Question about filters

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jers
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Question about filters
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I am thinking about buying, a clear B+W filter, for my X-E1. Is it really worth the extra money?

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In reply to jers, 8 months ago

If I were to put a filter in front of my lens, I'd want it to be the best possible filter, optically speaking, so as to not handicap the wonderfully made Fuji lenses. B+W would be my choice as well as I know it delivers that quality.

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Make sure the filter is multicoated else you can get reflections from lights.

Generally speaking the best protection is a hood, not a filter. A hood aborbs shock, a filter transfers shock. But a filter is useful in foul weather. I use a protective filter once or twice year at most. I use a hood 99% of the time

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As I recall, (and I can't re-read the link because it's in Polish) the Opticzyne tests on various filters found that they vary quite a bit and unfortunately that you don't always get what you pay for.

There is a body of thought around that one should protect by using a filter only when there's an identified need for protection (like blown sand and sea spray).  There are two flaws in this argument.  One is that this doesn't protect against unidentified threats.  (No threat at a family dinner?  Try a well aimed handful of spaghetti bolognaise as you snap baby Johnny).  The other is that if the images are good enough (for you/your client) with the filter on when there is a threat, why aren't they good enough at other times?

My recommendation is to test your own filter if you want to be completely confident.  Then you're not reliant on anyone else's tests - you're evaluating the one you're actually going to use.  No theory, no opinion - your lens, your filter.  I'd be tempted to get a higher grade filter from one of the standard lines like Hoya and try it.  Set your camera on a tripod and take a set of identical shots with and without.  Pixel peep, and you've got your answer.

I used to do this rigorously but got tired of it because most of the time I couldn't see any difference.  I have had many landscape photos published and almost all were taken with a lens with a filter on for protection.  I don't publish much any more but I still use them -  I feel a bit more confident of protecting my lenses when I do use a filter - I still do a lot of hiking and outdoor photography.

I agree with the earlier posters sentiment about hoods - they're good.  It's not either/or though - you can use both and in some cases that may be worthwhile.

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jers wrote:

I am thinking about buying, a clear B+W filter, for my X-E1. Is it really worth the extra money?

Heliopan is on even ground with B&W and maybe a notch better.

Here are the filters I'd suggest: All clear and not the UV versions.

You have to read the details carefully past if the filter is multicoated or not. Some have a slim profile that is good but may also not have front threads. The downside to that is you can not attach the lens cap or stack a filter for an additional effect

B+W Clear MRC 007M Filter

B+W XS-Pro Clear MRC-Nano 007 Filter

B+W Clear MRC 007M Extra Wide Filter

Heliopan protection filter (I use these filters when possible over B&W)

B&H stock code# HEPMC58 ■ Mfr # 705800

Heliopan

  • SH-PMC 16 Layer Multi-Coating
  • Less Flare / Increased Color Saturation
  • Dust, Moisture Repellent
  • Use for General Front Element Protection
  • Rugged Brass Filter Ring
  • Slim Mount Design/Retains Front Threads
  • High-Quality Schott Glass
  • Lifetime Warranty
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B+W is the best choice.

I never take it off my X100.

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I use B+W UV Haze MRC on every lens I have owned, regardless of the system.  The last test I did I placed several brands on a pure white sheet of paper.  Only the B+W was totally clear with the rest having some yellowish cast to them in a greater or lesser extent.

When I toured Egypt I ruined two B+W filters with grit cleaning swirls.  Better the filter than the coatings on a lens although Egypt was an extreme example.  I want my len$e$ to last a long time, and should I want to sell them, to be as cherry as possible at that time.  The B+W is easy to clean, perhaps the easiest (ever try to clean finger prints off a Hoya?) does not flare and does seem to provide a haze reduction in actual shooting.

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Lenstip published a comparison article on uv filters which you can find here:

http://www.lenstip.com/index.php?art=113

I believe they have done an update to their tests.  You will have to search the site.

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Sorry, I see that this is the same article referenced earlier from a different web site.

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jers wrote:

I am thinking about buying, a clear B+W filter, for my X-E1. Is it really worth the extra money?

I suppose that depends on what you are doing. I am firmly planted in the no filter camp, except when I think there can be damage done to my lens.

I photograph a lot or welding procedures and that is a time you defiantly want a clear glass filter. welding or grinding spatter will ruin the front element of a lens in a nanosecond. A promaster filter does not cost much & is expendable once it gets spattered. I have a few around here someplace

If I was to go to the desert I might consider a filter if the sand was blowing. But other than that I tend to not be too concerned about it. But I always carry one to fit my lenses in my daily work bag just in case I need one for the aforementioned reason. I guess in the long run, it is like being sick & having chicken soup, it cant hurt.

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Goog filter even improves picture and saves glass. Nobody knows what it will be the next moment. If you do not care, just forget it and enjoy your camera as it is.

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jers wrote:

I am thinking about buying, a clear B+W filter, for my X-E1. Is it really worth the extra money?

I have had B+W MRC & Hoya MRC, and the new Hoya HD/HD2 are by far one of the very best filter I had.  Especially with Fuji which I don't normally have lens cap, the HD filter can stay clean, and hardly get dirty, and super easy to clean.

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laueddy wrote:

jers wrote:

I am thinking about buying, a clear B+W filter, for my X-E1. Is it really worth the extra money?

I have had B+W MRC & Hoya MRC, and the new Hoya HD/HD2 are by far one of the very best filter I had. Especially with Fuji which I don't normally have lens cap, the HD filter can stay clean, and hardly get dirty, and super easy to clean.

Finally! Somebody who actually has experience with B+W and HD2 filters. So are these the clear filters (007 and protector)? I recently purchased a pro1 and returned it since it was a pain to clean. So which is easier to clean the B+W or the HD2?

Thx!

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Rod McD wrote:

My recommendation is to test your own filter if you want to be completely confident. Then you're not reliant on anyone else's tests - you're evaluating the one you're actually going to use. No theory, no opinion - your lens, your filter. I'd be tempted to get a higher grade filter from one of the standard lines like Hoya and try it. Set your camera on a tripod and take a set of identical shots with and without. Pixel peep, and you've got your answer.

This is great advice. There is not substitute for testing the actual equipment you'll be using.

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In my experience the B+W was easy to clean and the Hoya was a PIA. Once burned twice shy, never bought another Hoya and use B+W on every lens for what I see as miniscule saturation improvement and lens protection.  There are times when you can have a hood on and times when you can't. On tours and trips you may be pulling the camera out and putting it back in a bag many times an hour all day long....  do you want to use a hood you have to reverse to put the camera in a bag, only to have to reverse again to use? Things happen, things get knocked against things. ...  sure a hood is protection but do you travel with it on? Eventually even the lens cap will mark the threads in the lens. I'd rather have a filter there knowing nothing can touch or mark the glass coatings.

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Travelshooter wrote:

In my experience the B+W was easy to clean and the Hoya was a PIA. Once burned twice shy, never bought another Hoya and use B+W on every lens for what I see as miniscule saturation improvement and lens protection. There are times when you can have a hood on and times when you can't. On tours and trips you may be pulling the camera out and putting it back in a bag many times an hour all day long.... do you want to use a hood you have to reverse to put the camera in a bag, only to have to reverse again to use? Things happen, things get knocked against things. ... sure a hood is protection but do you travel with it on? Eventually even the lens cap will mark the threads in the lens. I'd rather have a filter there knowing nothing can touch or mark the glass coatings.

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So are you comparing the B+W 007 vs. the Hoya pro1 or HD/HD2?

Like I said on my previous post, the pro1 was a pain to clean. now I'm choosing between the HD2 and the 007.

One more thing to add about not being to have your hood on all the time to protect your front element. I don't always have my SB flash with me all the time so I have to use the pop-up flash. Of course with some lens/hood combinations the hood gets in the way. I've had to retake a lot of shots when I forget to remove the hood.

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Hi everybody here!

I had Hoya and BW uv / protection filters. They are sertainly good.

Recently wanted to buy uv / protection for my new X E1 and compared Hoya with so called NiSi  DW1 super wide band pro multi... and found NiSi, at list visually, much more accurate and precise, also MC looks more serious. Looked in internet and did not find much info about NiSi: just new player, wants to break down into the market and makes all possible for that (quality controll, high production costs, low pricing etc.)

We know how it used to be with brands, they do best for us at the beginning of carrier, then usually care about costs, less about us and not to much about competition.

By now I'm pretty satisfied with NiSi, and would appreciate very much if someone share his experience, if any, with this new brand.

Have a nice day!

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