Black/white photos seem sepia on my new Asus Vivobook

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Errrwin
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Black/white photos seem sepia on my new Asus Vivobook
Jul 19, 2013

Hi guys,

I recently bought an ASUS VIVOBOOK S550CB-CJ088H. Installed LR5 for some of my amateur photography (mainly black/white streetphotography) but now photographs I know should be in black/white turn up brownish/sepia-ish on my screen.

Example: http://www.18a.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/20130714Fog.jpg

The weird thing is that the photograph which is resized by Wordpress shows up in black/white as it is supposed too.

Example: http://www.18a.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/20130714Fog-700x466.jpg

Original photo is shot in fullcolorur RAW imported as DNG in LR5 and processed there. Exported to jpg and uploaded to Wordpress.

Does anybody have any idea what is wrong? Is it something in my LR5 export settings? Did something in my laptopsettings get screwed up?

Any ideas?

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Leon Obers
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Re: Black/white photos seem sepia on my new Asus Vivobook
In reply to Errrwin, Jul 20, 2013

Errrwin wrote:

Does anybody have any idea what is wrong? Is it something in my LR5 export settings? Did something in my laptopsettings get screwed up?

Nothing wrong with LR5, just your color management settings, within the used OS, applications or calibration of the laptob screen seems to be screwed up.

Black/white pictures with equal RGB values per definition is pure neutral "gray scale", so shout also should be show up as b/w or grayscale.

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In reply to Errrwin, Jul 20, 2013

It's the setup of your monitor - the opened file on my desktop and netbook both showed as neutral B+W.  Check you have latest drivers installed and see if the graphics side has a utility to change the display on the screen.  It's not the image file.

If you cannot easily find "how" - check the manufacturer's website and if necessary, post a question to their support people.

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In reply to Zone8, Jul 20, 2013

+1

Neutral on my calibrated Eizo and Dell 2209w.

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In reply to Errrwin, Jul 20, 2013

You need to calibrate your screen, also some interesting info .

TIP, set the calibration software to create monitor profiles V2 and Matrix and not V4 and/or LUT, this will give you less problems .

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In reply to Pictus, Jul 21, 2013

I had the dame issue.
Is not monitor calibration.
It isn't something in colour configuration.
I'll comment back with a real answer when I get back home.. don't mess up with the monitor.. it is not guilty but your video drivers messing with windows perhaps...

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In reply to bolador, Jul 21, 2013

bolador wrote:

I had the dame issue.
Is not monitor calibration.
It isn't something in colour configuration.
I'll comment back with a real answer when I get back home.. don't mess up with the monitor.. it is not guilty but your video drivers messing with windows perhaps...

Well here I am...

In windows Seven (is may case)

go to color administration (search in the line over the Start button)

in Device (first tab) search in Device (fist line ) scroll down and select your monitor.

Then in the bigger box below it reads "Profiles ICC"

I added " Adobe RGB (1998) D65 WP 2.2 gamma" and problem was solved...

BUT

Disclaimer: I have no idea if this profile is the best to be used, I only know that sepia thing went away. there was a Samsung profile there originally..

IF ANY ONE SUGGEST ANOTHER IT WILL BE WELCOME ...

My Windows is not in English so I translated the best way I thought I would read in English. so be flexible with windows/menus titles..

regards

PS. I can see perfect BW pictures in Both your examples from here configured that way

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Jim Cockfield
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Splendid settings, use a color managed viewer
In reply to Errrwin, Jul 21, 2013

Errrwin wrote:

Hi guys,

I recently bought an ASUS VIVOBOOK S550CB-CJ088H. Installed LR5 for some of my amateur photography (mainly black/white streetphotography) but now photographs I know should be in black/white turn up brownish/sepia-ish on my screen.

It looks like your Asus model has a feature they're calling "Splendid", which may be trying to enhance the colors in some cases. See your models features here:

http://www.asus.com/Notebooks_Ultrabooks/ASUS_VivoBook_S550CB/#features

So, I'd probably disable anything that is trying to enhance the look of images if possible.

Example: http://www.18a.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/20130714Fog.jpg

The weird thing is that the photograph which is resized by Wordpress shows up in black/white as it is supposed too.

Example: http://www.18a.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/20130714Fog-700x466.jpg

Original photo is shot in fullcolorur RAW imported as DNG in LR5 and processed there. Exported to jpg and uploaded to Wordpress.

I'm not seeing any issues with those photos (both look B&W to me with no color casts when using Firefox.

But, the smaller image does not have any embedded profile; and the larger image does have a correct sRGB profile embedded.

Smaller Image (no embedded profile), as you can see from Jeffrey's Exif Viewer.

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?b=3&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.18a.nl%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F07%2F20130714Fog-700x466.jpg&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.18a.nl%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F07%2F20130714Fog-700x466.jpg

Large Image (correct embedded sRGB Profile). You can expand the color profile section at the bottom for more info, but the embedded profile is the correct one for an sRGB image.

http://regex.info/exif.cgi?b=3&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.18a.nl%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F07%2F20130714Fog.jpg&imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.18a.nl%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F07%2F20130714Fog.jpg

So, your display settings are probably causing the issues, especially if the image with a profile looks wrong.. As others have mentioned, you may need to calibrate it.

Or, you may be trying to view them with a browser that's not color managed. Or, you may be trying to view them with a browser that only supports Version 2 profiles when using a Version 4 profile (as not all browsers support v4 profiles).

If the viewers or internet browsers you're using are not color managed, that may be part of the problem, even if you're using a calibrated display with the correct (color managed) .icc profile set as the default in Windows color management settings.

BTW, here's a good add-on for Firefox for setting your basic color management preferences:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/color-management/

I keep mine set as follows (and I point my install to a specific profile, versus using the System defaults). You can go to Tools>Add-ons and you'll see a Preferences button after that add-on is installed (and a restart of Firefox is required after any changes).

Basic Section:

View: original size

Advanced Section:

View: original size

Here's a good test to see if your browsers support v2 and/or v4 profiles:

http://cameratico.com/tools/web-browser-color-management-test/

As previously mentioned, some browsers will only work properly with v2 profiles.

BTW, here's another very good test page:

http://www.gballard.net/psd/go_live_page_profile/embeddedJPEGprofiles.html

If you roll your mouse over the top left image on that page and it looks identical the way it looks without a mouse over, then your browser is color managed.

Without a mouse over the image is tagged as Adobe RGB, and with a mouse over you're seeing an image tagged as sRGB. With my Firefox and Chrome installs, the images are identical, with or without a mouse over. But, if I use a non color managed browser (for example, Aurora), the Adobe RGB tagged image looks very dull and flat in comparison. So, seeing how your different browsers react to a mouse over should give you an idea of how they work:

http://www.gballard.net/psd/go_live_page_profile/embeddedJPEGprofiles.html

Here's a post about a "trick" I'll sometimes use to make a v4 profile work properly (as it appears to convert them to a v2 profile), just by stepping through the calibration screens without making any changes and saving a new profile.

Or, if you don't have any profile you're using, it can also create one via "eye balling" and saving a new one.  But, it's not going to be very accurate compared to one created using calibration hardware.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51326953

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Errrwin
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Re: Black/white photos seem sepia on my new Asus Vivobook
In reply to Errrwin, Jul 26, 2013

Sorry for not getting back any sooner, been quite busy.

Anyway, thanks a lot for all your replies. I will try stuff when I get back home and let you know how things turn out.

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