Nikon D600 dynamic range is insane (examples)

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ZAnton
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Nikon D600 dynamic range is insane (examples)
Jul 27, 2013

Last holidays I was on Corsica and made some really high DR photos.

Here are some examples.

Original photo:

With +3EV gradient and shadows pulling in LR:

Similar adjustments here:

This is the another example:

Exposure +3.5

Shadows, Blacks +100

Whites, Highlights -100

Clarity +40, Contrast +95:

Here the photo was made out of a cave to a bright sunny day.

Exposure +0.9 Shadows +100 Blacks +95

Here also completely dark cave vs bright sunny day.

Exposure +1.5, shadows +85, blacks +10

Even though I do have some spots on the sensor (it was already cleaned once, I will send it again soon) I do not regret that I switched from 5D mk2 to Nikon.

I mean, Canon fanboys are claiming, that there is no use of high DR. "EXPOSE PROPERLY!"- BS. But I do use it very often, and I like photos I get. So here are some "real" photos, not lab-experiments.
I don't even want to think about how much noise Canon would give me after  "Shadows +100, blacks +100".

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Same with D800: Incredibly useful low ISO dynamic range. You can seemingly endlessly excavate shadows.

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In reply to ZAnton, Jul 27, 2013

ZAnton wrote:

Last holidays I was on Corsica and made some really high DR photos.

Here are some examples.

Original photo:

With +3EV gradient and shadows pulling in LR:

Similar adjustments here:

This is the another example:

Exposure +3.5

Shadows, Blacks +100

Whites, Highlights -100

Clarity +40, Contrast +95:

Here the photo was made out of a cave to a bright sunny day.

Exposure +0.9 Shadows +100 Blacks +95

Here also completely dark cave vs bright sunny day.

Exposure +1.5, shadows +85, blacks +10

Even though I do have some spots on the sensor (it was already cleaned once, I will send it again soon) I do not regret that I switched from 5D mk2 to Nikon.

I mean, Canon fanboys are claiming, that there is no use of high DR. "EXPOSE PROPERLY!"- BS. But I do use it very often, and I like photos I get. So here are some "real" photos, not lab-experiments.
I don't even want to think about how much noise Canon would give me after "Shadows +100, blacks +100".

Notice how the area's you pulled look totally dead colour and tonality wise? They are literally horrible to my eyes. It's (DR) is good. But not good enough for you to do this to the shots...

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on the last photo with cave -  yes, but i didn't bothered to work on the color there.

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The D600 and D800 have amazing dynamic range. Many a time I have salvaged photos which I butchered the exposure.

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ZAnton wrote:

on the last photo with cave - yes, but i didn't bothered to work on the color there.

Not just the last photo, all of them. It's just particularly bad. You cannot really "work" on the colour, it'll never be the same. It's lost...forever

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ZAnton wrote:

on the last photo with cave - yes, but i didn't bothered to work on the color there.

Not just the last photo, all of them. It's just particularly bad. You cannot really "work" on the colour, it'll never be the same. It's lost...forever

It's hard to say. The Fill and Hightlght sliders on most raw converters adversely affect color with even normally exposed images, let alone pushed ones. It's how the tonality curve is being compressed non-linearly while trying to maintain continuity across tonal regions. Not neccessarily the fault of the camera. If you instead develop 2 images separately with linear exposure pushes, and combine them by hand, it improves the color response. It would be interesting to see how they would look if the OP did it this way instead.

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primeshooter wrote:

ZAnton wrote:

on the last photo with cave - yes, but i didn't bothered to work on the color there.

Not just the last photo, all of them. It's just particularly bad. You cannot really "work" on the colour, it'll never be the same. It's lost...forever

Of course you can! Color is never "lost", there are many ways of bringing colors back to life

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no comment,

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primeshooter wrote:

ZAnton wrote:

on the last photo with cave - yes, but i didn't bothered to work on the color there.

Not just the last photo, all of them. It's just particularly bad. You cannot really "work" on the colour, it'll never be the same. It's lost...forever

First, ask yourself what the equivalent Canon shot would look like....then we can really have a discussion. 

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Benjamin Kanarek wrote:

In a word "WOW!"

Yup.  If this had been done with a Canon 5D3, it would have looked like a total disaster.

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primeshooter wrote:

ZAnton wrote:

on the last photo with cave - yes, but i didn't bothered to work on the color there.

Not just the last photo, all of them. It's just particularly bad. You cannot really "work" on the colour, it'll never be the same. It's lost...forever

Don't take it too seriously, but we have a saying: a pig will always find a mud.

Yes, the more you pull the shadows, the more you lose precision in color. What a surprise!

The photo in cave was made in extreme conditions. -5EV from what the exposure meter showed, and then pulling blacks and shadows.

O my God, after that the color is not precise!!! One can not kick the colors so, that his eyes will bleed?! Who on earth would expect this?!

The photo is usable. Clearly it is not an "award winning photo", and it is never meant to be. I made it on a shaky rotating boat between 30 tourist heads running around.

Another option - one can make the photo in flat B&W like you do

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In reply to reginalddwight, Jul 28, 2013

I almost never bother with exposure compensation on this camera (compared to previous ones) as I am fairly confident that I can tweak in post without penalty - maybe just a nudge down if the highlights look very strong. Having said that, matrix metering seems to choose correctly more often than not.

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Dave Luttmann wrote:

primeshooter wrote:

ZAnton wrote:

on the last photo with cave - yes, but i didn't bothered to work on the color there.

Not just the last photo, all of them. It's just particularly bad. You cannot really "work" on the colour, it'll never be the same. It's lost...forever

First, ask yourself what the equivalent Canon shot would look like....then we can really have a discussion.

Don't dispute that, the colour is still awful in these severely underexposed shots. I do this but nowhere near to the same extremes.

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primeshooter wrote:

Dave Luttmann wrote:

primeshooter wrote:

ZAnton wrote:

on the last photo with cave - yes, but i didn't bothered to work on the color there.

Not just the last photo, all of them. It's just particularly bad. You cannot really "work" on the colour, it'll never be the same. It's lost...forever

First, ask yourself what the equivalent Canon shot would look like....then we can really have a discussion.

Don't dispute that, the colour is still awful in these severely underexposed shots. I do this but nowhere near to the same extremes.

That's the point.  With the Nikon, we at least have a useable picture.  I agree, there is tonal and color truncation because of the limited bit depth at that level.  That said, the same image from a Canon body wold be unuseable.

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ZAnton wrote:

primeshooter wrote:

ZAnton wrote:

on the last photo with cave - yes, but i didn't bothered to work on the color there.

Not just the last photo, all of them. It's just particularly bad. You cannot really "work" on the colour, it'll never be the same. It's lost...forever

Don't take it too seriously, but we have a saying: a pig will always find a mud.

Yes, the more you pull the shadows, the more you lose precision in color. What a surprise!

The photo in cave was made in extreme conditions. -5EV from what the exposure meter showed, and then pulling blacks and shadows.

O my God, after that the color is not precise!!! One can not kick the colors so, that his eyes will bleed?! Who on earth would expect this?!

The photo is usable. Clearly it is not an "award winning photo", and it is never meant to be. I made it on a shaky rotating boat between 30 tourist heads running around.

Another option - one can make the photo in flat B&W like you do

I agree, even when one loses some color and contrast, as expected (you are dealing with 2-3 bits range in some areas), it's amazing how much info one still has available, and with no banding and weird artifacts. The Sony sensors are the cream of the crop still, no doubt about that.

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Me to Agree with this . Nikon D600 Has well Dynamic Rang.

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Andre Affleck wrote:

It's hard to say. The Fill and Hightlght sliders on most raw converters adversely affect color with even normally exposed images, let alone pushed ones. It's how the tonality curve is being compressed non-linearly while trying to maintain continuity across tonal regions. Not neccessarily the fault of the camera. If you instead develop 2 images separately with linear exposure pushes, and combine them by hand, it improves the color response.

This doesn't always work. Works when you've got some bright highlights, some deep shadows to lift, and nothing in between; and can do two exposures. But if you've got a more "balanced" wide-DR scene with the histogram filled at all levels, it gets more difficult to keep the image lively and colours reasonable while squeezing the scene DR of say 12+ stops to the output viewable 8 stops. LR is quite effective, but can't do miracles. Local adjustments (like sw grad ND, manual dodging and burning) may help further sometimes. This wouldn't be a problem if we had wide-DR displays.

For similar wide-DR images, when shadows need to be lifted and highlights are less important, for quick adjustment in LR I often sink Highlights, lift Exposure, then lift Shadows further if required, but reduce Blacks a bit to bring back some contrast and reduce noise in the shadows. I'd expect that reducing Highlights should have a similar effect at the other end, but mostly I can't seem to get much use of it for some reason (?).

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