentence.  Thanks in advance.

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Keit ll wrote:

The ILC-3000 is now said to have IBIS & a metal lens mount , sounds too good to be true for £300 ? If AF only matches current cameras this could be an absolute winner ! A lot of current users will seriously consider this camera as a back-up.

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/

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I think Sony saw A3x being redundant due to this camera in development, and since larger body made including EVF and IBIS easier, went for it.

I have begun to think that A3000 will also be the starting point for A-mount bodies, except that those might have this hybrid A/E mount we hear about, starting at a higher price point, allowing use of either A-mount or E-mount lenses without adapters.

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Keit ll wrote:

The ILC-3000 is now said to have IBIS & a metal lens mount , sounds too good to be true for £300 ? If AF only matches current cameras this could be an absolute winner ! A lot of current users will seriously consider this camera as a back-up.

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Maybe SAR is screwing up again. The 20 mp sensor is not new, it was introduced in January with the A58.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2013/02/20/Sony-announces-Alpha-SLT-A58-20MP-DSLR-style-camera-with-SVGA-OLED-viewfinder

For the price of $300 + they could not possibly offer IBIS. Even though Sony has a preferential buying arrangement with Olympus. (We get IBIS, they get the best Sony sensors.)

What's happening? I think SAR is really talking about the mid-range humped Sony, the ILC-a5000 here.

Q....will the a5000 have NEX-5T technology as a parallel body to the NEX-5T?

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Hmmm... IBIS isn't so useful for E-mount lenses as most have OSS already. I reckon there's a fair chance this has IBIS for the sake of A-mount lenses, and so perhaps this new sensor has on-sensor PDAF. As you say, even without PDAF, its going to be a hell of camera for the rumored price.

Looks like Sony have been busy..

A larger body (possibly the size of A3x/A55) made room for inclusion of IBIS, and a chance for providing both, A- and E- mounts on one body. While A3000 may support only E-mount, if there is a way to develop a hybrid mount supporting A- and E-, the higher up bodies may have that.

Although, how existing pancakes, or even PZ16-50, fit into this hybrid set up will be interesting (E-mount would have to be recessed into the body).

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D Cox wrote:

quezra wrote:

Awesome news, but I'll wait for the 5 or 7 series probably.

But the big question is, when they finally nail AF, what future is there for A-mount?

Long term, it will go the same way as the Leica R mount. But that could be four or five years away.

I think the E mount is the best camera mount design so far by any company.

Could you explain the reason for you last sentence.  Thanks in advance.

I agree with D Cox that this mount is the best designed.

First if all the flange distance allows for usage of any legacy lens, including Leica M lenses.

Secondly this mount fits up to a fully blown full frame sensor with full electronic control.

You dont get this flexibility with any other mount, except from Canon's M-mount perhaps as this seems to be a copy paste of the E-mount, but Canon would never fit a FF sensor in it anyway unless their EF sales suddenly took a huge dive for some unlikely reason.

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A larger body (possibly the size of A3x/A55) made room for inclusion of IBIS, and a chance for providing both, A- and E- mounts on one body. While A3000 may support only E-mount, if there is a way to develop a hybrid mount supporting A- and E-, the higher up bodies may have that.

I hope somehow they've managed on-sensor PDAF, and put an articulating screen on the A3000. That would truly set it apart from the NEX models. A hybrid mount sounds too far fetched to me. I think it will simply be done with the LA-EA1, and LA-EA3 adapters.

Realistically, I think it's too much to hope that the A3000 will come with on-sensor PDAF. My guess is they will put it on the upper-end models at first, and if so the A3000 will need the LA-EA2.

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Keit ll wroteFor the price of $300 + they could not possibly offer IBIS. Even though Sony has a preferential buying arrangement with Olympus. (We get IBIS, they get the best Sony sensors.)

The rumor -- and so far it is just that -- is 300 pounds or just over $450 US dollars body-only.  I offer no comment on whether that's a good price or not -- just that no where but in some posts here has the $300 figure been suggested.
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Keit ll wrote:

IBIS may not be useful for current Sony lenses but for legacy lenses used with an adapter it is going to be terrific !

Yes, terrific, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. On the SLT's there's no way to tell the camera the focal length of the lens that's attached (and IBIS needs this to work properly). If Sony goes the same route with the E-mount bodies, IBIS will only be useful for E- or A-mount lenses (or chipped legacy lenses).

I am not sure what to expect. On the one hand, Sony like forcing people to use their own stuff; on the other, they put focus peaking into the NEX bodies making them a lot more capable at focusing legacy lenses, and I believe this did them more good than harm.

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Interesting point. Thanks.

It will be a let down if you cannot specify the FL manually for the ibis.

If you can then I will be too tempted to get this one a a second body. Actually it could threaten the NEX-6 sales esp if it gets OSPDAF as well but I doubt that.

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Good point.  That makes more sense.  Also allows for the cost of Sony adding IBIS.

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Now that we have been straightened out that 300 pounds is about $450 that allows for the real possibility of Sony covering the cost of IBIS and tilting LCD screen.  That would put the ILC-3000 ahead of the Canon SL1 rather than just equally competing with it.

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