RX100 vs RX100M2 RAW samples from ISO100 to 6400

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Roland Schulz
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RX100 vs RX100M2 RAW samples from ISO100 to 6400
Jul 19, 2013

Since I got my RX100M2 today I did some tests. If you like to compare yourself you can download the RAW files below.

Here´s a sample of what you get, both ISO400 100% crops, f6.3 at ceiling lightning. Left is RX100, right is RX100M2.

Please don´t ask me to do close up portraits of Ernie, don´t ask me for how much the Accuphase will be sold, it won´t any soon. The D4 is only for holding the 85 1.4G for showing how both cameras handle the reflections in the front lens .
Please don´t ask me for my conclusion, I don´t really have them yet. Have your own findings...

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http://www.rhs-net.com/storage/RX100vsRX100M2_ISO100-ISO800.zip   (144MB)

http://www.rhs-net.com/storage/RX100vsRX100M2_ISO1600-ISO6400.zip   (114MB)

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In reply to Roland Schulz, Jul 19, 2013

Thanks for posting this. I'm actually afraid to even look. LOL!

Maybe later.

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can I have ernie?

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In reply to EthanP99, Jul 19, 2013

I am definitely not an experiences photographer with  untrained eye; however, the photo on the left is the one that appears brighter and sharper. Are you sure the M2 is the one on the right?

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palermo22 wrote:

I am definitely not an experiences photographer with untrained eye; however, the photo on the left is the one that appears brighter and sharper. Are you sure the M2 is the one on the right?

What do you mean "is he sure"? It's been noted before, that mkII RAW performance doesn't appear to be better than mkI.

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In reply to Roland Schulz, Jul 19, 2013

On first inspection the left shot looks better.  I actually misread your post so thought this was the MK2, so it seemed to make sense. I thought that maybe the same ISO gave a greater sensitivity on the MK2 meaning it was brighter, but this is obviously not the case.

Since the MK2 is supposed to have a better sensor I will try to give it the benefit of the doubt.

Perhaps the right image is showing a greater dynamic range, meaning things of the same brightness are recorded slightly darker leaving room for something even brighter which would otherwise be blown out on the left image.  So to get the same as the more vibrant image on the left you would have to expose a little more, which would then reveal more shadow detail.

If this test could be done with a dynamic range chart it may reveal whether this is the case at all.

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very revealing when put into Lightroom 5
In reply to Roland Schulz, Jul 19, 2013

Roland Schulz wrote:

Since I got my RX100M2 today I did some tests. If you like to compare yourself you can download the RAW files below.

Here´s a sample of what you get, both ISO400 100% crops, f6.3 at ceiling lightning. Left is RX100, right is RX100M2.

Please don´t ask me to do close up portraits of Ernie, don´t ask me for how much the Accuphase will be sold, it won´t any soon. The D4 is only for holding the 85 1.4G for showing how both cameras handle the reflections in the front lens .
Please don´t ask me for my conclusion, I don´t really have them yet. Have your own findings...

Regards,
Roland.

http://www.rhs-net.com/storage/RX100vsRX100M2_ISO100-ISO800.zip (144MB)

http://www.rhs-net.com/storage/RX100vsRX100M2_ISO1600-ISO6400.zip (114MB)

Thanks for these.

Putting the ISO1600-6400 shots into Lightroom 5, I see that (like the Imaging-resource samples) the mkI shots appear to have a bit more detail and are a bit brighter at the same exposure as the mkII shots. The mkII shots are less exposed (at ISO 1600-3200 by about a 1/3 stop and at ISO 6400 almost 1/2 stop I think), have less noise in the shadow areas, but also have a bit less detail - kinda looks like mkI shots with boosted noise reduction. If you equalize the difference in exposure, the apparent difference in shadow area noise will be be reduced. I assume that the lighting is identical for the shots? This would make the mkII sensor a bit less sensitive than the mkI sensor, which is interesting considering the Sony claims about increased sensitivity!

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...This would make the mkII sensor a bit less sensitive than the mkI sensor, which is interesting considering the Sony claims about increased sensitivity!

I also was surprised that the "light meter" in the camera showed me "-0.3" EV when shooting the M2 in the very same conditions with the same settings I used with the M1 before.

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My guess is there will be a firmware update to make things 'better' for the M2.

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Sgt93 wrote:

My guess is there will be a firmware update to make things 'better' for the M2.

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Sony never gave us that. I've waited an update for rx100, and RX1 not happened, and not gonna happen I am sure.

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Wait for LR5 and ACR updates...
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...since I found that there seems to be a problem with Adobe´s camera profiles. The profiles we use seem to be for the RX100 that is somewhat different from color response to the M2.
I tried to make a profile using Color Checker Passport, but the profile doesn´t appear after generation, only from the M1.
By the way I like the genuine Adobe profiles more than the custom made ones using CCP, so may be we shouldn´t judge the camera for it´s color response yet.
Roland.

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Roland Schulz wrote:

...since I found that there seems to be a problem with Adobe´s camera profiles. The profiles we use seem to be for the RX100 that is somewhat different from color response to the M2.
I tried to make a profile using Color Checker Passport, but the profile doesn´t appear after generation, only from the M1.
By the way I like the genuine Adobe profiles more than the custom made ones using CCP, so may be we shouldn´t judge the camera for it´s color response yet.
Roland.

Interesting point.

I just looked at your photo comparison and it worried me a lot, but I will wait as you say.

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KnightFall wrote:

Sgt93 wrote:

My guess is there will be a firmware update to make things 'better' for the M2.

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Sony never gave us that. I've waited an update for rx100, and RX1 not happened, and not gonna happen I am sure.

Not likely, nor with Oly.  Panasonic is the only maker that really does significant firmware upgrades.  But I returned the LX7 and kept the RX100.

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forgot the update for the Nex 5 etc.??
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KnightFall wrote:

Sgt93 wrote:

My guess is there will be a firmware update to make things 'better' for the M2.

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Sony never gave us that. I've waited an update for rx100, and RX1 not happened, and not gonna happen I am sure.

Not likely, nor with Oly. Panasonic is the only maker that really does significant firmware upgrades. But I returned the LX7 and kept the RX100.

With the NEX5´s update Sony gave us great new features like peaking etc.. But I still wish they would bring a better bracketing at least...

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Thanks for sharing. IMO the choice between RX100 and RX100II is not in IQ but rather in features and price.

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Donald Chin wrote:

Thanks for sharing. IMO the choice between RX100 and RX100II is not in IQ but rather in features and price.

It's certainly about features and price. But I think that it is also about image quality. After all, Sony claimed improved sensor and image quality with the new sensor, not worse...

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Arn wrote:

Donald Chin wrote:

Thanks for sharing. IMO the choice between RX100 and RX100II is not in IQ but rather in features and price.

It's certainly about features and price. But I think that it is also about image quality. After all, Sony claimed improved sensor and image quality with the new sensor, not worse...

I'm a native raw shooter, from what I've seen so far the IQ of the two is insignificant, you can find similar result from DxOMark too.

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I'm thinking to buy the RX100...the picture on the left is better !!!

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Matter of sharpening
In reply to Roland Schulz, Jul 20, 2013

It has been said before: il looks as if the new Sony produces softer pictures, but the details are still there.

Imaging Resource said that the first Sony did more aggressive sharpening....

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eivissa1 wrote:

It has been said before: il looks as if the new Sony produces softer pictures, but the details are still there.

Imaging Resource said that the first Sony did more aggressive sharpening....

From what I tried, I actually couldn't produce the details that are in the mkI image by increasing sharpening in the mkII image. I don't think it's a matter of sharpening (and Imaging-resource was talking about JPGs). Anyway, the difference is quite small, but the fact that the mkII doesn't seem to improve RAW image quality. And there is still the fact that mkI's sensor seems to be 1/3 to 1/2 a stop more sensitive.

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