* Wed C&C (No Theme) Thread, Ed. 273, 13 07 17 *

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* Wed C&C (No Theme) Thread, Ed. 273, 13 07 17 *
Jul 17, 2013

Welcome to the Wednesday Comments and Critique (No Theme) thread!

We’re continuing the great tradition of this C&C thread because we’re convinced that looking at and talking about images is vital for better photography, and also useful for understanding and appreciating our gear.

The idea is simple: you post an image and get critique on it, and in return give other people your opinion of their images. Or vice versa: you give others your honest feedback, and in return deserve the right to post your own picture for C&C.

Generally, you should post only one single image for C&C. As an exception, you can post two pictures resulting from one shutter release but with different treatment (for example a color and a black & white version, or a different crop) for us to choose from and comment on.

TWO RULES:

1.If you post an image, you critique at least one other image.

2.Keep your comments honest but polite; if you don’t care for an image, try to explain why. This is neither a “Good shot!” nor an image-bashing thread.

Any style, any camera. It is a peer-to-peer photography workshop!

Feedback is guaranteed (for up to 48 hours after the thread has started)! Though keep in mind that the thread tends to be busiest during the first 24 hours or so, so later image posts may get little feedback.

HOW TO PLAY:

1.Turn on "Threaded view" and reply to this post with a web-sized image. Change the title so we can sort different images out easily!

2.Get back to this thread in a minute, an hour or a day or so, and…

3.…still in threaded view, look at one or more pictures of your choice, click reply and critique it.

4.Remember to add the EXIF if your image doesn't embed it as this may help

5.Image posters: please consider telling us what your own opinion on your image is. What prompted you to click that shutter button? What did you see? Why do you like the result? You don't have to explain, but it might be interesting.

6.You are very welcome to post agroup replyto the feedback you have gotten. This could include a new version of your image, taking on board the comments received. Please try not to reply individually to every comment so as not to fill up the thread on your own.

IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME, WELCOME! AND BE SURE TO READ THIS:

•The critique you give (point 3 from the above list) is vital. What was your first impression? What catches your eye about an image? Why? What do you like, and what distracts you? What would you change?

•Fiddle with the image in your head - composition, perspective, color balance, exposure. If the poster of the image does not object, you may even consider downloading his image and fiddling with it for real, to illustrate your point.

•More general feedback is also welcome. Do you know something about taking the same sort of image that would make matters easier - share your own as an example in your reply. Encourage - it is a scary business putting your work up for other people to judge!

•Finally what is the verdict? Waste-bin? Snapshot? Could be better? Family Album? Frame on wall? Poster-size frame on wall? Billboard? Reuters? World Press Photo? National Geographic? Museum? (pick your own superlative here)

One of the first replies is “The Related Post”. This is the place to post your general, not image-specific musings about this great enterprise called the C&C Thread.

Another of the first replies includes a link to all previous threads. This is called "Our Archives Vault".

Andrew (19andrew47)

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*The Related Post *
In reply to 19andrew47, Jul 17, 2013

This is a placeholder for anything related to the C&C threads. And we do mean anything: feel free to start a discussion about the threads, or how you felt when your image was trashed by some mean know-it-all (probably not in this thread, though), or how it feels trying to say something polite about a cr @ ppy image posted for review (tough one).

This is also the place to make arrangements and share ideas for keeping this thread alive and kicking. Or for starting a new "Photo Essay" or "Series" thread, as has been suggested in the past (plenty of “Weekly” this-and-that threads around, so why not?).

The C&C participants will be more than happy to consider all input. Eager, even.

Andrew

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In reply to 19andrew47, Jul 17, 2013

Here is the list of all recent editions of this wonderful experiment: our weekly exercise in ruthless peer-to-peer coaching for better photography; a refuge from gear discussions.

Recent editions:

Week 272 July 10, 2012 - by 19andrew48 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51780764

Week 271 July 03, 2013 - by 19andrew47 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51740175

Week 270 June 26, 2013 - by 19andrew47 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51702010

Week 269 June 19, 2013 - by 19andrew47 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51663951

Week 268 June 12, 2013 - by 19andrew47 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51624855

Week 267 June 05, 2013 - by 19andrew47 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51585716

Week 266 May 29, 2013 - by 19andrew47 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51545941

Week 265 May 22, 2013 - by 19andrew47 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51506915

Week 264 May 15, 2013 - by 19andrew47 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51468087

Week 263 May 8, 2013 - by 19andrew47 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51426258

Week 262 May 1, 2013 - by 19andrew47 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51386658

Week 261 April 24, 2013 - by 19andrew47 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51345476

Week 260 April 17, 2013 - by 19andrew47 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51304082

Week 259 April 10, 2013 - by 19andrew47 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51259357

Week 258 April 3, 2013 - by 19andrew47 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51201856

Week 257 Mar 27, 2013 - by 19andrew47 http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/51165522

Week 256 Mar 20, 2013 - by 19andrew47) http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/51120138

Week 255 (Mar 13, 2013 - by 19andrew47) http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/51027207

Week 254 (Mar 06, 2013 - by Zindanfel) http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50988892

Week 253 (Feb 27, 2013 - by 19andrew47) http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50937262

Week 252 (Feb 20, 2013 - by 19andrew47) http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50891576

Week 251 (Feb 13, 2013 - by Lou Holland) http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50851097

Week 250 (Feb 6, 2013) - by Lou Holland) http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50807522

Week 249 (Jan 30, 2013 - by Lou Holland) http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50765099

Week 248 (Jan 23, 2013 - by Lou Holland) http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50720984

Week 247 (Jan 16, 2013 - by Lou Holland) http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50677069

All threads of 2012:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50996742

All threads of 2011:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=40228457

All threads of 2010:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=37375543

All threads of 2009:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=34168706

All threads of 2008:

(Jonas started this thread on April 2, 2008) http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=30596254

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In reply to 19andrew47, Jul 17, 2013

Under a tent at night outside at a charity event for the Canadian Cancer Society.  A fairly heavy crop and with OM Flash grip and flash on E-1.

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In reply to 19andrew47, Jul 17, 2013

Hi mate, I would name this one the Artist, as we don't get to see the painted face. I like the concentration on the woman's face, it would make an interesting duo if you had a photo from over the artist shoulder as well.

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The Cross...
In reply to 19andrew47, Jul 17, 2013

Hi everyone, this one was photographed at the same time and place as last weeks image. Again it is a play on the angles of the building.

Part three next week.

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Stephen.

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In reply to 19andrew47, Jul 17, 2013

We're not so big, after all... Big brother walks on the mountain looking for a good angle. Miles after miles of almost uninhabitated landscape lies in front of us. This peak is called Blästerfjället an the valley on the left is called Örndalen (The Eagle valley). I was hoping for a bit more drama but the rocks were so small I couldn't use them... any suggestions on how I could get the drama?

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In reply to Fixxxer, Jul 17, 2013

Hi mate, another beautiful place. The rocks are not to small, you just have to get down to their level.

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These might be a little bigger than yours, but using a wide angle lens and getting down and close it appears that they are a lot larger.

Different day/camera but the same rocks now only play a minor role.

I don't have it at hand at the moment but I remember the strange looks I received as I lay on a walkway, in the snow to make two small rock appear large in the foreground in the Australian Alps.

So go wide with your lens and get amongst it, you might find the image that you are looking for.

Regards.

Stephen.

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Fixxxer wrote:

We're not so big, after all... Big brother walks on the mountain looking for a good angle. Miles after miles of almost uninhabitated landscape lies in front of us. This peak is called Blästerfjället an the valley on the left is called Örndalen (The Eagle valley). I was hoping for a bit more drama but the rocks were so small I couldn't use them... any suggestions on how I could get the drama?

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Hi mate, me again I loved the drama in the Landscape and the Skyscape, so I had a little play.

A little over the top, but I like it, how about you?

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In reply to stephent, Jul 17, 2013

You are right on about the title.  I have been pretty busy lately and didn't have anything ready for the thread.  Had been out to the beach with our grandson and just arrived home.  I usually try to get an image ready a couple of days before but it didn't happen this week and at 10:00 pm I was busy going through some archives looking for a different image when I came upon this one.  Had to process it and put it and the thread up while my wife was waiting for me to join her to watch some television.  Had already used Face Painting so picked the other title even though it didn't seem right.

Thanks for commenting,

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In reply to stephent, Jul 17, 2013

Some nice graphic lines in this.  The light coming through the openings in the sails creates some distractions though.  I did a quick clone job to try removal and I think it can be done by someone with superior skills to mine.  The cloning here is not invisible!  Image below will be removed when I post next week's thread.

On a different note, if I had not seen the image from last week, I would not have known what I was looking at here.

Andrew

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Speedster..

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In reply to Fixxxer, Jul 17, 2013

A nice view, but don't know how far I would want to walk over those!  Stephen gave you the answer for how to create some drama with the apparent rock size so I won't repeat it.  I also like the increased drama in the sky in his reprocessing although it may not appeal to everyone.  I'm not generally a fan of images taken with fisheye lenses but here it doesn't intrude into the image.

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stephent wrote:

Fixxxer wrote:

We're not so big, after all... Big brother walks on the mountain looking for a good angle. Miles after miles of almost uninhabitated landscape lies in front of us. This peak is called Blästerfjället an the valley on the left is called Örndalen (The Eagle valley). I was hoping for a bit more drama but the rocks were so small I couldn't use them... any suggestions on how I could get the drama?

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Hi mate, me again I loved the drama in the Landscape and the Skyscape, so I had a little play.

A little over the top, but I like it, how about you?

Regards.

Stephen.

Well actually, I did do some work to get that sky to where it was without getting that halo effect around the mountains, original below. I guess I could do more, but I think you went a bit over the top Doesn't look very natural in my eyes.

Anyway - big thanks for your advices and also for taking the time to do a bit of editing on my photo!

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Dennis looks a bit evil in that pose when he is that wet.

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Big brother walks on the mountain looking for a good angle. [...]  ... any suggestions on how I could get the drama?

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Here is one thought related to the composition itself and not the pp work.  The person is a bit hidden because he blends into the far background.  I think it might have been a bit more dramatic if you had picked a view point where you could have silhouetted him against the sky.  He would then stand out as one person alone in the vastness of that stark landscape.

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19andrew47 wrote:

You are right on about the title. I have been pretty busy lately and didn't have anything ready for the thread. Had been out to the beach with our grandson and just arrived home. I usually try to get an image ready a couple of days before but it didn't happen this week and at 10:00 pm I was busy going through some archives looking for a different image when I came upon this one. Had to process it and put it and the thread up while my wife was waiting for me to join her to watch some television. Had already used Face Painting so picked the other title even though it didn't seem right.

Thanks for commenting,

Andrew

Maybe you could call it "Don't poke my eye out with that thing!"  Just a thought

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Hello Lou,

Perhaps I'm stupid or something but I don't get this one... If you wanted the boat to have the movement I think it would look better with a little less so on it. Or not at all on the boat but just the background and water. As it looks now I think it's just too much movement in the photo. The eye can't focus on anything at all and that's quite unsettling... but I very much would like to hear your idea with the photo having it the way it is. It is a bit experimental so maybe I'm just missing the point?

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I think this is better than the one from last week, withe the big cross shape thing cathing your attention immediately.

But like I said last week... it would feel more satisfying to reach a conclusion of what I was looking at after watching it for a few minutes or so... I don't do that with this either. But as an abstract and seen on your technical performance it's very good! Composition could maybe have it slightly more symmetric? But I think it looks good!

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MikePDX wrote:

Fixxxer wrote:

Big brother walks on the mountain looking for a good angle. [...] ... any suggestions on how I could get the drama?

Pentax K100D with Samyang 8mm Fisheye

Here is one thought related to the composition itself and not the pp work. The person is a bit hidden because he blends into the far background. I think it might have been a bit more dramatic if you had picked a view point where you could have silhouetted him against the sky. He would then stand out as one person alone in the vastness of that stark landscape.

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A very good point! Just didn't have the time for that this time as he was moving on quite fast and I more or less just snapped this one without having time to think of composition. Next time I'll have the chance I'll definitely think of that.

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