HP Printers?

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Jul 23, 2013

Rip Van Winkle here. I have been working with the HP Photosmart 7960 and 8750.  After getting around some maintenance quirks (reset the roller clutch; clean the transparent cable; etc.), I have been getting nice prints.

But all I really read about are Epson and Canon, reasonably so.  Does HP have any serious advanced hobbyist, semi-professional printers for home use any more?  I do notice that the HP Premium Plus Photo Paper doesn't seem to come in larger sizes, which may say something?  Thanks.

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One thing that Epson printers have over all others is the ability to clog their print heads and require cleaning cycles which suck up the fabulously expensive ink.  Every Epson printer that I've ever owned had its heads clog up and become useless. HP and Canon put their print heads on the ink cartridges.

I too would like HP to be a viable competitor to Canon and Epson, but find that they don't separate their ink colors as much.  If you want fine gradation, you are really locked into those two.  And of those two, the only one I would consider is Canon.

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mgatov wrote:  One thing that Epson printers have over all others is the ability to clog their print heads and require cleaning cycles which suck up the fabulously expensive ink. Every Epson printer that I've ever owned had its heads clog up and become useless. HP and Canon put their print heads on the ink cartridges.

Certainly in the olden days, Epson printers did clog, even with larger nozzle sizes.  However, certainly for the past 4+ years, none of my Epsons (dye and pigment - both with high quality compatible inks) have suffered any clogs - even when left for (due visits to family in UK) 3 or more weeks at a time.  I just cover the printhead with some kitchen clingfilm (food wrapping) and the printer works fine when home again.  I understand that all modern Epsons have coated nozzles - something like non-stick Teflon used for cooking utensils.  My Canon i9500 certainly did clog, regularly, until it ceased to work altogether - just out of warranty of course and not many prints done either.  The repair costs quoted by Canon were so high - I bought an Epson 1400 for around half the cost which would have included carriage to and from Madrid - not inexpensive!  Anyone want it - with lots of inks and a CIS (new as are the inks) as it sits unloved.  Wasn't a patch (anyway) in terms of photo output compared to the Epsons, hence me not really being that interested.  Just cannot get myself to chuck it on the local tip.

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In reply to Gesture, Jul 23, 2013

Hi Rip,

I just got rid of an HP b9180 (13X19 Photosmart printer) after 5-years and thousands of bucks in ink. Most of that ink was wasted in HP cleaning cycles even though I printed some really nice stuff along the way. I have had an Epson 3880 for about 6-month. It's a lot cheaper on inks and doesn't continuously waste it like the HP did. The prints are much nicer too. Also, I don't think this Epson model is prone to clogs. I haven't experienced any so far, but it's not long enough to tell for certain.

Consumers Union (Consumer Reports) just did a comparison test on a bunch of printers regarding the cost of wasted ink. I don't have the magazine in front of be but as I recall, HP was at the bottom of the heap wasting somewhere over $136 per year! Also, some companies (I think in CA) sued HP a few years ago over algorithms that HP incorporated into their software that caused the overuse and wasting of ink. I only know this because I actually received a judgement settlement offer from them. It amounted to some $5 and change but stipulated that I could no longer bring suit against HP for that issue if I accepted. I declined but vowed never again to buy one of their products.

So Rip, I'd recommend keeping away from HP printers. If it's photos you want to print, then Epson, followed by Canon, dominate the market. And please see if you can get a copy of the latest Consumers Report magazine.

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Rip Van Winkle here. I have been working with the HP Photosmart 7960 and 8750. After getting around some maintenance quirks (reset the roller clutch; clean the transparent cable; etc.), I have been getting nice prints.

But all I really read about are Epson and Canon, reasonably so. Does HP have any serious advanced hobbyist, semi-professional printers for home use any more? I do notice that the HP Premium Plus Photo Paper doesn't seem to come in larger sizes, which may say something? Thanks.

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Thanks for the info.  I'm learning that these printers require maintenance.  Cone has some good tutorials online showing how to blot the ink pad, clean the printhead wiper, clean around the projections that pierce the ink cartridges, etc.  So how maintenance-friendly a printer is is becoming more important to me.

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I don't believe that HP found the "Pro" market to be to their liking.  They made major investments but have withdrawn I believe. I have 2 HP printers and each served me well...very well actually but they're MD'd now and software patches to match operating system updates are nonexistent.

For my needs the HP head cleaning system was excellent.  As I was often on "walkabout" for many weeks and would find my Epsons to be badly clogged when I returned.  The extra few $$ a year to prevent this was money well spent...but not everyone agrees.   I notice that Canon seems to be adopting a similar type plan.

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In reply to Gesture, Jul 24, 2013

On July 7, 2010, I posted an official statement to me from Porter-Novelli, HP's public-relations agency regarding the fate of its higher-end desktop printer line. I was asking specifically about the B9180, but the reply was more wide-ranging. My advice to you: Buy an Epson or Canon printer. I own two HP Z3100 printers (a 44-inch and a 24-inch), and I would not it again.

By "B-sized," they mean 13 x 9 inches (actually 9.84 x 13.9 inches or 250 x 353 mm).

You can read my original posting below, but I posted this originally in the thread:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/35743899

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In an e-mail conversation today [July 7, 2010] with HP's media-relations agency about a different printer matter, I asked about the fate of the market served by the highly regarded but now discontinued HP B9180. Here is the answer, word for word, without any added commentary or grammatical corrections from me:

"Beginning fall 2009, HP also began discontinuing it B-sized printers in the consumer inkjet portfolio, including the HP Photosmart Pro B9180. Though many of the B-sized products are no longer available from HP directly, HP continues to offer Original HP inks and specialty media compatible with these printers so owners can continue to enjoy optimal quality, reliability and ease of use when printing photos or documents. To meet the needs of advanced prosumers looking for professional printing solutions, HP offers the HP Designjet 130 printer and the HP Designjet Z Series photo printers as an alternative."

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All together now .....

"I am HP HP why? I am HP HP why? I know I am, I'm sure I am, yes ....

I'm HP HP why!

(But not me, though!)

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Thanks for that official word.  That's what I surmised when I couldn't find larger size HP paper. Will keep working with the 7960 and 8750 for fun with old carts bought off eBay, but ...  No different than seeing what I can do with 7-10 year old digital cameras.

Also, I think this is a good reason to have an established relationship with a good Epson or Canon reseller when getting a printer that costs $1K plus.  They will have the necessary technical support and can run interference if there is a problem with a unit.

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It's definitely hard to compete.

Canon has been selling PIXMA PRO 100 for $100 net ($400 minus $300 rebate with purchase of printer and a $38 package of paper).

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In reply to Gesture, Jul 25, 2013

I have an HP z3200ps 44" 12iink printer,
it is a current model but is a pro model, I could only afford it because I bought it at printshop banckrupty sale.

Nothing prints better, and It can profile 3rd party paper.

At smaller sizes I use an Epson R3000.
But Better printing quality would be available from a canon Pro 1 or Epson 4900.
I think HP might reenter the smaller printer market if the ProX page wide printers do well.

They would simply need 3x the number of heads and ink tanks,

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mgatov wrote:

One thing that Epson printers have over all others is the ability to clog their print heads and require cleaning cycles which suck up the fabulously expensive ink. Every Epson printer that I've ever owned had its heads clog up and become useless. HP and Canon put their print heads on the ink cartridges.

I too would like HP to be a viable competitor to Canon and Epson, but find that they don't separate their ink colors as much. If you want fine gradation, you are really locked into those two. And of those two, the only one I would consider is Canon.

Funny, that I am currently operating 13 Epson and 2 Canon printers. No problems with ANY of them.
If you just use them rather than letting them sit for weeks unused they would not clog.

Yes, Canon and HP have the advantage of user replaceable print heads but guess what, they will also clog from non use or dry environment.

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I'm glad you had a different experience than I.  None of my Canons or HPs have ever failed me.  With epson... every single one has clogged. YMMV.

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well that's exactly it, Joe.  I love to print but only for me, not commercially.  I regularly spend weeks at a time where I don't print at all.  Upon returning from road trips I would usually find my Epson unusable, the HP fired right up and printed.  This was a very big plus for me.  I recognize that the HP used ink to keep the heads clear but the estimated $100/yr cost of the wasted ink  was money well spent.

I'm sorry to see them leave the market.

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mgatov wrote:

I'm glad you had a different experience than I. None of my Canons or HPs have ever failed me. With epson... every single one has clogged. YMMV.

OK well, let's see. I have the following printers.

EPSON

Photo R340 ( Never clogs )

Photo R380 ( Never clogs )

Artisan 720 in CISSS with IS INKS ( never clogs regardless )

Stylus 1400 - two of them ( Never clogs )

Stylus 2200 - three of them ( a few nozzles will clog is left unused for 2-3 weeks - one cleaning will resolve it )

Photo R1900 - two of them ( a few nozzles will clog is left unused for 2-3 weeks - one cleaning will resolve it )

Photo R2000 ( Never clogs )

Photo R2400 ( Never clogs )

Photo R2880 ( Never clogs )

PRO 3800 - two of them ( Never clogs )

CANON

PRO 9000 MKII - three of them ( Never clogs )

PRO 9500 MKII - two of then ( Never clogs )

Only one is using OEM inks, the R2000, the rest run on Image Specialists inks, CONE inks, and OCP inks.

So as you can see I am either the luckiest printer owner and operator in the world, or maybe... I know what to do to keep printers from clogging regardless of brand.

Joe

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dmaclau wrote:

well that's exactly it, Joe. I love to print but only for me, not commercially. I regularly spend weeks at a time where I don't print at all. Upon returning from road trips I would usually find my Epson unusable, the HP fired right up and printed. This was a very big plus for me. I recognize that the HP used ink to keep the heads clear but the estimated $100/yr cost of the wasted ink was money well spent.

I'm sorry to see them leave the market.

OK well, let's see. I have the following printers.

EPSON

Photo R340 ( Never clogs )

Photo R380 ( Never clogs )

Artisan 720 in CISSS with IS INKS ( never clogs regardless )

Stylus 1400 - two of them ( Never clogs )

Stylus 2200 - three of them ( a few nozzles will clog is left unused for 2-3 weeks - one cleaning will resolve it )

Photo R1900 - two of them ( a few nozzles will clog is left unused for 2-3 weeks - one cleaning will resolve it )

Photo R2000 ( Never clogs )

Photo R2400 ( Never clogs )

Photo R2880 ( Never clogs )

PRO 3800 - two of them ( Never clogs )

CANON

PRO 9000 MKII - three of them ( Never clogs )

PRO 9500 MKII - two of then ( Never clogs )

Only one is using OEM inks, the R2000, the rest run on Image Specialists inks, CONE inks, and OCP inks.

So as you can see I am either the luckiest printer owner and operator in the world, or maybe... I know what to do to keep printers from clogging regardless of brand.

Joe

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In reply to jtoolman, Jul 26, 2013

I have to ask-

What exactly do you do that you need so many printers of

different makes and models?

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savonie wrote:

I have to ask-

What exactly do you do that you need so many printers of

different makes and models?

Most of them except for the Canons and the Artisan were purchased used, the majority would have been tossed by many, I serviced them and got them back to nearly mint condition.

I print for local organizations and schools. I was an active duty combat photographer since 1969 ( served 21 years ) and now that I've finally fully retired, I now do commercial work as well as events, I do image restoration locally for a couple of historical societies and individuals which that alone supports all of my printers and supplies, and I also shoot a lot simply for my own pleasure. I also teach printing techniques at local photography clubs. So basically have saved them from the landfill and I am constantly looking for any more deserving printers.

It's the best fun I've had to this day!

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Great story!

Thanks for the reply-

Monty

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In reply to jtoolman, Jul 26, 2013

"You the Man, Joe!"  That's also a lot of printers.  Perhaps the anti-clog technology changed over the last 5 or so years.  I have been running one Dye and one Pigment printer.  I have been on extended "walkabout" for up to several months at a time.  I never had good luck with the Epson.  I never had a problem with the HP.

I notice that this new Canon Pro 100 runs some sort of (noisy) routine on occasion.  I'm guessing it's head maintenance of some sort

On the bright side...I sort of replaced the dye ink printer for under $100 and I've been wanting to invest in my own equipment for Platinum prints but couldn't quite justify it on a fixed income.  Now that I'm looking down the barrel of a $1400 expense anyway...perhaps I'll forego the Pigment machine and go in a new direction.

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